No big bang...

Also, is not a cone a round triangle?
A "rotated" triangle would be accurate terminology. The triangle has to be isosceles, that is, symmetric about some axis, so that it can be rotated (if sides AB and AC are the same length, or equivalently, the angle at B equals the angle at C, then the axis of symmetry is from A to the middle of side BC, and the left side will rotate around to fit exactly where the right side was). A cylinder is a "rotated rectangle" in the same sense.
 
Two comments--

First, Chakraman, Vajradhara is correct. When you get to the early phase of the big bang the temperatures (and other stuff) override classical physics (including relativity) and leave us with just QM as a tool.

Second, while it is certainly possible that "Big Bang" is in error and we should always have a possible alternative in mind (and variable speed of light and gravitational constants have been around for a long time) this particular instance seems "out there". Not saying it is wrong, but that I (and others, see bautforum/showthread.php/106433, this forum would not let me post a link, sorry ) see entirely too many problems.

It comes back to Whitehead's statement that a metaphysics “frame a coherent, logical, necessary system of general ideas in terms of which every element of our experience can be interpreted”. I am afraid Shu's theory fails. Why? Think about all the measurements of "c" the speed of light, the backgound microwave temperature, the percentages of existant elements, and recent really good evidence for black holes. Not to get into the nuts and bolts, but the evidence from any of these flies in the faceof Shu's theory.


Pax et amor vincunt omnia, radarmark
 
If one were to explode, and implode at the same instant...would there be any mess to clean up?
 
I kinda like a toroidal universe with a positive curvature. Hard (nope, impossible) to visualize but it is fun to surf down the slope.

Have fun vajradhara and donnann
 
I kinda like a toroidal universe with a positive curvature. Hard (nope, impossible) to visualize but it is fun to surf down the slope.

Have fun vajradhara and donnann

lol cute visualization. Like surfing the waves :)
 

Oh yes, there was one if you can understand metaphorical language. It is written in Genesis 1:3. "And God said, Let there be light, and there was light" soon to shine with the rise of Israel from the loins of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Much later through Prophet Isaiah, the Lord commanded that Israel be set aside as light unto the nations. (Isa. 42:6) And another 500 years later, during his famous Sermon of the Mount to a crowd of Jews, Jesus said, "You are the light of the world." (Mat. 5:14) That was all that the "big bang" was as Judaism is concerned.
 
I think Wun Yi Shu has the right of it.

'He found that, because acceleration is an inherent part of his model, it fits the redshift data of the observed supernovae quite well. In contrast, the currently accepted big bang model does not fit the data, which has caused scientists to search for other explanations such as dark energy that theoretically makes up 75% of the mass-energy of the universe.

Shu’s models may also account for other problems faced by the standard big bang model. For instance, the flatness problem arises in the big bang model from the observation that a seemingly flat universe such as ours requires finely tuned initial conditions. But because the universe is a 3-sphere in Shu’s models, the flatness problem “disappears automatically.” Similarly, the horizon problem occurs in standard cosmology because it should not be possible for distant places in the universe to share the same physical properties (as they do), since it should require communication faster than the speed of light due to their great distances. However, Shu’s models solve this problem due to their lack of big bang origin and intrinsic acceleration. ..'

“Essentially, this work is a novel theory about how the magnitudes of the three basic physical dimensions, mass, time, and length, are converted into each other, or equivalently, a novel theory about how the geometry of spacetime and the distribution of mass-energy interact,” Shu writes. “The theory resolves problems in cosmology, such as those of the big bang, dark energy, and flatness, in one fell stroke.'
Read more at: Model describes universe with no big bang, no beginning, and no end
 
An interesting theory indeed! Definitely resolves some issues of current cosmological thinking without resorting to invisible substances!

There is one issue for me that stands out as a problem. This line:

Basically, as the universe expands, time is converted into space, and mass is converted into length. As the universe contracts, the opposite occurs.

So as the universe contracts, length is converted into mass; space is converted into time. Which means during contraction we end up with more and more mass and time, less and less length and space. Carrying this to its ultimate conclusion we have a period with infinite mass & time. Infinite mass & time with no length and no space sounds suspiciously like a singularity to me.

Bottom line there is no causal effect for the singularity. It has simply always existed. It expands and contracts on a rhythm of --- what? That is what is missing. An effect that causes things to start expanding or start contracting.
 
Not as far as Judaism was concerned...as far as you were concerned....

I know plenty of Jews....they don't all think enmasse.

Good! It means that Jews are free to think with a mind of their own.
 
An interesting theory indeed! Definitely resolves some issues of current cosmological thinking without resorting to invisible substances!

There is one issue for me that stands out as a problem. This line:

Basically, as the universe expands, time is converted into space, and mass is converted into length. As the universe contracts, the opposite occurs.

So as the universe contracts, length is converted into mass; space is converted into time. Which means during contraction we end up with more and more mass and time, less and less length and space. Carrying this to its ultimate conclusion we have a period with infinite mass & time. Infinite mass & time with no length and no space sounds suspiciously like a singularity to me.

Bottom line there is no causal effect for the singularity. It has simply always existed. It expands and contracts on a rhythm of --- what? That is what is missing. An effect that causes things to start expanding or start contracting.

Space and time are concepts related to matter. Space, the definition of what stands between matter and matter and time what is used to measure the motion of matter. And for the singularity, nothing related to matter has always existed.
 
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