Does the barcode have something to do with the mark of the Beast?

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HI,

I have been suspicious of this barcode ever since I saw them start putting them on the driver's lliscence ten years ago. I'v heard that every bar code contains three sixes, but have seen some that don't . But still I'm leary of it. Could it be that what ever is on our driver's liscence is spiritualy "in" our hand or forehead, because the King James does say the mark of the Beast will be "in" not on our hand or forehead. Or do we need to look for something else like the verichip or microchip they've come out with? I know some of you don't believe in Biblical prophecy but I see things leading up to it before our eyes today.

Rhonda
 
Rhonda, pleased to meet you. Your comment is quite typical these days, particularly since bar codes are numerical. There is a lot of speculation about the number 666 mentioned in Revelation, and I'm sure you've heard some of the theories concerning it.

I don't believe what you say on Biblical prophecy but that doesn't mean that I don't believe in it or that I don't believe in you either. I would first approach Revelation in this way: believing in it means to obey, which obeying is how to receive the Father who sent Jesus. "This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother" (I John 3:10) John, you recall, is not the author but the transcriber of the book Revelation. The revelation is given to Jesus by his Father, which Jesus then gives to the angel to pass on to John, who then records it.(Rev 1) If I read the Bible and 'believe' what it says but don't live right, then it is for nothing. If I read the Bible and don't fully understand yet do what is right, then I have believed.

That is the only way to view Revelation, first obeying, then trying to understand; because it is a book written in symbols not to make it hard to understand but to encourage the believer in difficult times. I say the believer but I mean the obedient, and not just the perfectly obedience but the obedient, since no individual is perfected alone. It is not a book predicting the future actions and times and never was. It is rather a guide in how Christians should live, swords in their mouths--not in their hands. The only reason it was interpreted as a prognosticating book was that many Protestants around 1500 were very distraught with the Roman Catholic hierarchy, and they were vulnerable to deception. They saw the Pope as an antichrist figure (which is a person who brings division to Christians). We did not know what the book was for, so we tried to place the symbols as physical events instead of seeing them as a vision, which is what they are. The visions are about our incredible war of fighting against principalities and powers and against the rulers of darkness of this world. The final victory of the saints against the dragon happens because "They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death." (Rev 12:11). This may remind you of a famous ancient quotation, "The Blood of the Martyrs is the Seed of the Church".

Fight the good fight,
Dream
 
Edit: "It is not a book predicting the future actions and times and never was." would be better read "It is not a book predicting specific events and never was." It does talk about the future but about the entirety of the future until all of Jesus enemies are destroyed. The enemies are things like hate, sadness, murder, and all bad things. Death is the final enemy to be destroyed.
 
Hi dream,

We agree about much. I too believe we should obey if we are to call ourselves true Christians. I believe obediance is essential to overcoming. We are told to not fear them who can destroy the body and after that can no longer do anything to us. But we are to fear HIM who can destroy both body and soul in hell.

I don't understand everything that was written in Revelation, but I do know this-as a believer in Yeshua (Jesus) I can see that Revelation is being fulfilled before our very eyes.

Jesus did say "when the branch is yet tender and putteth forth leaves (I think) you know that summer is nigh, so likewise when you see all these things know that it is near, even at the door."

Rhonda
 
Let me answer alleged "prophecy" regarding bar codes with a bit of Scripture:


And Jesus answered and said to them, "See to it that no one misleads you. For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will mislead many. "You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end. "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes. But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.
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--Matthew 24:4-8


All the disasters we see, all the ones our parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, great-great-grandparents, great-great-great grandparents and more have seen are not the signs that the Coming is going to happen any minute. At best, they are just the beginnings of any signs.



Then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ,' or 'There He is,' do not believe him. "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. "Behold, I have told you in advance. "So if they say to you, 'Behold, He is in the wilderness,' do not go out, or, 'Behold, He is in the inner rooms,' do not believe them. For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.
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--Matthew 24:23-27


If anybody tries to tell you he knows the time when Christ will appear, do not believe him. It doesn't even matter if this person has written a book or has a TV show.



But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.
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--Matthew 24:36

Think about that--not the angels of heaven nor even the Son, even Christ, Himself, is privy to the timing of the End of Days. If that is the case, why should a mere nobody like you or me know, or why should some "minister" or self-styled modern-day "prophet" know? The Father keeps that knowledge entirely to Himself.

For this reason you also must be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will.
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--Matthew 24:36

If you think you know when He is coming, you're probably wrong. Think about that.

I do believe in Biblical prophecy, and on the timing of the Revelation, the Gospel plainly states that we cannot know that time and we cannot predict it.
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In the interests of "prophecy", let me extend upon the portions of Matthew (which are echoed in Mark). One specific sign is mentioned that is a certain sign. It is when the "abomination of desolation" is set up (Matthew 24:15).

What is the "abomination of desolation"? This is a traditional term that we can go back to Daniel for some information. Daniel doesn't say specifically what it is, but he does prophesy who is going to set it up. Daniel writes of a "king of the north". This "king of the north" will, among other things, have no interest in "the desire of women"--won't marry or even date since he's probably too busy doing "important" stuff, devote himself to "a god of fortresses"--he's openly and eagerly pro-military, "many countries will fall"--he will be a very successful military conqueror.

So, who do we know that could be the "king of the north"? Currently, nobody qualifies.
 
Rhonda said:
We agree about much.
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If you have a lot of heart then that is worth more than having the correct view of Revelation. John transcribed Revelation. John coined the word 'antichrist' and said in a letter the antichrist was at work against the church from the very beginning, the greatest foe arose from within to tear apart its unity. Unity is one of the few things that Jesus is recorded to have prayed about specifically.(John 17) If we were supposed to have a leader on earth, then I think this prayer would have reflected that. Perhaps he would not have had to pray it? Since we do not have a leader on earth we have only our opinions about anything except Jesus Christ and him crucified.(2Cor2:20) We resolve to know nothing. Opinions do not bring unity whereas lots of heart does.

Rhonda said:
Jesus did say "when the branch is yet tender and putteth forth leaves (I think) you know that summer is nigh, so likewise when you see all these things know that it is near, even at the door."
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"Know that it is near." Obviously saying "I resolve to know nothing" is only a figure of speech. A person obviously cannot simply stop knowing what they know, can they? I think in terms of unity we know nothing, while on our own it is perfectly fine to know a whole lot of stuff and even to discuss it. This is not as easy as it sounds though is it, "Quietwoman"? Some people think, for the sake of unity and for the work of God, that we must resolve also to say nothing, not just know nothing. I'm not sure I see it that way. Would that not lead to ignorance? What do you think of that? For instance, there is a verse about women being silent in the church. Do you feel that this verse relates somehow to what I am talking about? I feel as if it symbolizes the way believers resolve to know nothing, so it is a symbolic guesture or way for us to remember the lesson about unity. That being said, I do not think women should be silent all of the time and its not clear to me how that verse is supposed to be practically worked out.

I know some fellowships where the women are charged to be silent, yet the churches are isolated in terms of fellowship from other churches. It seems they cannot agree on some very very important doctrines. If the men cannot fellowship together for disagreeing but the women are still charged with being silent, isn't that sort of perverted?
 
Quietwoman said:
HI,

I have been suspicious of this barcode ever since I saw them start putting them on the driver's lliscence ten years ago. I'v heard that every bar code contains three sixes, but have seen some that don't . But still I'm leary of it. Could it be that what ever is on our driver's liscence is spiritualy "in" our hand or forehead, because the King James does say the mark of the Beast will be "in" not on our hand or forehead. Or do we need to look for something else like the verichip or microchip they've come out with? I know some of you don't believe in Biblical prophecy but I see things leading up to it before our eyes today.

Rhonda
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Oh.. My goodness. lol, the barcode is what we call; 'Moving forward in advancement as a specie.' It is a way we can identify, log, manage, sell, keep track of many things, from groceries to new computer or home cinema systems to even loved pets. It is simply one more of or steps forward, which in time will be replaced by a more efficient method. A barcode can contain many numbers Three sixes? Sure... You can find some with three fours, two eights nine sevens..... Whatever you want...

It is a computer/information system... People getting bent out of shape over a number language lol........ I for example... Scanned/booked in over 500 items today... Not one of them had your three sixes, although there have been some in my years of working with the evil barcode!!... It is called odds... Eventually sure there will be your mystical evil pattern of the three numbers lol.

(Oh and what I know of this book, the number is only once. A six, ONE six, it is a representation of imperfection, nothing more nothing less, repeated thrice to drill home you're missing the mark.) That is all... I know there is alot of symbolism in the book and many many many many many sensationalist That love to paint pictures with these words... But 666... Overrated.

"Suspicious of barcodes" lol Sorry just have this mental image of you typing this post with a tin hat on. It happens all the time with current methods of era's... Things certain people did some moons back made them witches, even in a few cases were ego's warranted.... "gods".
 
Dogbrain said:
In the interests of "prophecy", let me extend upon the portions of Matthew (which are echoed in Mark). One specific sign is mentioned that is a certain sign. It is when the "abomination of desolation" is set up (Matthew 24:15).

What is the "abomination of desolation"? This is a traditional term that we can go back to Daniel for some information. Daniel doesn't say specifically what it is, but he does prophesy who is going to set it up. Daniel writes of a "king of the north". This "king of the north" will, among other things, have no interest in "the desire of women"--won't marry or even date since he's probably too busy doing "important" stuff, devote himself to "a god of fortresses"--he's openly and eagerly pro-military, "many countries will fall"--he will be a very successful military conqueror.

So, who do we know that could be the "king of the north"? Currently, nobody qualifies.
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I know from my own study of scripture that the abomination of desolation is the revealing of the AntiChrist or the man of sin. "He sitteth in the temple of God showing himself that he is God." This is also the marker of the Great tribulation spoken of by Christ because Christ also says in Mattew when talking about the abomination of desolation, "when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet (he who readeth let him understand) then let him which is in JUdea flee into the wilderness and he that is on the house top not come down to take anything out of his house and pray that your flight not be on the Sabbath day for then shall be great tribulation .....

I believe scripture teaches this abomination of desolation takes place BEFORE the coming of Christ also the great tribulation.

But we should not fall asleep and say, "Oh the abomination of desolation hasn't taken place yet, I've got nothing to worry about...I can live how I want. The truth is the anti Christ can start marking us before he is even revealed. And the fact that they've come out with a device they can put under the skin to identify us with is an indication that we need to wake up because it can happen in our lifetime! That is not making a prediction of "the day" of Christ's return. That's just being smart.
 
17th Angel said:
Oh.. My goodness. lol, the barcode is what we call; 'Moving forward in advancement as a specie.' It is a way we can identify, log, manage, sell, keep track of many things, from groceries to new computer or home cinema systems to even loved pets. It is simply one more of or steps forward, which in time will be replaced by a more efficient method. A barcode can contain many numbers Three sixes? Sure... You can find some with three fours, two eights nine sevens..... Whatever you want...

It is a computer/information system... People getting bent out of shape over a number language lol........ I for example... Scanned/booked in over 500 items today... Not one of them had your three sixes, although there have been some in my years of working with the evil barcode!!... It is called odds... Eventually sure there will be your mystical evil pattern of the three numbers lol.

(Oh and what I know of this book, the number is only once. A six, ONE six, it is a representation of imperfection, nothing more nothing less, repeated thrice to drill home you're missing the mark.) That is all... I know there is alot of symbolism in the book and many many many many many sensationalist That love to paint pictures with these words... But 666... Overrated.

"Suspicious of barcodes" lol Sorry just have this mental image of you typing this post with a tin hat on. It happens all the time with current methods of era's... Things certain people did some moons back made them witches, even in a few cases were ego's warranted.... "gods".
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It may appear to be harmless, and it may be, but the fact is they ARE used for identification purposes is what makes me suspicious. I didn't say, "hmmm." until they started putting it on the driver's liscence and using them to identify people. Your right, eventualy it will be replaced with something more advanced and useful for the purpose: to mark everyone on the face of the earth. The barcode could be harmless since it's just on a card right now. But it is a shadow of things to come. First on a card (and who can even function or buy and sell right now without the driver's liscence or identification card) next "in the hand or forehead" as scripture has predicted 2,000 years ago.

Rhonda
 
Quietwoman said:
I know from my own study of scripture that the abomination of desolation is the revealing of the AntiChrist or the man of sin. "He sitteth in the temple of God showing himself that he is God."
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So, where is he? Where is the King of the North that Daniel prophesies as setting up the Abomination of Desolation? Where is the great conquerer who publically and openly worships a god of fortresses?

Name the name. Provide the evidence. Sounds to me like you have decided to become a disciple of the false prophets who claim "He is Here!"
 
What is all the fear about this, anyway? After all, isn't the Coming of the Kingdom to be devoutly wished for and sought, not feared and loathed?
 
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Apologies in advance, for what is sure to offend certain people here.

Dogbrain said:
Currently, nobody qualifies.
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It is not my place to interpret the bible, but this prophecy that you posted, seems pretty obvious. I should say first that I dont believe (unlike most Muslims) that Jesus PBUH is returning, nor do I believe in the antichrist myth (both of which IMO contradict the Quran.) But since this prophecy (at least the section that you posted) is not talking any of that, so I'll deal with it. The problem is that it will offend some members on this forum who I respect. But, c'est la vie, I guess.

Take another look at the words, and think in terms of metaphor for institutions:

In the interests of "prophecy", let me extend upon the portions of Matthew (which are echoed in Mark). One specific sign is mentioned that is a certain sign. It is when the "abomination of desolation" is set up (Matthew 24:15).

What is the "abomination of desolation"? This is a traditional term that we can go back to Daniel for some information. Daniel doesn't say specifically what it is, but he does prophesy who is going to set it up. Daniel writes of a "king of the north". This "king of the north" will, among other things, have no interest in "the desire of women"--won't marry or even date since he's probablytoo busy doing "important" stuff, devote himself to "a god of fortresses"--he's openly and eagerly pro-military, "many countries will fall"--he will be a very successful military conqueror.
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... A very specific type of a proverbial BELL should be ringing in the ear, at this point.


For further reading (regarding "open worship" of the god of fortresses):

"The Grand Inquisitor" in
The Brothers Karamazov - by Dostoevsky
 
C0de said:
I should say first that I dont believe (unlike most Muslims) that Jesus PBUH is returning, nor do I believe in the antichrist myth (both of which IMO contradict the Quran.)
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You just made some points with me. Governments and institutions are the scary guys that sometimes try to keep us ignorant and divided.

Extending that idea, I think that no single country or institution is big enough to encompass the idea of antichrist. If you could simply single it out antichrist and destroy it--then we would not have to be fighting it now in our midst. I think it would be wonderfully convenient, but it just isn't that way. We cannot quarantine it. This reminds me of Matthew 13, the parable of the wheat and the tares. What is ahead is simply a long, long, long fight to demolish antichrist all the time every day as long as we are awake. Christians in particular (and I suppose Muslims?) are supposed to keep watch, stay in a continual state of readiness doing everything possible and after having done all to keep doing that.
 
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It's not the institution itself, but the core principle behind the institution. A principle perhaps which shaped certain "schisms" in history? Think about what is unique about that principle. What is the essence of it? Then think about all the other arenas where that same essence prevails.

Once the riddle is decoded, its pretty clear that the only real war that's possible against this "beast" is the one you described. And all others are just there divert your focus from that Kingdom, which is "not of this world."
 
Dogbrain said:
So, where is he? Where is the King of the North that Daniel prophesies as setting up the Abomination of Desolation? Where is the great conquerer who publically and openly worships a god of fortresses?

Name the name. Provide the evidence. Sounds to me like you have decided to become a disciple of the false prophets who claim "He is Here!"
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I don't know who or where the Anti Christ is. Most of the world will believe he IS the messiah when he does come. But I did not get on here to point out who I thought the AntiChrist was. I was talking about the mark of the Beast. Just because the man of sin hasn't appeared on Earth
or revealed himself in the Holy of Hollies or Holy Place does not mean he isn't alive and already working. I think the time is ripe for him to appear on the scene, or the stage is set. Well, we might need a little more fighting going on . Before he does come on the scene it says that he will make a peace treaty with Israel for seven years, and in the middle of those seven years he breaks it, if you've really been reading. I don't know how many signs or how much of Revelation has to transpire either before he shows up, that's because I don't have it all figured out. But I know this...there IS something to this chip implant, it DOES seem to fulfill one prophecy of the scriptures: when talking about something that must be put "in" the hand or forehead, not just a tatoo or something on, but "in"-well your pretty much describing the verichip.

Rhonda
 
Dogbrain said:
What is all the fear about this, anyway? After all, isn't the Coming of the Kingdom to be devoutly wished for and sought, not feared and loathed?
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What I'm fearful of is getting this thing put in me. I do not fear the coming of Christ when I'm doing what is right. Just to hear about this
"verichip" supports my belief in God's Word and makes me want to prepare myself even more for the return of the true Messiah, who's second coming will be after the deception of the false Messiah.
 
c0de said:
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It's not the institution itself, but the core principle behind the institution. A principle perhaps which shaped certain "schisms" in history? Think about what is unique about that principle. What is the essence of it? Then think about all the other arenas where that same essence prevails.

Once the riddle is decoded, its pretty clear that the only real war that's possible against this "beast" is the one you described. And all others are just there divert your focus from that Kingdom, which is "not of this world."
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The only way I'm going to overcome this "beast" or "beasts" if you will described in the book of Revelation is through the the blood of Jesus.
"And they overcame him through the blood of the lamb and the testimony which they held and they loved not their lives unto death."

I'm not sure what you mean about institution scism, or essence. Your maybe talking above my head. I'm just a poor country Texas gal. Can you explain yourself a little better, I mean-put it in laymen's terms?
 
Quietwoman said:
The only way I'm going to overcome this "beast" or "beasts" if you will described in the book of Revelation is through the the blood of Jesus.
"And they overcame him through the blood of the lamb and the testimony which they held and they loved not their lives unto death."

I'm not sure what you mean about institution scism, or essence. Your maybe talking above my head. I'm just a poor country Texas gal. Can you explain yourself a little better, I mean-put it in laymen's terms?
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My dear lady from Texas,

Consider, if you will, the comic nature of this situation. You begin a thread on matters relating to issues beyond the infinite, and then complain about their complexity?

Instead of asking for the matter to be brought down a level, perhaps you should strive to climb up the ladder, no? I suggested a book for "further reading." It might be a good place to start.

After all, is this not a matter worth worth your time and effort? Or would you rather just keep worrying about the barcodes on the milk cartons? ;)

Sincerely yours,

A fan of the 'ol Texan chivalry
 
Quietwoman said:
What I'm fearful of is getting this thing put in me. I do not fear the coming of Christ when I'm doing what is right. Just to hear about this
"verichip" supports my belief in God's Word and makes me want to prepare myself even more for the return of the true Messiah, who's second coming will be after the deception of the false Messiah.
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Consider this, if a "chip" can be put in, it can be dug out. The bible also makes it clear that not everyone will be fooled nor put up with the status quo, and will go into hiding. They will be hunted, but not found.

It will be interesting and exciting times for those remaining...

v/r

Q
 
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