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^^ I already offended the Xtians and the Muslims... i guess i figured what the hell? make it a hat-trick

He shoots, HE SCORES!!!! And that is his third of the night folks, this kid is on fire!!! Cinderella story!!
 
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Moses (pbuh) was ordered to do the same. (And he wasn't even condemned to death).

I'm not sure what episode you mean here. Can you give me a reference?

Well, to be fair, wasn't he betrayed by one of them?? (bad apples, I know)

Yeah, but that threat was gone when Judas noosed himself. As far as the rest of the disciples, Jesus knew from human nature that they would scatter.

But the documentary is making the case that the idea of "resurrection" in the supernatural sense, came about later.

I don't know about that. Daniel mentions the resurrection, as does Ezekiel. so it wasn't a foreign concept to 1st century Jewish thought. In fact, the Sadducees were notorious in their adament claim that there wasn't a resurrection, which distinguished themselves from among the other Jewish sects that did.

In the second place, I question the very late dates of when they assume the gospels were written.

So he could get crucified again? doesn't seem like a good idea dude. Besides, if he did leave, it must have been due to a divine command anyway..

Assuming Jesus did leave, surely He would have heard wind of the disciples claim that He rose again and return to quash it. Or at least have reach the Apostle Thomas, who is traditionally said to have gone to witness Christ to India.

Well, firstly, I am pretty sure St Paul, was not a diciple of Jesus PBUH. Secondly, if this alternative version of history is correct, then his actual disciples would not have believed in his ascension. AFAIK, no text has ever been traced back directly to any of the disciples.

See above.

Whether Paul was or wasn't, the fact is that his letters, which are dated circa 50+ A.D. were before the gospels and early enough that people still living from Jesus' time had read them.


Another problem with mainstream interpretations. The Quran clearly says that ascension of the Prophet was a vision, but most Muslims still think it was a literal ascension.

So Muhummed died like everyone else?
 
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lol

I've seen a documentary like this on the history channel going back some years ago, it even covered Christianity's connections with Buddhism.


I was going to reply to your post before you changed it about the "wound marks" indicated of the wood carvings of what is reportedly supposed to be Jesus' feet. It lead me to another thought. How could Jesus traveled to India if His feet were gashed by a crucifixion nail? Seems to me that would hinder any long distance traveling.
 
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Unless of course he was traveling by donkey, horse or camel. Which would have been the common mode of transport back then. The nail wounds would have recovered, Philippines practice self crucifixion, I wonder to what extent they recover from it.
 
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I was going to reply to your post before you changed it about the "wound marks" indicated of the wood carvings of what is reportedly supposed to be Jesus' feet. It lead me to another thought. How could Jesus traveled to India if His feet were gashed by a crucifixion nail? Seems to me that would hinder any long distance traveling.

Mate... He was jesus? He could fire fricken laser beams from his eyes if he wanted to! Or just teleport to india! Couple baddies on his feet ain't gonna stop him.
 
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Mate... He was jesus? He could fire fricken laser beams from his eyes if he wanted to! Or just teleport to india! Couple baddies on his feet ain't gonna stop him.

fricken laser beams :D:D ..... you mean like the one this guy had

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I'm enjoying this thread oh-too-immensely. I love it when graphics become part of responses. :)
 
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I'm not sure what episode you mean here. Can you give me a reference?

Numbers 20:12, Moses (pbuh) was not allowed to lead his people beyond the river Jordan.

Whether Paul was or wasn't, the fact is that his letters, which are dated circa 50+ A.D. were before the gospels and early enough that people still living from Jesus' time had read them.
But that doesn't prove what the diciples believed. The epistles just prove what St Paul believed. The Quran also says that the doctrine of divinity of Christ was introduced after Jesus PBUH was no longer among the people.

Assuming Jesus did leave, surely He would have heard wind of the disciples claim that He rose again and return to quash it.
Again, you are assuming that the diciples were the ones preaching about a supernatural ressurection. But we don't know that for certain.

I don't know about that. Daniel mentions the resurrection, as does Ezekiel. so it wasn't a foreign concept to 1st century Jewish thought. In fact, the Sadducees were notorious in their adament claim that there wasn't a resurrection, which distinguished themselves from among the other Jewish sects that did.

In the second place, I question the very late dates of when they assume the gospels were written.
I am sure there are competing interpretations of those "resurrections" as well. I have heard a metaphorical interpretations of Ezekiel and Daniel's "visions". But that is besides the point anyway, because however early the dates of the written gospels, no historical account actually places them under the authorship of the actual disciples of Jesus (pbuh).

Also, it wouldnt make much sense for him to return anyway, he was a wanted man, remember? Why would he go back? And lastly, as I said, he would have been acting under divine commandments. Whether or not he would go back would be up to God, not him.

Yeah, but that threat was gone when Judas noosed himself. As far as the rest of the disciples, Jesus knew from human nature that they would scatter.
Yea, I was just saying, in fairness, he did get stabbed (in the back) by someone among his own people.


So Muhummed died like everyone else?
I thought you were talking about his ascension (the "miraj" or the "night journey"??) But yea, he did die like everyone else. His grave is in Medinah.
 
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Lots of people were crucified. It was a choice execution method of the day.

And wasn't he called Yeshua back then? I don't think he was the only person with his name.

yes but to find a body in kashmir [where the romans didn't penetrate and did the locals crucify? doubt it] with all the hallmarks of a crucifixion would be quite a find. perhaps disrespectful but the police here don't think twice about exhuming in murder enquiries etc. l've always thought graves are such a dead waste of space.
 
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l've always thought graves are such a dead waste of space.





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^^ Statistical representation of points scored by above post.
 
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Unless of course he was traveling by donkey, horse or camel. Which would have been the common mode of transport back then. The nail wounds would have recovered, Philippines practice self crucifixion, I wonder to what extent they recover from it.
This is in the documentary it appears they only nail the hands and they stand on a platform on the cross. They also bind thier arms to the cross to relieve stress on the nail point. One could see how reanacting the whole crucifiction...being suspended by three nailpoints would be quite another event.
 
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slaam


Perhaps the Antichrist
 
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