Must a Christian always "play nicely" with others?

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This comes from one of the other threads, on which the idea was raised that certain Biblical views that are unpopular due to their political-incorrectness are subject to censorship on web post forums, while other moderate, apologetic, sugar-coated beliefs are promoted over them.

Here's my question: Must Christians keep any Biblically-inspired yet politically-incorrect beliefs that they might have to themselves for the sake of "playing nicely" with others, or may/should Christians speak their minds freely on issues of faith, even if it means offending people with whom our beliefs clash?


Is watered-down faith any faith at all? Does the truth not set people free, and thus by hiding that truth or by sugar-coating it, are we being faithful?

At the same time, since nobody wants to be offended are we loving others when we say things that we know come across as offending, even if we truly believe them?
 
Personally? Everyone here knows what I believe because Im pretty blunt that Jesus is the only way to heaven.If you reject him and die you will not go to heaven. Im also pretty blunt in saying that the act of homosexuality is a sin.. I have just recently told a mulsim that the allah of the q'uran is not Jehovah of the bible. I do not think that the belief is moderated but how you go about presenting it to others and how you treat others.
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Marsh said:
This comes from one of the other threads, on which the idea was raised that certain Biblical views that are unpopular due to their political-incorrectness are subject to censorship on web post forums, while other moderate, apologetic, sugar-coated beliefs are promoted over them.

Here's my question: Must Christians keep any Biblically-inspired yet politically-incorrect beliefs that they might have to themselves for the sake of "playing nicely" with others, or may/should Christians speak their minds freely on issues of faith, even if it means offending people with whom our beliefs clash?


Is watered-down faith any faith at all? Does the truth not set people free, and thus by hiding that truth or by sugar-coating it, are we being faithful?

At the same time, since nobody wants to be offended are we loving others when we say things that we know come across as offending, even if we truly believe them?
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Which biblical views are unpopular? stoning adulterers? not eating pork? circumcision? slavery?


Faithfulservant said:
Personally? Everyone here knows what I believe because Im pretty blunt that Jesus is the only way to heaven.If you reject him and die you will not go to heaven. Im also pretty blunt in saying that the act of homosexuality is a sin.. I have just recently told a mulsim that the allah of the q'uran is not Jehovah of the bible. I do not think that the belief is moderated but how you go about presenting it to others and how you treat others.​
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Namaste FS,

Please state all the chapter and verse that indicate homosexuality is a sin and then tell me that you also agree with the ten lines before and the ten lines after.

And I still don't know how you believe there is more than one G!D.

Lastly I don't believe in watering down beliefs, thou shall not adulterate, it is a commandment.

This is me not not sugar coating my Christian understandings, playing nicely.
 
I think all people, and not just Christians, should "play nicely" with others. The Japanese know that politeness and etiquette is never fake, despite what others might say or project. I used to be that way and it was quite natural for me. But...

I've met some pretty insidious and underhandedly rancorous Christians. Maybe they weren't really Christians... But they considered themselves Christians. Oh, well. Maybe they're still learning. Either way, my guard has been up in a way that it wouldn't otherwise be ever since-- for double entendres and the like. I can't think or interact with people the same. I've been penetrated. I miss the enthusiastic and trusting outlook I had on life before then. I suspect jealousy and the penis envy Nietzsche talks about. WTF do you people think you're doing? You know who you are.
 
didnt Jesus say that we would be persecuted for our beliefs. they crucified Christ so what do you think they will do to us ?

some people are offended by the truth but that doesn't mean we should not speak it assuming of course we know what it is.

and remember Jesus kicked ass in temple, so yes I think sometimes it good for Christian to kick some ass !
 
GlorytoGod said:
and remember Jesus kicked ass in temple, so yes I think sometimes it good for Christian to kick some ass !
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there seems so much missing from that little episode. He must have had the multitude around him...think about it money changers, vendors, these would be connected folks, paid their right for a space on the grounds, odds are highly contested real estate, backed by the powers that be religious and secular... let's say someone walks in and knocks out the numbers racket or an underground gambling parlor in some city today... they'd better be armed to the teeth and have the will of the people behind them and be ready for reprisal...

So could this have been the event that started things in motion that lead to the cross? And surely he didn't go in there and do this alone with no backup. Now in the past I've had mentions, well he was Jesus, he could do anything...well this is quite the miracle...seems they'd tell us more about what happened. Say you are selling hot dogs or have your little ice cream cart downtown and someone knocks it over...it is your livelihood, no response?
 
I think Jesus in the temple displays how anger can be released sternly, gently and with conviction out in the open. This is playing nicely though. There is no excuse to stab someone in the back using sly and deceptive methods and then justify it through God.
 
Alex P said:
I can't recall jesus, ever, kicking ass lol...... He sure got his ass kicked alot, but I don't remember him dishing it out.
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John 2:13-16
13 The Jewish Passover (M) was near, so Jesus went up to Jerusalem. (N) 14 In the temple complex (O) He found people selling oxen, sheep, and doves, and [He also found] the money changers sitting there. 15 After making a whip out of cords, (P) He drove everyone out of the temple complex with their sheep (Q) and oxen. He also poured out the money changers' coins and overturned the tables. 16 He told those who were selling doves, "Get these things out of here! Stop turning My Father's (R) house (S) into a marketplace!" (T) [f]​
He even made and used a weapon. :eek:
 
wil said:
Which biblical views are unpopular? stoning adulterers? not eating pork? circumcision? slavery?
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The unpopular views that I meant are the ones that are, at least in Canada, considered politically incorrect or culturally insensitive. You're not allowed to say that homosexuality is wrong, because that hurts the feelings of homosexual people. You're not allowed to say that abortion is wrong, because that limits a woman's freedom of choice. You're not allowed to say that believing in Jesus is the only way to heaven, because other people have freedom of religion. That sort of thing is what I meant; things that you are liable to offend non-Christians with (or other Christians, I suppose).

Don't let me limit your scope of thought, though. I'm sure you'll find one or two people out there who still enjoy a good old fashioned adulterer-stoning. ;)
 
seattlegal said:
After making a whip out of cords, (P) He drove everyone out of the temple complex with their sheep (Q) and oxen. He also poured out the money changers' coins and overturned the tables. 16 He told those who were selling doves, "Get these things out of here! Stop turning My Father's (R) house (S) into a marketplace!" (T) [f]
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He even made and used a weapon. :eek:
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Exactly, had to be an army behind him...
Marsh said:
The unpopular views that I meant are the ones that are, at least in Canada, considered politically incorrect or culturally insensitive. You're not allowed to say that homosexuality is wrong, because that hurts the feelings of homosexual people. You're not allowed to say that abortion is wrong, because that limits a woman's freedom of choice. You're not allowed to say that believing in Jesus is the only way to heaven, because other people have freedom of religion. That sort of thing is what I meant; things that you are liable to offend non-Christians with (or other Christians, I suppose).

Don't let me limit your scope of thought, though. I'm sure you'll find one or two people out there who still enjoy a good old fashioned adulterer-stoning. ;)
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Namaste Marsh,

I've got the same challenge, pick the passages that you hold your hat on on abortion and homosexuality and read the lines above and below and see if you want to read and enforce all those today too.

It isn't whether folks enjoy an adulterer stoning, the question is if you feel that abortionists or homosexuals should be adminsitered punishment according to biblical interpretation...how many adulterers, etc. would be driven/stoned out of the church?

It appears we all pick and choose.
 
Im not willing to rehash this a million times over but here we go.........

Sex outside of marriage (biblical marriage) is a sin... two men and two women cannot get married under God so therefore the ACT of homosexuality is a SIN so IS ANY SEX outside of WEDLOCK.. ONE MAN ONE WOMAN...

there we go...

A sin is a sin is a sin is a sin

but people get really mad when you tell them they cant do whatever they want without accountability before God and having to repent and say they were wrong..

Pride goeth before the fall ..
 
wil said:
It isn't whether folks enjoy an adulterer stoning, the question is if you feel that abortionists or homosexuals should be adminsitered punishment according to biblical interpretation...how many adulterers, etc. would be driven/stoned out of the church?
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Based on Jesus' treatment of the woman caught in the act of adultery: none.
 
lol jesus threw a tantrum fit? lol.... Wow... Thanks for the information SG.

FS... People get mad, because when someone tells them what to do it p**** them off... That I can fully understand... It would p me off too. I find it interesting how some people don't get that....

And the free will thing still baffles me.... You get two gifts... Life.... and you get free will, but you get punished for freedom lol nonsense.
 
Marsh said:
Based on Jesus' treatment of the woman caught in the act of adultery: none.
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FS said:
Im not willing to rehash this a million times over but here we go.........
A sin is a sin is a sin is a sin
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ah yes, there you go! And I'll rehash too, it is such fun. Lets follow our elder brother and wayshower and extend that same treatment for those homosexuals and who choose differently than you. Love your neighbor and ye without sin cast the first stone.

Always entertaining how we pick and choose which sins to raise up the flag pole and which to ignore.

that whole judgement thing is so interesting isn't it.
 
and its all interesting that its twisted around that I am condemning the sinner... I personally try to emulate my Lord and love the sinner and hate the sin. THAT is biblical.

You might try doing a word study in the greek on judging by the way.. The greek is such a rich language and ours doesnt compare.

there is judging to condem and judging to identify...

I AM allowed to inspect fruit and not be hateful in the process.

Once again...

The ACT of homosexuality is a SIN the Homosexual is a wounded person that needs Jesus Christ because he/she is a sinner...

Im a wounded person that needs Jesus Christ because Im a sinner...

YOU need Jesus Christ because YOU are a sinner.

Got it? I dont think I can put it anymore plainly... Ive pretty much said the exact same thing a million different ways.
 
Faithfulservant said:
and its all interesting that its twisted around that I am condemning the sinner... I personally try to emulate my Lord and love the sinner and hate the sin.
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? That wasn't in reply to my post was it?

I wasn't twisting nothing just stating,(from the "indentified sinner's" pov) which I feel is obvious, that they will be irritated and and become defensive/aggressive when a helpful person lets them know their actions are accountable to your god.
 
Faithfulservant said:
and its all interesting that its twisted around that I am condemning the sinner... I personally try to emulate my Lord and love the sinner and hate the sin. THAT is biblical.

You might try doing a word study in the greek on judging by the way.. The greek is such a rich language and ours doesnt compare.

there is judging to condem and judging to identify...

I AM allowed to inspect fruit and not be hateful in the process.

Once again...

The ACT of homosexuality is a SIN the Homosexual is a wounded person that needs Jesus Christ because he/she is a sinner...

Im a wounded person that needs Jesus Christ because Im a sinner...

YOU need Jesus Christ because YOU are a sinner.

Got it? I dont think I can put it anymore plainly... Ive pretty much said the exact same thing a million different ways.
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nice post Faithful :)
 
Alex P said:
? That wasn't in reply to my post was it?

I wasn't twisting nothing just stating,(from the "indentified sinner's" pov) which I feel is obvious, that they will be irritated and and become defensive/aggressive when a helpful person lets them know their actions are accountable to your god.
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I dont think it is a case of telling others that they will be accountable to God , it is a christians job to direct others to the bible , and then the person puts their own life in order.... if they want to:)......2 tim 3;16-17 its the bible itself that reproves us
 
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