Quran gives permission to use modern facilities?

ok, i'm going to lock this thread if it continues to derail. either get back to the subject and play nice or else.

b'shalom

bananabrain


huh :confused: ?? I was actually (sincerely) complimenting the guy, after he apologized... i think that qualifies as "playing nice."
 
No wait! I have a 3rd apology!

I want to apologise to the Moderators for my imposition of their time and patience.

I have exhibited contempt in this court of public opinion, and for that I am deeply remorseful. I have been in Contempt of court!

The likes of my rhetorical acumen it the stuff that killed Lenny Bruce, got Andy Kaufman into a sleeper-hold and it'll probably do the same to Christopher Hitchens, and, let's not forget what Salmon Rushdie had to go through with that 'ditsie' Padma —so I better take heed of those that went before me.

However, I'm not going to punish you any longer with my presence, because we're so short of Hare Krishnas at the moment, what with all of them emigrating to South Africa.

I'm going tomorrow; I've got my ticket. Get out there and get some decent sentencing done.

Ooh, England makes me sick! Best I can manage here is life imprisonment. It's hardly worth coming in, in the morning. Now, South Africa?

You've got your cat of nine tails, you've got four death sentences a week, you've got cheap drinks, slave labour and a booming stock market. I'm off, I tell you.

Yes, I'm up to here with probation and bleeding psychiatric reports. That's it, I'm off. That's it. Right. But I'm going to have one final fling before I leave, so I sentence you to be . . . left without me!

I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition!
NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!

My chief weapon was surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise....
No wait, my two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency....
No wait, my three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope....
No wait, my four...no... Amongst our weapons....
Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise....
Oy!
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition, amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms!

Eventually I'll get it right,
Bhaktajan

Old Jesuits never die they just go on sabbatical.
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Hey Shree Param-atma!
Aham Bhaktajan,
sukriya, please give all the posters and readers here at interfaith Forums:

All Artha, kama, dharma and moksha, all 7 feminine opulences [as per Gita 10.34], all good wealth, all good health, all good happiness, an all good mate, and Krishna-Prema, and Hari-nama Sankirtan-jagya. Om Tat Sat.
 
No wait! I have a 3rd apology!

I want to apologise to the Moderators for my imposition of their time and patience.

I have exhibited contempt in this court of public opinion, and for that I am deeply remorseful. I have been in Contempt of court!

The likes of my rhetorical acumen it the stuff that killed Lenny Bruce, got Andy Kaufman into a sleeper-hold and it'll probably do the same to Christopher Hitchens, and, let's not forget what Salmon Rushdie had to go through with that 'ditsie' Padma —so I better take heed of those that went before me.

However, I'm not going to punish you any longer with my presence, because we're so short of Hare Krishnas at the moment, what with all of them emigrating to South Africa.

I'm going tomorrow; I've got my ticket. Get out there and get some decent sentencing done.

Ooh, England makes me sick! Best I can manage here is life imprisonment. It's hardly worth coming in, in the morning. Now, South Africa?

You've got your cat of nine tails, you've got four death sentences a week, you've got cheap drinks, slave labour and a booming stock market. I'm off, I tell you.

Yes, I'm up to here with probation and bleeding psychiatric reports. That's it, I'm off. That's it. Right. But I'm going to have one final fling before I leave, so I sentence you to be . . . left without me!

I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition!
NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!

My chief weapon was surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise....
No wait, my two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency....
No wait, my three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope....
No wait, my four...no... Amongst our weapons....
Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise....
Oy!
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition, amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms!

Eventually I'll get it right,
Bhaktajan

Old Jesuits never die they just go on sabbatical.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hey Shree Param-atma!
Aham Bhaktajan,
sukriya, please give all the posters and readers here at interfaith Forums:

All Artha, kama, dharma and moksha, all 7 feminine opulences [as per Gita 10.34], all good wealth, all good health, all good happiness, an all good mate, and Krishna-Prema, and Hari-nama Sankirtan-jagya. Om Tat Sat.



A quarter of weed - $35

A gram of coke - $80

A permanant trip in BhaktajanLand -> Priceless
:)
 
ok, i'm going to lock this thread if it continues to derail. either get back to the subject and play nice or else.

b'shalom

bananabrain

What subject? This has been a nonsense from start to finish, please just lock the thread.
 
Quran and Islam always allow Muslims to use modern facilities and also to discover this world.


1] In the west one pay a fee and then additional maintanence fee(s).

The persona that owns the original copywright-rights has the particular and latest "modern facility" fullfills a public demand for such facilities.

Later, as has occurred repeatedly in history, various prohibitive newly inscribed laws arise that curb the use of such "modern facilities" ---depending on the newly discovered "faults" of many a "modern facility" ---this has included drunken driving laws to changes of juntas and empires.

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2] The intelligensia of society always ask to prove authenticity of any judgement with scriptural [the text books] and/or by way of the proofs that results by way of the "Scientific-Method".

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3] Therefore, Ali, which chapter & verse clearly says:
"to use modern facilities and also to discover this world"
Please provide the proof ---in english please, as written in a known published edition, please.
 
On the road to kingdom come? With a $hit load of funky-karma in-tow?:

http://www.interfaith.org/forum/quran-gives-permission-to-use-12771.html#post226998

Originally Posted by bhaktajan
BTW, is not gunpowder composed of dessicated pigdung?

Niter (one of the three ingredients of the basic "black power" along with coal and sulfur) can be obtained from any animal waste, nothing special about pigs.

EXHIBIT 1: Glycerin
Glycerol is an organic compound, also called glycerin or glycerine.
Glycerol forms the backbone of triglycerides, and can be produced by saponification of animal fats, e.g. a byproduct of soap-making. Vegetable oils and animal fats are the usual materials that are saponified. These greasy materials, triesters called triglycerides, are mixtures derived from diverse fatty acids. Triglycerides can be converted to soap either in a one- or a two-step process. In the traditional one-step process, the triglyceride is treated with a strong base (e.g. lye), which accelerates cleavage of the ester bond and releases the fatty acid salt and glycerol. This process is the main industrial method for producing glycerol. If necessary, soaps may be precipitated by salting it out with saturatedsodium chloride. The saponification value is the amount of base required to saponify a fat sample. For soap making, the triglycerides are highly purified, but saponification includes other base hydrolysis of unpurified triglycerides. For example the conversion of the fat of a corpse into adipocere, often called "grave wax." This process is more common where the amount of fatty tissue is high, the agents of decomposition are absent or only minutely present, and the burial ground is particularly alkaline.
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/glycerine-uses.html
Glycerine is one of the ingredients which goes into the making of Nitroglycerin. Nitroglycerin is an important product used to manufacture smokeless gunpowder.
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/how-to-make-glycerin-soap.html
Soap:
Soap is a combination of oils or fatty acids and alkali. The resultant reaction produces a compound called glycerin as well as the sodium salt of the fatty acid used. Different types of combination of fatty acids and alkali are responsible for the various properties of soap.

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/lye-for-soap-making.html
Lye Soap Making Instructions

Once you have get hold of the lye, either by buying it from the store or making it on your own, the next thing that you have to know is the process of making lye soap. Though there are many lye soap making recipes, here we will take a look at the recipe of making the basic lye soap. So, here are the instructions that you can follow to make lye soap. Read more on homemade lye soap recipe.

Things Needed to Make Lye Soap

2.48 kg or 5 lbs lard
1 can 100% lye
605 grams ice cold water
4-6 quart plastic bowl or cast iron pot
1-2 quart oven ware bowl
1 shallow cardboard box which is lined with plastic thrash bag
1 wooden or plastic spoon
1 pair of rubber gloves
 
EXHIBIT 2: Phosphorous
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphorus
Phosphorus is a component of DNA, RNA, ATP, and also the phospholipids that form all cell membranes. It is, thus, an essential element for all living cells. The most important commercial use of phosphorus-based chemicals is the production of fertilizers.
Phosphorus compounds are also widely used in explosives, nerve agents, friction matches, fireworks, pesticides, toothpaste, and detergents.
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http://www.buzzle.com/articles/phosphorus-uses.html
Phosphorus is a chemical element commonly found in inorganic phosphate rocks. Basically, there exist two major forms of elemental phosphorus - white phosphorus and red phosphorus. Phosphorus uses, which exist in plenty, make it one of the most important chemical element found on the planet.
The uses of phosphorus can be broadly categorized into two groups, i.e. phosphorus uses in human body and plants. In case of uses for humans, there are biological uses as well as industrial uses.
Other Uses Phosphorus
Owing to its various properties, phosphorus and its various compounds have been used in a wide range of applications. It is used as a flame-retardant for textiles, plastics, sealants, etc. Chemical polish made from phosphorus is ideal in brightening aluminum and aluminum alloys. It is used in a range of cleaning solutions as well. Red phosphorus is used to make matchbook strikers and safety matches. In terms of industrial usage, phosphorus is used to produce special glasses, phosphor bronze, steel, etc. It is also a major constituent of high-nitrogen fertilizer. Phosphorus is used in incendiary bombs and smoke bombs in the military.
Phosphorous wastes from animal meat farms:
http://dnr.wi.gov/runoff/ag/waterquality.htm
How does phosphorus from manure affect water quality?
Plants need both nitrogen and phosphorus to grow. However, in cool, temperate regions like Wisconsin, it is generally the phosphorus level of a waterbody that determines how much plant and algae growth will occur. In order to keep plant and algae growth at reasonable levels, the amount of phosphorus entering our streams and rivers must be carefully managed. Because many areas of Wisconsin already have an overabundance of phosphorus, reducing phosphorus inputs is often necessary to keep algae growth in check and to keep our streams and rivers healthy.
How can nitrogen from manure affect water quality and human health?
Nitrogen is an essential nutrient for plant growth, and is one of the primary components of manure and commercial fertilizers. However, although nitrogen is very productive when applied to crops, excess nitrogen can have negative impacts in our lakes, rivers, and groundwater.
Because of its fertilizing properties, nitrogen is a key contributing factor to algae growth in streams and lakes.
Excess nitrogen in rivers and streams can be toxic to aquatic animals at high levels. This toxicity is due to ammonium hydroxide (NH4OH), which is produced at greater rates under conditions that are common where waste spills have occurred (such as low oxygen levels, high pH, and high temperature). Toxic levels of ammonium hydroxide are usually due to pollution from manure and sewage spills, and can result in fish kills and loss of other aquatic organisms.

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http://www.extension.umn.edu/distribution/horticulture/dg2923.html
Fertilizers are used by homeowners to maintain and improve landscape beauty and quality. Increased use of home lawn and garden fertilizers, however, has caused concern about pollution of lakes and groundwaters.
The two fertilizer nutrients primarily involved, nitrogen and phosphorus, are needed by all plants for healthy growth. Although an individual lawn or garden seems small, the total area of lawns and gardens in urban environments can be significant. Runoff and drainage waters carrying these nutrients may move over hard-surfaced streets where there is no soil to act as a filter. The potential result is an increase in pollution problems.
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Eutrophication
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eutrophication
Phosphorus is often regarded as the main culprit in cases of eutrophication in lakes subjected to "point source" pollution from sewage pipes. The concentration of algae and the trophic state of lakes correspond well to phosphorus levels in water. Studies conducted in the Experimental Lakes Area in Ontario have shown a relationship between the addition of phosphorus and the rate of eutrophication. Humankind has increased the rate of phosphorus cycling on Earth by four times, mainly due to agricultural fertilizer production and application. Between 1950 and 1995, an estimated 600,000,000 tonnes of phosphorus were applied to Earth's surface, primarily on croplands.[8] Policy changes to control point sources of phosphorus have resulted in rapid control of eutrophication.

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The current state of the art is that we know high-testing soils support higher phosphorus concentrations in runoff, although the absolute levels are not known for specific soils. Soils testing "excessively high" in phosphorus soil test procedures should be considered high phosphorus source soils and should be managed to reduce runoff potential.
Always remember that the environmental soil test phosphorus only tells half the story about phosphorus loss. Producers with soils that test high in phosphorus can limit their phosphorus contribution to the watershed through runoff reduction and control.

Manure is an excellent phosphorus fertilizer. Farmers who apply manure uniformly can subtract manure phosphorus from the fertilizer needs of a field.
Phosphorus is the nutrient limiting growth of aquatic organisms in most Missouri streams. Excess phosphorus in runoff into streams, wetlands, and lakes will reduce water quality.
Fields vulnerable to high phosphorus loss must have both a high source potential and a mechanism to transport that phosphorus to the water body. Minimize runoff potential on soils with high source phosphorus; minimize source phosphorus on soils with high runoff potential.
Redistribution of phosphorus in the watershed will reduce phosphorus in runoff only if fields receiving manure have lower runoff potential or are planted in crops with a higher capacity to use the manure phosphorus.
 
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