Changing faiths...

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I'm curious to know three things:

1) What religious faith(s) have you left?

2) Why did you decide to leave it/them?

3) To what religion/sect did you convert and why?


All the best,

DS
 
Never really left any.

I've always been an atheist.

And around the age of twenty I picked up Buddhism and haven't set it down since.
 
(1) Christianity (Protestant)
(2) The major or significant doctrines are inherently inconsistent. Also, cannot picture myself being happy in heaven while seeing my parents and others suffering in hell because of their disbelief.
(3) Buddhism. The major doctrines are inherently consistent.
 
1) What religious faith(s) have I left?

--None, yet I have visited many and have considered myself to be an adherent of and believer in many different faiths, over the years. Each of those faiths I "visited" seemed like the "best fit at the time", but, things change, people grow, wisdom is accrued. Yes, you loved those wooden blocks when you were three-years-old, but you don't play with them today, at age thirty-three. That's just the way it is. Often, I would enter a new arena full of enthusiasm only to investigate its boundaries more fully and discover I did not like or agree with what I found when I did my digging. Sometimes that would take years, sometimes mere weeks. I never found the perfection I sought in religion, I think, mainly because that perfection does not exist.

I state that I never "left" any of these religions behind because, depending on the day, or the weather, I may choose to identify, in part, as any one of them, and truthfully mean it. Sometimes I am a witch if being a witch means I offer oblations to a Goddess, communicate with the otherworld and give sick friends herbal medicines. Sometimes I chant the maha-mantra and consider Krsna to be the supreme personality of Godhead. Sometimes I think that Jesus and Buddha were both prophets like Mohammed, and we do God a disservice when we try to define his image and attributes. The aspects of those religions that for me remain treasured and worth upholding are the elements of such I initially found most attractive: they consider the "meta-concepts": ""what does it mean to be a human?" "what is good, and right?", "what is a connection with God/the Universe like?". My investigations taught me about myself, too: "ritual allows me to revel in my own ability to manipulate and control and be God-like", and "I'm infatuated with concepts such as brotherhood, Messiahs, and defining supreme truth".

While I have become annoyed, upset, frustrated, and made cynical by the various faiths I have thought "might be the answer at the time", as a fully-fledged adult I believe I am right to think that, in singularity, none of them are the complete answer, to anything. I also think that while they all feature positive and useful messages, metaphors, and instructions, in their way, and while I am grateful, in my way, to all of those crazy paths and stages as each of them have influenced my current perspectives and make me what and who I am today, I do not believe or agree with all of it, or any one of them, in their entirety. And that's completely rational.

2) Why did you decide to leave it/them?

I wanted to be a catholic priest as a child -- a major turning point for me was discovering that, as a woman, I had no bloody chance of doing that. I believed in Catholicism, Jesus, Mary and the Pope, virgin births and the infallability of Rome simply because I was told it was truth -- it was not an individualistic intellectual consideration that made me a catholic but repetition and rote-learning and immersion in irish catholic culture. At around age... seven... I began to think about the Apostles Creed I recited and came to realise I believed in very little of it and stopped reciting the bits I did not agree with. I knew that, for me, Catholicism wasn't "the true way", but, unable to comprehend what a true way would look like, I could do little else to protest than rebel...

I didn't have Anton Le Vey's Satanic Bible and the w.w.w. to instruct me, so I decided to be a little bugger instead. I adorned the virgin mary in the refectory with a garland of knotted tampons, I sang "walk in dog ****e" instead of "walk in the light", and I generally caused offense to all the holy rollers I could, and I spent around three years pretending to be "the anti-christ". I grew out of that when I realised my low-level "kiddie-satanism" wasn't actually good enough to count and, if I really wanted to be "the devil incarnate" that various priests, teachers and authority figures told me I was, then I had to perform activities I did not think were ethical or "right".

So, I became a witch; prayed to a Goddess, did minor pentagram rituals and candlemagicks. This was also acceptable rebellion within my culture, and appealed to me as a young feminist with vague notions of sacred femininity and a love of patchouli oil and Fleetwood Mac albums. My fanaticism did not last; mainly because I discovered that much of it was cold meats left over from previous buffets.

I thought maybe I could be a gnostic; believe in a totality of God, as an asexual spirit. I could still perform rituals and pray, and I could still be swept away by great winds, but their God was not mine.

I had a phase where I became a student of the kabbalah and a practitioner of the "ars notoria" of the western mystery tradition, got bored of it when I realised that most of it was just reheated cabbage originally cooked up by ancient philosophers and archaic religions I, as a white, working class urbanite, had yet to be exposed to.

I went back to Jesus, after that, and became a born-again Christian ( a new version of the same old story), but found the same patriarchal miseries I'd found first time around in catholicism. I flirted with Krsna for a while but decided that it wasn't much different for a woman there as within traditional christianity, even if the outfits and the food was better, and, eventually... I discovered buddhism, and found that I liked it best, intellectually, as a doctrine. It's not perfect, as a religion, as none of them are, but as a philosophy its damn near perfect. For the past... 18 years I have usually identified myself as a buddhist, of various flavours, and today I would describe myself as a ... non-traditional buddhist, and a buddhist who also carries a bag filled with a hotch-potch of non-buddhist rituals and tenets she is able and willing to dig into should the need or desire to do so arise.

4) To what religion/sect did you convert and why?

I have never converted. I am/have been... a catholic (indoctrinated: gven the religion of my family), a satanist (rebellion: in opposition to the religion of my family), a witch, (beginning to balance the extremes of indoctrination and rebellion), a gnostic (sliding backwards/ reconciliation with indoctrination phase), a student of the kabbalah and a practitioner of the "ars notoria" of the western mystery tradition, (sliding backwards/reconcilliation with rebellion phase), a born-again Christian, a devotee of Krsna (returning to a messiah-figure after the "self-propulsion of magic"), and, eventually... I took up the robes, metaphorically speaking. To convert, though, suggests you ... give up, denigrate, replace, subvert, one with another. I don't think I've ever done that.

Recently, in the past few months, I have discovered a reemergence of buddhist fevour, and have decided to wait a year, and, if I still am inclined to, deliver a series of lectures, in my version of buddhism, in my local area. Why? I am unsure. I suspect it is because I do not feel... whole... without identifying as a person with firm religious convictions, of some description, and I am also, psychologically, a classic overachiever... Part of me also believes that I have... a good take on it, and if people are going to look into it anyway, they may as well hear what I have to say about it, too. I also feel that, whilst I have become disillusioned over the years with different faiths for diferent reasons, buddhism was the only one of them all that was actually USEFUL.
 
Which ones have I left? Take a big sheet write them all down nicely in capital letters... Tear into small bits chuck them all in one big nice bucket.... Then randomly pull one out. Why did I leave them no idea..... Perhaps "not feeling" that feeling perhaps I am just a curious soul... Like the disturbed kid.... Down in a dark dingey basment playing and evaluating with the insides of something to see what it really is and how it works. No idea.... Current status: no affiliation. Pending contracts: Most likely Amish or those crazy Texans that catch rattle snakes.
 
I left Islam after converting for marriage, I left because I got fed up of hate filled muslims telling me **** about the kuffar, I realise now that Islam is pretty vast and the hate filled muslims have got their religion totally wrong.

then I reached a point in my life where I was struggling with things, I had been reading the Bible on Bob Marleys instruction " a chapter a day is the Rasta Way" and prayed and asked Jesus to help a few weeks later God spoke to me and thats it really been a Christian ever since although I am interested in other spiritualities as well.
 
While I have become annoyed, upset, frustrated, and made cynical by the various faiths I have thought "might be the answer at the time", as a fully-fledged adult I believe I am right to think that, in singularity, none of them are the complete answer, to anything. I also think that while they all feature positive and useful messages, metaphors, and instructions,...I do not believe or agree with all of it, or any one of them, in their entirety.

We are cut from the same cloth, you and I. :D

I have not joined multiple churches to dip my toes in the waters of various faiths. But I have studied the beliefs of too many religions/sects to count. And like you, I find pieces of truth within each of them. But I also see every religion as missing pieces of the Truth.
 
I left Islam after converting for marriage, I left because I got fed up of hate filled muslims telling me **** about the kuffar, I realise now that Islam is pretty vast and the hate filled muslims have got their religion totally wrong.

Any religion's adherent who is hate-filled is missing the mark. Fred Phelps--and others of like ilk--come to mind in terms of Christianity. :mad:
 
I'm curious to know three things:

1) What religious faith(s) have you left?

2) Why did you decide to leave it/them?

3) To what religion/sect did you convert and why?


All the best,

DS
I left the Catholic church when I was 18, mostly because the family got caught up in the "Charismatic Catholic" movement, and I wanted no part of it. After about 8 years serving in the military (and a sad divorce), my uncle (a priest) talked with me about life, growing, struggling, doubt, hipocracy...ya know, the classics. I told him about the arrogant priests and Brothers (monks) that I had run ins with (damning me to hell and all that crap), nearly beat the stuffing out of the *******s, when he grinned and said "The best thing a priest can ever hope for, is to be human." I realized he was right, the priest doesn't make the faith, the people do, I do.

So I came back, only under my terms, and with a great deal more education on what exactly the Catholic church means. I also began to study at length, other beliefs, at least to have a common reference when speaking with people that thought different than me.

So I guess I didn't change faiths, just had a sabbatical from mine for a time. :)
 
I haven't so much left prior religious faiths as embraced what it was in them that fashioned me into a better, more loving human being and then moved on. I'm not much of a joiner, I suppose, though I've unsuccessfully tried it out.

I did eventually quit attempting to take Christian as a label for myself, but it was not so much "leaving" as simply realizing most would not accept my spiritual path as Christianity. It had the presence of Christ, but over time I found the doctrines and churchianity dissonant with my own experience (and frequently internally incoherent), so I dropped them. I realized that many, perhaps most, Christians are mostly concerned with what I believe for determining if I'm "in" or "out." I grew tired of playing the game of persuading Christians I was Christian.

So I took Christ with me into Paganism and that is all. I don't consider myself any religion but my own. My own spiritual path is informed by more than a decade of study of various religions, not as a practitioner of them all, but through a secular social science/humanities worldview combined with my mystical experience. Paganism is the only umbrella broad enough to encompass my own path, but I don't consider it to be my religion- more like a nod to being Nature-centered and focused on divine immanence. Big influences include the gospels, Buddhism, Druidry and other Celtic spirituality stuff, Feri, and a wide variety of ethnographies I've read on animist, shamanic traditions.

I've found wisdom and beauty in every religion I've studied (the big five plus quite a few more)... as well as pain, suffering, and intolerance. I figure it's human nature. We seem to seek the Divine, and then write gorgeous poetry and wise sayings about what we experience, only to have later human beings twist our words into something useable for atrocity.

I believe this ego-centric, harmful nature can be transformed. I believe that human beings have a far greater potential than they usually realize.

My path is to attempt to stay firmly in the realm of connectedness to the Divine and let that flow into my everyday life- in essence, to sanctify every moment. I seek to birth my soul into total communion with, and service to, the Divine that flows through the universe. No matter how long it takes (if it ever occurs), I feel duty-bound to this purpose, and it brings me great joy- at times bliss- to work through this process. I try to focus on that, and forget the labels, which seem more often to bring harm to humanity than good.
 
I left the Catholic church for many reasons. (If anyone wants a list, feel free to ask.)

I am now a Theosophist. I like Theosophy because it makes total sense to me. It is the first belief system I have encountered that makes total sense to me.
 
my uncle (a priest) talked with me about life, growing, struggling, doubt, hipocracy...ya know, the classics.

Hypocracy..... was that a deliberate spelling mistake? Did you mean hypocrisy or a religious-political system with hypocrisy in it ("hypocracy", not sure if that's even a word)?

I told him about the arrogant priests and Brothers (monks) that I had run ins with (damning me to hell and all that crap), nearly beat the stuffing out of the *******s, when he grinned and said "The best thing a priest can ever hope for, is to be human." I realized he was right, the priest doesn't make the faith, the people do, I do.

Some priests and pastors obviously aren't very human.:p I've seen ones that resemble crocodiles, alligators, lions, turtles and snakes. Some of them look like they came from outer space. A lot of them looked like cold-blooded reptiles. That is why many of the animals I named here are reptiles.

Yeah, I agree. Christianity is not in the New Testament. Christianity is in us when we understand what the NT is trying to tell us to do (or remember). We are supposed to lift it out of the books and into the world. IMAO, I am Christianity. Every Christian is an individual embodiment of Christianity. The Logos became flesh and dwelt among us. If there are problems in Christianity, if there is something wrong with Christianity, then we must all try to reform/fix it.

Christianity doesn't provide answers. People provide answers. We are supposed to create the answers. Christianity goes down the wrong road when people assume the answers are already there. No, just like a marriage, it takes work. When there is no love in a marriage, the marriage stops working. When a Christian runs out of answers, Christianity stops working.

Too many Christians follow someone else's script rather than writing their own. I for one write my own script.

So I came back, only under my terms, and with a great deal more education on what exactly the Catholic church means. I also began to study at length, other beliefs, at least to have a common reference when speaking with people that thought different than me.

I have come to think that what Christianity means (or was supposed to be) is not what other Christians say it is or was, particularly not what it is commonly thought to be.

So I guess I didn't change faiths, just had a sabbatical from mine for a time. :)

Good on you Jonah!! The Nineveh church always deserved a bit of mercy from our high standards.
 
Namaste all,

Great OP questions and answers and commentary!

I was born a Christian....left disconcerted with fire and brimstone and don't ask any questions...

Started asking questions, lots of them, and exploring...leaned atheist, well into agnostic...before I found a home as a follower of the path of Jesus.

But along the way and since...I'd like to say I honor them all, paths that is, but some I just can't...but most I do.
 
Hypocracy..... was that a deliberate spelling mistake? Did you mean hypocrisy or a religious-political system with hypocrisy in it ("hypocracy", not sure if that's even a word)?
Ok ok, it was phonetic, and I didn't take time to spell check...:p

And I meant hypocrisy in general, but clerics in particular (people, not the institution).
 
I'm curious to know three things:

1) What religious faith(s) have you left?

2) Why did you decide to leave it/them?

3) To what religion/sect did you convert and why?


All the best,

DS

I was rasied in Christianity and particularly as a Baptist.. Later I also explored the Religious Society of Friends and the Episcopal Church..

Around 1965 I read some Baha'i books in the library and decided that it was the right combination of mystical and social teachings I was looking for.. Also by becoming a Baha'i I also accepted the previous Messengers of God so I didn't feel I was denying any of Them..
 
I have been a charismatic trinitarian and then later a very non charismatic non trinitarian. Those count as my first two conversions. Both practiced exclusion in their communion, limiting it to people who affirmed a concoction of correct beliefs; and both discouraged marriage to outsiders. Due to my beliefs I have led an isolated life, so friends have been rare and special. We all need friends, but for religious reasons I've given up or lost important friends and squandered many potential friendships. After realizing these mistakes I hate formal conversion and will never outwardly 'Convert' again. I am a human being who has been wrong multiple times and will be wrong. Converting would be like denying that and would be dishonest.
 
I am curious: Why would you like to see a list of my criticisms of Catholicism?

I can think of three reasons:

1) You've previously offered to share your list. :D

2) I'm curious to see how your list compares to my own with regards to the Catholic faith.

3) I simply enjoy learning about people's religious and/or spiritual experiences. Everyone's approach to God fascinates me to no end.

DS
 
Due to my beliefs I have led an isolated life, so friends have been rare and special. We all need friends, but for religious reasons I've given up or lost important friends and squandered many potential friendships. After realizing these mistakes I hate formal conversion and will never outwardly 'Convert' again. I am a human being who has been wrong multiple times and will be wrong. Converting would be like denying that and would be dishonest.

I could have written this statement; so I understand your quandry.
 
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