God Did Not Bless Adam & Eve Sexual Union

[17th Angel]

Look how long God prepared humanity for Jesus to come ? and still he was rejected and crucified.

Wasn't that like... Meant to happen?

Without the right foundation of faith, the Messiah will surely be killed even after many years of preparation.

He's the fricken messiah, just shoot laser beams from his eyes!!! Pascifists... *tuts* Never will get anywhere.

It says that the Messiah will come again like a thief in the night

Maybe it is the guy on the right side cross? Maybe he's stole the idea?

One thing for sure, the satanic forces will do everything to destroy him and he will not be popular.

And so he shouldn't be.

Oh could you define for me, satanic forces? What are these?

Personally, I believe he is here but most people have unfortunately missed him.

You think he's here? Why are we still in such a poor condition? What's with the sneaky sneaky ninja routine?

Most have missed him? So, I've missed him? OR has he missed me?

 

[Dondi]

It says that they were naked and felt no shame, then right after falling they felt shame and covered their sexual organs.

The way I understand it, is that they were supposed to wait until they had reached maturity before consuming their union, meaning eating of the fruit. They needed to become fruitful first. A fruit is eaten once it becomes mature. During that era when the bible was written, they were using agrarian images and symbols.

Even today, parents tell their teenage children to wait until the appropriate time of maturity before having sexual relations.

Sexual relation is the only way the sin, we call original sin can be transmitted from generation to generation. It is through the blood lineage.

Even saints cannot erase the original sin for their descendants.

Even Jesus could not erase it. To start God's lineage, Jesus would have to be married but satan was able to destroy his earthly body.

This was the real tragedy of the cross. God once again lost his lineage. Fisrt during the human fall and for the second time at the cross.

Where ever does it say they needed to wait until maturity until they could have sex? They were already made full grown adults.

And to be honest, I do not see how you can exegesis sexual union out of eating the fruit. God created sex, so how can that be sin?

What about all the animals that were created? Should they have waited to mate like A&E?

And lastly, you are way off the mark about Jesus. For one, there is nowhere in the bible stating that Jesus planned to get married. And you are basically calling Jesus a failure, yet the bible calls the Cross a victory. What kind of bible are YOU reading?

 

[soleil10]

Wasn't that like... Meant to happen?

No Jesus did not come initially to be killed and crucified. It is a tragedy that people think he was. If he was supposed to be killed, God did not have to make preparation for him to come.

Oh could you define for me, satanic forces? What are these?

After Lucifer rebelled against God, sin multiplied through the actions of fallen people. Some people even reject God completely and create a strong base of unity with Satan (fallen Lucifer). All of us are in the midway position. Sometimes will follow our evil desires, sometimes we follow our heavenly desires and allign ourselves with God.
Satanic forces mean the forces for evil actions. Satan needs a base to operate. Give and take with him creates a force for evil

Satan tried with Jesus but could not make such a base. Jesus defeated his power all the way to the cross. Satan took his body but was not able to take his spirit. Jesus was totally victorious spiritually

You think he's here? Why are we still in such a poor condition? What's with the sneaky sneaky ninja routine?

The main role of the Messiah is to uproot and eradicate the original sin and starts God's lineage on earth. We then ourself can be grafted to God's lineage. We are called to become Messiah ourselves.
This lineage will over time defeat satan's lineage.

Christianity can offer this only spiritually not physically. This is symbolized during mass with the drinking of the wine.

The Messiah is not a ninja in the holywood movie. He cmes to create a new culture of the heart.

Most have missed him? So, I've missed him? OR has he missed me?

If you are desperate enough and ask God, He will guide you. Finding the Messiah is more important than our physical life.

Your own ancestors or saints can also can guide you. Ask them for help.

Stop to use sacarcism and be sincere. Satan loves sacarcism.

 

[soleil10]

Where ever does it say they needed to wait until maturity until they could have sex? They were already made full grown adults.

Dondi, everything in God's creation goes through a period of Growth, everything. It is a universal law. No one can excape it.

Our body grows automatically with food, water, sunlight etc...
but Adam & Eve needed to grow and perfect their character, their spirit if you will centered on God. They needed to become one with God of their free will

And to be honest, I do not see how you can exegesis sexual union out of eating the fruit. God created sex, so how can that be sin?

I did not say that sex is a sin. Please read carefully. I said prematured sex was the cause of their fall. God was not part of their union. Their union was centered on the fallen Lucifer. This is why we are from his lineage as Jesus said clearly.
It is hard to accept but it is true. Look at all the evil in the world. Could God's children do such a evil. God has a claim on us so does satan.

What about all the animals that were created? Should they have waited to mate like A&E?

Animals go by and follow their instinct. They do not have a spirit. They are not humans. They were not created to be God's own children

And lastly, you are way off the mark about Jesus. For one, there is nowhere in the bible stating that Jesus planned to get married.

Since Jesus came as the second Adam to restore his failure, the 3 blessings God gave in Genesis 1:28 are still true for the second Adam. God will never change on his desire to be present on earth through God'centered families where he can dwell. Think of it, would there be a second Adam and not a second Eve ?

And you are basically calling Jesus a failure, yet the bible calls the Cross a victory. What kind of bible are YOU reading?

That is absolutly untrue. The people of his time failed to accept and receive Jesus. I did not say that Jesus failed. We did.

The Cross was a victory but it was not God original will for Jesus's coming. This is why Jesus agonised at Gethsemany. Not because he was weak but because he knew God's heart. His own disciples fell asleep. 3 times Jesus woke them up. he was all alone. No one understood his agony of wanting to accomplish his initial purpose.
The cross became plan B if you will.

After that Jesus started to speak about his coming crucifixion, At the beginning of his ministry, he spoke of the kingdom is at hand...let the dead bury the dead... repent.. etc There was clearly a change of direction. The disciples themselves were surprised and did not understand

God prepared a whole nation to receive Jesus. Read the New Testament again. All of what I am saying is right there in the bible. The Messiah cannot succeed alone. God either.

True Love is vulnerable.

I have the highest repect for Jesus. He was the first God true son. ask him directly if what I am saying is true or false.

Even God had to abandon Jesus on the cross at the end. Because Adam abandoned God, Jesus restored Adam fault at the cross. Evne when God abandoned him, he stayed faithful.

Imagine how painful, it was for God to see his beloved son, the one who could finally bring his Godly seed on the earth being crucified.

Jesus could forgive sins even before the cross. He did not need to go to the cross.

Dondi, I am not trying to offend you. This is what I have come to believe because it make much sense.

Jesus has to come back because of the cross.

 

[wil]

Where ever does it say they needed to wait until maturity until they could have sex? They were already made full grown adults. ....What about all the animals that were created? Should they have waited to mate like A&E?

Namaste Dondi,

S10 will flip when he reads the part about G!d initially creating the animals as a helpmeet for man and Adam trying all the animals to find a good helpmeet and finding none of them satisfactory. Hence the reason G!d made Eve and Adam thought she turned out to be a good helpmeet.

Seems Adam was experienced when he met Eve, and their sexual union happenned prior to the fruit. Twas their understanding all and becoming G!ds like us and knowing they were naked, prior to eating they were unaware of thier naivete...

tis always a difficulty when one takes allegory and fables and makes them into literal text.

 

[soleil10]

Namaste Dondi, S10 will flip when he reads the part about G!d initially creating the animals as a helpmeet for man and Adam trying all the animals to find a good helpmeet and finding none of them satisfactory. Hence the reason G!d made Eve and Adam thought she turned out to be a good helpmeet.

Since humans are spiritual beings first, their sexual union is also spiritual first and eternal. We are complete and in the image of God only as the union of a man and a woman. Will as a man, your are only half of God's picture

You comparaison to us being like animals and God initially creating animals to be our mate is really low and I will say satanic.

God had the union of Adam and Eve as his image on earth before he even created the whole universe. How cheap you are making God by saying that he created Eve because animals were not good enough helpmate for Adam.

I do not think you even know the true value of a woman. A woman is like your second messiah. Without becoming one with your spouse, you do not represent the image of God. Salvation is not just an individual thing. We enter heaven as a couple and a family.

 

[wil]

You comparaison to us being like animals and God initially creating animals to be our mate is really low and I will say satanic.

God had the union of Adam and Eve as his image on earth before he even created the whole universe. How cheap you are making God by saying that he created Eve because animals were not good enough helpmate for Adam.

Namaste S10,

Not satanic, biblical. And I didn't say we were like animals, I said he tried the animals to find a helpmeet.

KJV, Gen 218And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

19And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; 22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. 24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

So they were 'one flesh' long before the serpent was around, because she was a good helpmeet.

Gen 36And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
7And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked;

Let's see, she ate it, and THEN she gave it to her hubby and he ate it. That don't sound like sex to me. They ate of the tree of knowledge and they eyes of them both were opened.

 

[soleil10]

Namaste S10,Not satanic, biblical. And I didn't say we were like animals, I said he tried the animals to find a helpmeet.

Do you think the God who created the whole universe from the Cosmos down to the incredibly sophisticated cell did not have a clear plan for A&E who were the center and purpose of His creation ?

So they were 'one flesh' long before the serpent was around, because she was a good helpmeet. Let's see, she ate it, and THEN she gave it to her hubby and he ate it. That don't sound like sex to me.

The bible says: " For this reason a manwill leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh. The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame."

Then as soon as they fell (ate of the fruit), it says that they hide their sexual part and felt shame: "they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves".

Jesus said Matt 15:11 "Not that which goes into the mouth defies a man"
,then he says Matt 15:11-19 "..for out of the heart comes all iniquities." Jesus is testifying that the root of sin is the human heart.

What fruit A&E could be desiring more than life itself ? Look at society around you. We see it everyday. Fallen men and women risking everything and violating Love

I am not saying here that sex is bad, in the same way we would not say that money itself is bad.

What I am saying is that God wanted to be at the center of A&E union and He gave them a specific commandment. Love became corrupted at the time of the human fall.

The rest of the Old Testament shows the preparation for Jesus to be born from a restored lineage and a womb untouched/separated/ clean from the human fall.
Matthew's gospel starts by the lineage of Jesus. It includes Tamarwho slept with he own father in law at the risk of loosing her life in order to continue Jesus's precious lineage.
The study of the restoration of Jesus' lineage shows that the origin of the human fall has to do with the misuse of love.

 

[wil]

What I am implying is the danger in reading the book literally. (or compilation of creation stories literally) And my belief is that it is allegory. Now you can interpret as you do, not an issue. I just don't interpret it as you do.

For me the sky is not falling, all is in divine order. Tis a choice we make.

 

[soleil10]

Did you answer that one, soliel10?

God did not go back on his command ?

His plan for manking, His purpose for creation is unchanging.
As we see in Genesis, A&E did not follow it.

God gave them a specific commandment, not to eat of the fruit while they were growing to maturity. Tragically, they did.

As a parent, we can teach our children and show them the blessed way if you will but at the end of the day, they have their own portion of responsibility to respond.