some titles applied to Jesus Christ

[Bishadi]

Jesus is the Truth

Was that recognizing what Jesus' is teaching or what religious ideals teach?

Meaning; Jesus said HE was not GOOD, only ONE is, God.

He also shared the laws of God which do not show homage to religious appeal, to such extent HE did not apply to religion but to God.

As well, HE said HE is not returning but that another is, to live to the age, with the light of truth to give.

Is this the same Jesus or are you talking about the Hesus of the nicene council?

Meaning; Jesus said these things above and are found quoted in the bible but do in fact conflict with what men voted in to become the belief structure of a religion.

So can we ask, do you Love Jesus or do you follow the teachings of beliefs?

Remember Jesus himself said 15`If ye love me, my commands keep

and also said ... 19the commands thou hast known:...........Thou mayest not bear false witness,

which will affect............Thou mayest not defraud,

as what it also does is ......... dis- Honour thy father and mother.'

 

[Dream]

The entire background of this conversation has a surreal assumption that Jesus only just began to reign in 1914 from heaven. I think it is an allegiance test (similar to the trinity allegiance test). They might as well require us to agree that 'Go directly to jail', is the same card as 'advance token to Go'. If I accept their subservience shibboleth, then I prove my allegience. For this my soul, someone will love me and make me feel at home in their JW 'family'. I wish they would start breaking such chains instead of forging them. Let the people come and go without requiring them to be emotionally inhibited, because it also inhibits clear thinking. 'Keeping the sheep in' like this cannot have an overall positive affect upon the world. Instead, this is removing thought from the world.

 

[Bishadi]

The entire background of this conversation has a surreal assumption that Jesus only just began to reign in 1914 from heaven. I think it is an allegiance test (similar to the trinity allegiance test). They might as well require us to agree that 'Go directly to jail', is the same card as 'advance token to Go'. If I accept their subservience shibboleth, then I prove my allegience. For this my soul, someone will love me and make me feel at home in their JW 'family'. I wish they would start breaking such chains instead of forging them. Let the people come and go without requiring them to be emotionally inhibited, because it also inhibits clear thinking. 'Keeping the sheep in' like this cannot have an overall positive affect upon the world. Instead, this is removing thought from the world.

wow! Not real certain of your first sentence above but the rest is beautiful. That was a tear bringing post.

as it seems you like the rest on this globe just want a chance to know the truth and evolve to experience life

it is coming have faith in that one fact; the truth will set mankind free

 

[BlaznFattyz]

Meaning; Jesus said HE was not GOOD, only ONE is, God.

No one said that, you are misinterpreting the lesson and adding words to it that are not there. First Jesus is God manifested in the flesh to die for our sins and be saviour. There is no other saviour but God, and Jesus is Salvation. we reconcile this because Jesus is God. Jesus went about doing good, his Father's work, because he could do nothing else, a mirror image of what is in heaven, that was Jesus, God among us. Jesus would never say he is good, or he is God in a way to glory himself, that was not his purpose. However, if anyone glorified Him it was always the Father, and he did it in many ways, such as his birth, his baptism, and his resurrection. Because Jesus is God manifested in the flesh, and the saviour of the world, he came to save others, be a shining light and forgive people their sins if they repented. So because he healed the physical as well as the spiritual, he went about doing good as scripture states. his actions were that of God himself, but not to glorify himself as a person, but to glorify God in heaven. He was born humble, and died humble, and for this reasons the Father exhalts him to the highest, back to the glory He had with the Father in the beginning.

Now this man asking a teacher, is throwing around compliments, "good teacher", to gain favor by flattering, and to gain the acceptance of man as one looks inward to oneself as being able to be righteous and save oneself. But man cannot do this on his own, Christ was not talking of himself as He is the Son of God, he was talking about the sinful man. However, as a man these are the things one must give away if one even thought to live a righteous life, which is give aways all possessions to the poor and needy. This is why Christ never had a place to rest his head, and this is why he told the disciples that were to follow him to leave their family and possessions and just have faith and go with him. Jesus knew the heart of this man, as only God knows the heart of man, and let him answer his own question, and the answer was we fail. however, in other stories, we find those that had faith in Christ, that believed his words, and that he could heal them, their illnesses and even their souls, some believe that He not even be present. It wasnt that they thought they could do good, but put all their hope and faith in Christ alone and were given mercy and grace and love--the goodness of God.

 

[Dream]

Title: Prince of Peace

John 8:57-59 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Isn't John making the point that we shouldn't be quick to throw stones (or to exclude)? "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone." Excluding from fellowship is just another way of stoning. The moment we read that stones were lifted is the moment we should determine not to throw stones based upon how people take Jesus' meaning. The same John who writes this also writes "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."(I John 1:7-10)

John is clearly talking about fellowship and specifically about not claiming to be perfect in what we say! What worse way to claim we have no sin then to require a shibboleth of other Christians? The shibboleth test is part of civil war, in which each side seeks a way to discern the other(Jud12:6), making something small into a life or death issue. Unless they can say our 'Shibboleth' correctly, they die. The sword will always be a plague upon the House of David.(2Sam12:10), so when someone sits on it you will hear (figuratively speaking) the challenge "Say Shibboleth!" But the Prince of Peace ends the plague, because War cannot stand before the Prince of Peace. If you believe that Jesus is the Prince of Peace, then stop issuing the shibboleth challenge. It is shameful. Don't say "Say Shibboleth!" Don't say "Say Jesus preexisted!" Don't say "Say no, Jesus didn't prexist!" or "If you say it the 'right' way, then you may cross over, otherwise I will have to kill you. Sorry brother."

 

[Bishadi]

No one said that, you are misinterpreting the lesson and adding words to it that are not there.

are you calling the bible a liar



17And as he is going forth into the way, one having run and having kneeled to him, was questioning him, `Good teacher, what may I do, that life age-during I may inherit?'

18And Jesus said to him, `Why me dost thou call good? no one [is] good except One -- God;

even in KJV Mark 10:17 black and white

18And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.


basically Jesus himself stating Why are you calling me Good? There is none Good, but ONE and that is............GOD.... not He himself as Jesus, nor did God stand up over his should and tell the whole of mankind, HE dudes, He's my kid... go ahead and stick him to a cross but believe what every body writes about what i meant and what he said because then i will come and destroy the magnitude of mankind, but you can't know when and remain nervous but follow everything a preachers tells you, if they use either Jesus or my name.

the majority of your post is add-lip so i thought perhaps it was normal to keep up with the blazingfatty ..........dude

but i did see one beauty

Jesus would never say he is good, or he is God in a way to glory himself, that was not his purpose

and since most all God fearing folk know God don't talk to mankind but is said to send messenger/prophets/angels etc etc ... (actually HE is entangled to us all)

but the idea that God sends Jesus but still talks to other people, (as the bible states), is funny.......... remember much of the bible is written in a third position as to read like a story book with a narating to suggest what people 'could be' thinking and what God is saying. It's a book to guide not consider literal.

but then again if you be a good reader or even watch TV note that even when Alanis Morset played God (Dogma), none living could handle to hear God speak...

beep!

 

[BlaznFattyz]

are you calling the bible a liar

No, im saying you do not know what you are saying and are misunderstanding the scenario in light of the rest of scripture. If you understood scripture you would not dishonor God by dishonoring his Son and making him less than what the prophets and the Father have proclaimed, that he is God. [SIZE=-1]Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: who, [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]being in very nature God[/SIZE][SIZE=-1], did not consider equality with God something to be grasped[/SIZE][SIZE=-1].[/SIZE]

 

[Bishadi]

No, im saying you do not know what you are saying and are misunderstanding the scenario in light of the rest of scripture.

perhaps you wish to discuss and include the whole chapter or is it possible that the burden is on YOUR interpretation versus what the BIBLE itself stated in black and white. (don't care what version of bible)

Point being perhaps you would like to review the whole chapter and try again as it seems nothing i implied or represent adds or deletes any of the beautiful gifts from Jesus but removes the idea that Jesus thought, suggested or implied HE was GOD as the Nicene Council created.

Meaning the words are clear and not within a parable. As shared being quoted of Jesus and in clear rendition.

Perhaps you may wish to read a little more bible rather than believe your religious teacher(s). Basically, read what is true not what you want to be true.

If you understood scripture you would not dishonor God by dishonoring his Son and making him less than what the prophets and the Father have proclaimed, that he is God.

God never said Jesus was God or equal to God, or any more a son/child of God than you or I, by blood, by life, of GOD's Love and within all of his Creation/existence.

[SIZE=-1]Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: who, [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]being in very nature God[/SIZE][SIZE=-1], did not consider equality with God something to be grasped[/SIZE][SIZE=-1].[/SIZE]

Hey, i am with you. Jesus knew HE was not and stated so but you and your belief system 'created' a God with Jesus.

But let's move forward; if God is talking to man and revealing to man what He is, can you define this for us with all your understanding?

Genesis 3

22And Jehovah God saith, `Lo, the man was as one of Us, as to the knowledge of good and evil; and now, lest he send forth his hand, and have taken also of the tree of life, and eaten, and lived to the age,'

or in KJV

22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever

Man capable to know Good and Evil? and live for ever.....? (in what we do)

Perhaps you need another fatty to blaz before answering?

Or let me guess, the bible contradicts your preaching and it is my fault for not ??????


So from Jesus; He is not God

And from God; man is capable of understanding and living forever.

Seems like the bible when understood is a great teacher of truth. To bad that men/women corrupt what knowledge, understanding and the gifts left for us all by God, Jesus and the contributers who had given of their life towards the EVOLUTION OF KNOWLEDGE!

Don't worry BF, the full 'revealing' is on the way.

And the pure of heart, truth and compassion for others over the self, will find themselve in that collective book of truth; the Book of Life!

not the liars of beliefs

so check yourself before doubting the truth because to mislead or false witness, you are deceiving other, yourself and GOD, for the single purpose of being accepted amoung men.

 

[Saltmeister]

Are you making fun of me Salt? No, not Mel Gibson. You're thinking about MelGibsadeck.

That was supposed to be a joke. Yeah I know about how Melchizedek was mentioned somewhere in the NT by Paul. It's been a while since I've read it . . .

Think you're a dangerous dinner?

I had a dream . . . about the Naughty Easter Bunny.

Another joke.

I guess it doesn't work as well now that you've changed your avatar.

Next time I'm going to have to be faster than that.
Naughty Shape-Shifting Easter Bunny.

 

[mee]

CHRIST....... This title from the Greek Khri·stos´ is equivalent to the Hebrew Ma·shi´ach, "Messiah; Anointed One."


it is an official title



Long before Jesus was born, the Bible foretold the coming of the one whom God would send as the Messiah, or Christ.

The titles "Messiah" (from a Hebrew word) and "Christ" (from a Greek word) both mean "Anointed One." This promised One would be anointed, that is, appointed by God to a special position.


In the first century C.E., the disciples of Jesus of Nazareth were fully convinced that he was the foretold Messiah. (John 1:41) One of the disciples, a man named Simon Peter, openly said to Jesus: "You are the Christ." (Matthew 16:16)

Further proof that Jesus was the Messiah became clear near the end of 29 C.E.

That is the year when Jesus went to John the Baptizer to be baptized in the Jordan River.

Jehovah had promised John a sign so that he could identify the Messiah.

John saw that sign at Jesus’ baptism.

The Bible says that this is what happened: "After being baptized Jesus immediately came up from the water; and, look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw descending like a dove God’s spirit coming upon him. Look! Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said:

‘This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.’" (Matthew 3:16, 17)

After seeing and hearing what happened, John had no doubt that Jesus was sent by God. (John 1:32-34)


At the moment when God’s spirit, or active force, was poured out upon him that day, Jesus became the Messiah, or Christ, the one appointed to be Leader and King.
Isaiah 55:4.