some titles applied to Jesus Christ

[mee]

Jesus is YHWH

That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah,
You alone are the Most High over all the earth.psalm 83;18 ​

And a voice came out of the cloud, saying: "This is my Son, the one that has been chosen. Listen to him.
luke 9;35



For he(JESUS) received from God the Father honor and glory, when words such as these were borne to him by the magnificent glory: "This is my son, my beloved, whom I myself have approved." 2 peter 1;17




Jesus is not God just as the bible informs us.



but Jesus has recieved rulership, dignity, and kingdomDaniel 7;13-14


and it was the ancient of days (Jehovah) who has GIVEN it to Jesus



And to him(JESUS) there were GIVEN rulership and dignity and kingdom, that the peoples, national groups and languages should all serve even him. His rulership is an indefinitely lasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom one that will not be brought to ruin.
DANIEL 7;14

Saying:] "I, even I, have installed my king
Upon Zion, my holy mountain."PSALM 2;6 ​

And upon his outer garment, even upon his thigh, he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.REVELATION 19;16




so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, PHILLIPIANS 2;10




Yes JESUS has been GIVEN great aurthority matthew 28; 19-20



Jesus, in turn, answered them and said: "What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him that sent me. john 7;16

so who sent Jesus ?, it was JEHOVAH​

Yes, the Father, who sent forth the Son, was the real source of Jesus’ wisdom.



because I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak. JOHN 12;49

JESUS IS NOT GOD, AS THE BIBLE INFORMS US ​

 

[wil]

OK mee you biblical scholar you, you told us Jesus was called Prince of Peace yet haven't provided the King of Peace for us, that one who was without father or mother, who was without beginning or end, the immortal whose order Jesus was a priest of, the one that Abraham gave his tithe to...


Genesis 14:18-20

Heb. 7:1-3

Heb 6:19-20

 

[Saltmeister]

OK mee you biblical scholar you, you told us Jesus was called Prince of Peace yet haven't provided the King of Peace for us, that one who was without father or mother, who was without beginning or end, the immortal whose order Jesus was a priest of, the one that Abraham gave his tithe to...

If I may interject and give my own personal opinion on this . . .

"Prince of Peace" to me, like "Son of God" is an honourific title.

There is no "King of Peace." That title doesn't exist. The name "Prince of Peace" does not pertain to any logical ordering of the cosmic realms, but refers to a heroic being in the cosmic realms who isn't himself supreme but is the highest such being to represent "Peace."

Having said that, there may indeed be a King (ie. God) above the Prince of Peace who is not King of Peace alone.

There'd also be the Prince of Darkness (ie. Lucifer/Satan). But that doesn't mean there's also a King of Darkness.

It is like calling Edward the Black Prince the Prince of Wales. There was never a King of Wales. His King and father was Edward III of England. Edward III's third surviving son was John of Gaunt, duke of Lancaster, Patriarch of the House of Lancaster which would later be the losing side in the Wars of the Roses. His son would overthrow Richard II, grandson of Edward III, son of the Black Prince, Prince of Wales.

So maybe Lucifer would be the duke of Darkness.

So the Prince of Peace and the Prince of Darkness make war with each other in the Wars of the Roses in the cosmic realms. Maybe there's a third prince (ie. the Prince of Tudor), with possibly the first name of Henry . . . That'd be a way of uniting the House with the white rose as an emblem with the one with the red rose.

Then maybe there'd be a Kingmaker (the earl of Warwick) to put the Prince of Peace on the throne.

In the last two paragraphs I was fooling around. If you've read about the Wars of the Roses you'd know what I'm taking about.

"Prince of Peace?" Isn't he referring to that passage in Isaiah about the Wonderful Counselor, Eternal God, Prince of Peace, Mighty God?

 

[mee]

"Prince of Peace?" Isn't he referring to that passage in Isaiah about the Wonderful Counselor, Eternal God, Prince of Peace, Mighty God?

ISAIAH 9;6-7

For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
(Or, "Mighty Divine One." Heb., ’El Gib·bohr´ (not ’El Shad·dai´ as in Ge 17:1, )

Eternal Father,
(Or, "Father Forever." Heb., ’Avi·‛adh´.)

Prince of Peace.
(Or, "Peaceable Prince," that is, a prince giving peace.)

7 To the abundance of the princely rule and to peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David and upon his kingdom in order to establish it firmly and to sustain it by means of justice and by means of righteousness, from now on and to time indefinite. The very zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this.

 

[Bishadi]

If I may interject and give my own personal opinion on this . . .

O-tay

There'd also be the Prince of Darkness (ie. Lucifer/Satan). But that doesn't mean there's also a King of Darkness.

IN what version of bible is the Prince of darkness, lucifer or satan even mentioned?

are you talking about

Isaiah 14:12 (Young's Literal Translation)


12How hast thou fallen from the heavens, O shining one, son of the dawn! Thou hast been cut down to earth, O weakener of nations.

So maybe Lucifer would be the duke of Darkness.

no such thing in the bible

it seems the returning Christ and the 'shinning one' are the same person

there is no lucifer, devil or satan existing in the bible unless ammended and changed by religious sects

kind of funny when actually reading pure translations in comparison to evengelical teachings

see for yourself

BibleGateway.com - KeywordSearch: satan

 

[mee]

OK mee you biblical scholar you, you told us Jesus was called Prince of Peace yet haven't provided the King of Peace for us, that one who was without father or mother, who was without beginning or end, the immortal whose order Jesus was a priest of, the one that Abraham gave his tithe to...


Genesis 14:18-20

Heb. 7:1-3

Heb 6:19-20

Christ Jesus, not of the tribe of Levi, but of Judah and of the line of David, did not inherit his office by descent from Aaron, but obtained it by direct appointment of God, as did Melchizedek.


because he has been specifically called by God a high priest according to the manner of Mel·chiz´e·dek.hebrews 5;10

 

[Saltmeister]

IN what version of bible is the Prince of darkness, lucifer or satan even mentioned?

are you talking about

The titles "Prince of Darkness" and "duke of Darkness" are things I made up for the sake of argument.

it seems the returning Christ and the 'shinning one' are the same person

there is no lucifer, devil or satan existing in the bible unless ammended and changed by religious sects

Lucifer, as far as I know, was a concept introduced by the Catholic church.

Satan, however, is actually mentioned a few times in both the Old and New Testaments as far as I can remember. The Book of Job comes to mind, as well as the incident where Jesus orders him to get behind him and stop trying to take control of Peter. I've heard he's known in Judaism as the shaytan, yet it's not exactly the same concept as Lucifer (ie. in Christianity Satan = Lucifer).

kind of funny when actually reading pure translations in comparison to evengelical teachings

see for yourself

BibleGateway.com - KeywordSearch: satan

no such thing in the bible

As far as my personal experience is concerned, nobody has ever read and understood the Bible without introducing something external to the written tradition into the interpretation process. IMAO, people who claim to exclude everything from the world outside the written text of characters, words and letters don't understand their own thinking process and are deluding themselves!

Why do all ideas about Christianity have to come strictly from the written text of the Bible? Is such a task even possible or achievable? Is it really possible to abstain from all external influences?

IMAO, it isn't possible to understand any piece of literature without external influences and personal life experiences. To do so is to deny the human element in the understanding of written religious tradition, which is absolutely essential. To abstain from all external influences is to remove the human element, without which, written religious tradition is incomprehensible.

Don't deny your own humanity. Feel human again and read Scripture as humanly as possible, using whatever knowledge, personal life experiences and foresight and intuition you possess. Don't be afraid to feel or get emotional. Embrace your humanity. God made you human, so be human when you read Scripture. It doesn't have to be driven by cold logic.

 

[BlaznFattyz]

JESUS IS NOT GOD, AS THE BIBLE INFORMS US

Jesus' title is YHWH, Lord, Saviour, I am, and God the Father calls his Son God in the bible.

 

[Joedjr]

Hi Mee,

Christ Jesus, not of the tribe of Levi, but of Judah and of the line of David, did not inherit his office by descent from Aaron, but obtained it by direct appointment of God, as did Melchizedek.


because he has been specifically called by God a high priest according to the manner of Mel·chiz´e·dek.hebrews 5;10

The bible doesn't have too much information on who Melchizedek was or where he came from or why he is an important biblical figure. Care to add anything here to help clarify on why he is important.
Joe

 

[Dream]

The bible doesn't have too much information on who Melchizedek was or where he came from or why he is an important biblical figure. Care to add anything here to help clarify on why he is important.

That is the thing. He is important to Christians, because no geneology is provided about him. He becomes part of the basic Christian apologetic that quotes Psalm 110:4 "...thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek" which is taken in Hebrews to infer various things about Jesus. Melchizadek is also the archetype of guys named 'Mel'. You might say he was the first Mel.

 

[seattlegal]

O-tay

IN what version of bible is the Prince of darkness, lucifer or satan even mentioned?

are you talking about


no such thing in the bible

it seems the returning Christ and the 'shinning one' are the same person

there is no lucifer, devil or satan existing in the bible unless ammended and changed by religious sects

kind of funny when actually reading pure translations in comparison to evengelical teachings

see for yourself

BibleGateway.com - KeywordSearch: satan

Young's Literal Translation translates Strong's Hebrew 7854 (satan) and Strong's Greek 4567 (Satanas) as Adversary.

 

[Saltmeister]

Melchizadek is also the archetype of guys named 'Mel'. You might say he was the first Mel.

You mean Mel Gibson?

 

[Dream]

You mean Mel Gibson?

Are you making fun of me Salt? Think you're a dangerous dinner? No, not Mel Gibson. You're thinking about MelGibsadeck.

 

[mee]

and God the Father calls his Son God in the bible.

havent seen that one in the bible ,

it is more like what it says in luke 9;35

This is my Son, the one that has been chosen. Listen to him.luke 9;35


While he was yet speaking, look! a bright cloud overshadowed them, and, look! a voice out of the cloud, saying: "This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved; listen to him matthew 17;5


For he received from God the Father honor and glory, when words such as these were borne to him by the magnificent glory: "This is my son, my beloved, whom I myself have approved." 2 peter 1; 17-18

 

[mee]

Hi Mee,

The bible doesn't have too much information on who Melchizedek was or where he came from or why he is an important biblical figure. Care to add anything here to help clarify on why he is important.
Joe

Like Melchizedek, who served as king-priest in Abraham’s day, the coming Seed (Jesus)would have a direct appointment from God to serve as King and Priest
Genesis 14:17-20.


David’s words in psalm 110;1,4 applied directly to the promised Seed, or Messiah. (Acts 2:35, 36)


(Mel·chiz´e·dek) [King of Righteousness].


The fact remains that Melchizedek’s nationality, genealogy, and offspring are left undisclosed in the Scriptures, and that with good reason, for he could thus typify Jesus Christ, who by Jehovah’s sworn oath "has become a high priest according to the manner of Melchizedek forever."—Heb 6:20.

 

[Joedjr]

Hi mee,

Like Melchizedek, who served as king-priest in Abraham’s day, the coming Seed (Jesus)would have a direct appointment from God to serve as King and Priest
Genesis 14:17-20.


David’s words in psalm 110;1,4 applied directly to the promised Seed, or Messiah. (Acts 2:35, 36)


(Mel·chiz´e·dek) [King of Righteousness].


The fact remains that Melchizedek’s nationality, genealogy, and offspring are left undisclosed in the Scriptures, and that with good reason, for he could thus typify Jesus Christ, who by Jehovah’s sworn oath "has become a high priest according to the manner of Melchizedek forever."—Heb 6:20.

Some of the Wiki on Melchizedek. Melchizedek priesthood - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Joe

 

[BlaznFattyz]

havent seen that one in the bible ,

im not surprised. you should try to read it for yourself without a religion whose sole purpose seems bent on denying the deity of jesus christ.[SIZE=-1] read it with an open mind. and then ask yourself who is saviour? who is salvation? who saves you?

Psalms 45:6[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]Hebrews 1:8[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] But [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]about the Son[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] he says, “Your throne, [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]O God[/SIZE][SIZE=-1], will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.

[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]
Isaiah 42:8[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another...

[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]John 17:5[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] [Jesus prayed] And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]the glory I had with you before the world began[/SIZE][SIZE=-1].[/SIZE]

Jesus is YHWH or Jehovah, I am, everlasting, eternal.

[SIZE=-1]And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]God[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] was [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]manifest in the flesh[/SIZE][SIZE=-1], justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Either you honor the Son and honor the Father, or dishonor the Son, thereby you dishonor the Father. [/SIZE]The Father glorifies the Son and calls us to worship Him. In doing so, we glorify the Father who sent Him.

 

[Bishadi]

im not surprised. you should try to read it for yourself without a religion whose sole purpose seems bent on denying the deity of jesus christ.[SIZE=-1] read it with an open mind. and then ask yourself who is saviour? who is salvation? who saves you?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]Psalms 45:6[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]Hebrews 1:8[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] But [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]about the Son[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] he says, “Your throne, [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]O God[/SIZE][SIZE=-1], will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.[/SIZE]


[SIZE=-1]Isaiah 42:8[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another...[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]John 17:5[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] [Jesus prayed] And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]the glory I had with you before the world began[/SIZE][SIZE=-1].[/SIZE]

Jesus is YHWH or Jehovah, I am, everlasting, eternal.

[SIZE=-1]And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]God[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] was [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]manifest in the flesh[/SIZE][SIZE=-1], justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Either you honor the Son and honor the Father, or dishonor the Son, thereby you dishonor the Father. [/SIZE]The Father glorifies the Son and calls us to worship Him. In doing so, we glorify the Father who sent Him.

if i blaz a fatty will i also be as complacent to follow teaching of faith over comprehending the bibles pure message?

How about reading what Jesus had said.

15`If ye love me, my commands keep,


16and I will ask the Father, and another Comforter He will give to you, that he may remain with you -- to the age;

17the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it doth not behold him, nor know him, and ye know him, because he doth remain with you, and shall be in you.

as quoted from Jesus, he is suggesting 'if you Love me follow the rules"

18And Jesus said to him, `Why me dost thou call good? no one [is] good except One -- God;

19the commands thou hast known: Thou mayest not commit adultery, Thou mayest do no murder, Thou mayest not steal, Thou mayest not bear false witness, Thou mayest not defraud, Honour thy father and mother.'

just as He stated ..... the injil and ALL six rules

Kind of neat to see in the bible that Jesus himself shared that ANOTHER is to come

16and I will ask the Father, and another Comforter He will give to you, that he may remain with you -- to the age;

How many actually are aware of what is true over what is believed?

Meaning we all know, not a human alive can come back, after being dead 2000 years but the idea that Jesus stated makes far more sense than what preachers teach.

and then to see the words as quoted to be from Jesus himself, you would think the people who share they LOVE Jesus would listen to Jesus over the inclusions and corruptions of religious order, practive and deceptions.

perhaps all of mankind should just smoke up, blazing a fatty, fibbing and decieving each day like many do right now and simply do not care for anything other than themselves


so like the differences of all faiths and beliefs, none will combine as long as fibbing is accepted just to remain accepted within a belief system

It is why the 'truth will set you free'!

 

[BlaznFattyz]

It is why the 'truth will set you free'!

Jesus is the Truth

 

[mee]

Jesus is YHWH or Jehovah, I am, everlasting, eternal.

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not a bible teaching stick to the bible and you will not be going in the wrong direction.