Autism and Vaccines

I have always vaccinated my kids.
My children didnt suffer any side affects, adn 2 out of 3 of them are grown up healthy young men.
Recently a young couple (on the news) lost their infant beacuse she was too young to be fully vaccinated.
They were unaware that the community that they recently moved to, (once they found out they were haveing a baby) were largely "against " vaccines. So, as a result of their ignorance, and the communities "natural" approach, they had to bury their baby.

p.s. They moved out of the city to the country for the fresh air and to raise their child in a small country town environment.
 
greymare said:
I have always vaccinated my kids.
My children didnt suffer any side affects, adn 2 out of 3 of them are grown up healthy young men.
Recently a young couple (on the news) lost their infant beacuse she was too young to be fully vaccinated.
They were unaware that the community that they recently moved to, (once they found out they were haveing a baby) were largely "against " vaccines. So, as a result of their ignorance, and the communities "natural" approach, they had to bury their baby.

p.s. They moved out of the city to the country for the fresh air and to raise their child in a small country town environment.
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tragic; l certainly had to go along with the 3 in 1 mmr ones once they were older, and the ones they got at school but was sceptical nevertheless. but sticking a syringe in a new born baby unless absolutely necesssary seems to me a hell of a 'hello'! into the world after a very physical journey 'out'.

l'm a great believer in breast milk, for as long as possible, at least 6 months, for immunity.
 
Things like virus's are in ways a good thing as they thin the herd, culling the weak and the sickly, thus insuring that the surviving gene pool is strong.

With vaccine's, if they would make them better and not use Thimerosol (mercury based preservative) then they would be more beneficial.
 
Its is close to unbelievable that the drug companies did not do any testing into the effects of mercury. To me it seems so often that the drug companies are deliberately causing conditions. Which is why I argue that drug development and production should be in all cases a state supported industry and not one with the primary focus of profit. It is no accident that the class of drugs that the drug companies have peddled to other segments of society without clinical evidence for their efficacy, Seratonin reuptake inhibitors are the drug of choice for the most common form of Autism, Aspergers syndrome.
 
mercury amalgum used for filling cavities in the US is a controlled toxic substance when shipped to the dentist. Excess product or waste or old fillings removed from your teeth are hazardous waste and must be treated as such.

The only time mercury amalgum is safe is when it is in your teeth.

Now that is science.

And you folks are worried about those wacky creationists...
 
this "indigo children" thing is a crock of sheet... I hate this theory with a passion!

ooh, my kids are not thick, or badly behaved or odd because mommy and daddy are odd, my kids are not little horrors who need a good thrashing...

not my kids- they're extra special!

there's nothing wrong with them! No! There's nothing wrong with me, either! No! it's a special new race of kids, a golden age of children who will usher in the new world consciousness...

sheet I tell you, its sheet...

as for autism and vaccines...

I would not give my children a toxic mix of antigens... when they did it to soldiers and the soldiers got sick, yes, they denied it for years, but eventually now most National forces recognise the condition called... Gulf war syndrome...

so, you do it to adults and they get sick, it naturally follows that if you do the same to children they will potentially get sick too...

that said, immunisation of children is a good idea- polio, for example, is now almost unheard of- we should eradicate such diseases, if we can- I just think the logic of giving kids so many modified viruses in a short space of time is a bad idea...

I will vaccinate my kids, but not like that...
 
Francis king said:
that said, immunisation of children is a good idea- polio, for example, is now almost unheard of- we should eradicate such diseases, if we can- I just think the logic of giving kids so many modified viruses in a short space of time is a bad idea...

I will vaccinate my kids, but not like that...
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I don't know about other countries but here in the US when you vaccinate for DPT (diptheria, polio, typhoid/tuberculosis?? something like that I think) or any other vaccine, you have to sign a waiver that says your child may get sick, permanently injured or die, and you will not sue the doctor, the vaccine maker, the gov't or anyone in the chain that says you gotta get it....scary as a parent.

When my kids were about 6 I read a book by a pediatrician on all the vaccine autism links... and how polios erradication wasn't really such, it just polio ran its course as a disease, how they come and go, proliferate and disappear. Also he ran parrallels on spinal menangitis, something nonexistant almost before the vaccine but suddenly everywhere afterwords and how the definitions of both polio and sp-men changed after the vaccine so cases that would have been called polio prior were now sp-men...which made their stats soooo much better.

As to the autism in the book it described the strange way it came into being...orignally almost all the kids that got it were either children of college educated well to do parents or welfare children. They couldn't understand why this was, and it wasn't until vaccines were mandated prior to going to school for all children that the disease (autism) was equally spread thru society.

Well they got their answer when they reviewed the stats...prior to the law requiring it, the only people that got it were those on welfare who got it free, and those with money and education who had the means and were well read on how to provide the 'best' care for their kids.

It was quite an enlightening little book...hadn't heard much again in mainstream circles until this Kennedy clip.
 
let's see the independent peer-reviewed double-blind study research before we start agreeing damfool conspiracy theories without a shred of credibility to their names. what, as you americans say, a "crock".

and that, incidentally, is not just my opinion, but the opinion of a dear friend of mine who also happens to be a consultant paediatrician who specialises in autism.

DO NOT BELIEVE THESE SELF-PROMOTING WINGNUTS.

b'shalom

bananabrain
 
Yah, and my dentist keeps trying to assure me that mercury amalgam fillings are perfectly safe.
Riiight:rolleyes:
 
bananabrain said:
let's see the independent peer-reviewed double-blind study research before we start agreeing damfool conspiracy theories without a shred of credibility to their names. what, as you americans say, a "crock".

and that, incidentally, is not just my opinion, but the opinion of a dear friend of mine who also happens to be a consultant paediatrician who specialises in autism.

DO NOT BELIEVE THESE SELF-PROMOTING WINGNUTS.

b'shalom

bananabrain
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shawn said:
Yah, and my dentist keeps trying to assure me that mercury amalgam fillings are perfectly safe.
Riiight:rolleyes:
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Sorry Banana... I'm with caution on this one... an expert in autism is an expert in what exactly? If its not mercury poisoning? Therm sho called exshpurts have no alternative explanation.
 
That is a refreshing point. I am not sure what to think. There are a lot of self-promoters out there, and they make a lot of money by it. The mercury makes me nervous, yet I need the vaccines and fillings. Would you believe I once found a do-it-yourself tooth-cavity filling kit at Wal-mart? No lie. Honestly it is hard for me to know right from left on this one, but it looks like this could be a case of self promotion. In the event someone eats Cadmium out of a battery or some other heavy metal, a hospital immediately applies EDTA chelation. EDTA is a chemical cage that can swallow heavy metals to dissolve them into the bloodstream so they may be excreted or filtered. Heavy metals are not normally soluble, so they may remain in the body for a long time. EDTA is also an approved food ingredient and preservative. Some people like to get EDTA chelation done in order to remove mercury, but it is usually considered medically an optional therapy in that case. The amount of mercury is what decides if it is a necessity. Here are some videos about chelation therapy. Since it is good business, why aren't doctors prescribing it more? Either most of them don't believe it is needed, or they want to kill us. Doctors are kind of psycho, so I am torn.
YouTube - EDTA

Here is a video with a chemist that talks about fillings in our teeth. They generally discuss amalgams, safety etc. The host chemist has amalgam fillings and a fellow chemist shuns them. It is a cool video.
YouTube - Amalgams - Periodic Table of Videos

Here is a youtube page that is dedicated to proclaiming the dangers of vaccines. It has quotations of some doctor's opinions. No double-blind studies though. It is very hard to believe that the rest of our thousand of doctors are willingly helping to kill us, so their silence makes me feel that maybe Kennedy is misinformed. Plus I need my shots, but here are the quotes:
YouTube - octomedia's Channel

I once had an old book about the toxicity of various heavy metals but I donated it before I really looked at any except Cadmium. Cadmium is bad, and I hope they would never put that into shots. Mercury is questionable, but I don't know. Isaac Newton occasionally tasted mercury based chemicals and there was mercury growing out with his hair, but he lived to be 65 and was moderately intelligent if a little eccentric. Ok, so he was a 65 year old virgin, but hey.
 
bananabrain said:
let's see the independent peer-reviewed double-blind study research before we start agreeing damfool conspiracy theories without a shred of credibility to their names. what, as you americans say, a "crock".

and that, incidentally, is not just my opinion, but the opinion of a dear friend of mine who also happens to be a consultant paediatrician who specialises in autism.

DO NOT BELIEVE THESE SELF-PROMOTING WINGNUTS.

b'shalom

bananabrain
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John Kennedy, one of those self promoting wingnuts?

I don't know about the UK, but the most recent one for me to deal with was chicken pox vaccine. I got the chicken pox as a kid, my wife did, my sisters did, my friends did....but suddenly the Peditatrician (self promoting wingnut? you decide) said we had to get them, the school system was now requiring it, it just made sense. Why do we die of chicken pox, anywho I gave into my mom, my wife, my pediatrician, after all they all know better and they all have your placebo based double blind studies behind them.

We pay for the vaccine. A month later, my son has chicken pox when it runs through the school, the exact thing we were preventing, why was it in the school, because everyone didn't toe the line we were told. So when I take him to the pediatrician asking for my money back he said those 10 dots don't constitute chicken pox, he's got something but not chicken pox. A week later his twin sister is covered head to toe. I take her back in, the nurse says she can't be in here, she's got chicken pox, I said no she doesn't she got the vaccine, the Doc says she doesn't...he comes out insisting we leave and let it run its course...why couldn't we do it in the first place?? So I asked him to report the vaccine strain, ID whatever to the CDC (center for disease control). Surely they were watching this new vaccine they were forcing us to use and monitoring its effectiveness...."No we don't have anything like that" "Well how many kids have got the vaccine and got chicken pox" I ask, the nurse says "Quite a few" the Pediatrician glares at her "But we don't have a record of how many"

"Don't you think it is about time you started a record???"

Sorry BB, these things make me lose respect with Doctors. And make me soooo glad we are considering national health care...it will be soooo much better under gov't coverup...I mean control.
 
i learned long ago that because someone's name is "kennedy" does not mean they can't be a total and utter knob-end.

wil said:
your placebo based double blind studies behind them.
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not "my". science's. that is how science works. of course they have to be interpreted and sometimes the interpretations should be challenged, but it is about eliminating false positives and such things.

A month later, my son has chicken pox when it runs through the school, the exact thing we were preventing, why was it in the school, because everyone didn't toe the line we were told.
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yes. it's "herd immunity". when the number falls below 80% (i believe) because of people going "ah, you experts, what do you know anyway" the herd immunity is lost. and ok, you got a faulty vaccine, perhaps, but that is not due to any problem with the principle of vaccination, but a problem to do with medical control systems, ie humans. and, yes, your paediatrician should be aware of proper control studies which should of course be being carried out in the first place.

none of which is an objection to my point about the science.

b'shalom

bananabrain
 
bananabrain said:
none of which is an objection to my point about the science.

b'shalom

bananabrain
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Well I'm just a mere mortal who reads the science stories daily. I read everything that comes out related to autism, amongst others. What I do know is your paediatrician friend does not have a clue what causes autism. If he thinks it has nothing to do with, or dismisses environmental poisoning when this spike has occurred in western nations in recent decades he would be a fool.
 
bananabrain said:
inone of which is an objection to my point about the science.
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Namaste BB,

Twas you BB that said what a crock, that these folks were out to make money. Well the vaccine crowd is out to make millions, our doctor friends are out to maintain their lifestyles...and they are all making more money than the medical whistleblowers.

I didn't say being a Kennedy made him worthy of listening to, but it surely seperates him from those folks out to make a buck on the deal!

In this day and age if you are going to immunize millions on your drug you tested on a few hundred to prove efficable and then not set up a website for doctors to record results.. in my mind there is no science being done. It is all about money.

Speaking of your pediatrician friend and doctors in general...anyone who decides to actually read and investigate any of them that decide to go holistic or the way of the naturopath have my hat off to them... Because along the way they have to discover something very tough and disconcerting, that their cult allegiance to the medical establishment drinking the koolaid and force feeding the pablum onto the unsuspecting public their patients. In the end they have to admit they did not follow the hypocratic oath, they did do harm, they did injur and in many cases shorten lives.

I'm not saying all alopathic medicine is bad, but I am saying that not looking with scrutiny at our slash, burn and poison methods is a huge mistake.
 
I was listening to the radio at work today and an issue that came up was the amount of money spent in Alberta on medicine.
This is gov't money, not private funds mind you, in any case the figure was 30 million per day (population is 3.6 million and not everyone is sick).
Huge sum of money considering the population and this does not include what people spend for meds and other therapies.
I agree with wil, the snake oil salesmen have taken over and medicine is now all about the money, with a token nod to helping hurting people.
(And yes, I know, there are some good doctors out there who really do care, it is the whole scheme/system of organized medicine which is problematic IMO).
 
3 weeks ago my 6 yo son developed a fever.. it stayed between 99-102 degrees with complaints of a sore throat. After a week we took him to his pediatrician who checked his throat and said he had a throat infection as as a result of some virus. He prescribed a cough and cold medicine and amoxicillan for the infecton if the fever hadnt broke in 2 days. We started the antibiotic because his fever was spiking at 103 and wouldnt go down with tylenol or ibuprofin.

7 days later (last night) he develops a rash that looks like a heat rash under his armpits so I dont think anything of it.. its hot here in Texas. This morning he wakes up with a horrible looking rash from head to toe. It really looks evil... he even has it on his palms and bottoms of his feet... inside of his ears! So I start doing some research because I believe we have to.. that we cant just trust these people. Well I put two and two together.. My daughter had mono last March with all the same symptoms sore throat and fever that lasted over a week. When she had that I researched it and read that you do not give amoxicillan to people with mono because of the rash that they get.

So I take my son into the pediatrician again today and told them to test him for mono and they doubted he could have that but did the test anyways and guess what,... my son has mono. So yeah Im a little pissed and a lot relieved. If I wouldnt have said something about the mono they would have labeled him as allergic to penicillan which is a pain in the butt.

Thats my little story about medicine in America. :)
 
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