Net dating - anyone tried it?

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Apparently millions do, and there is a lot of money in the market, and a lot of competition.

I wonder if anyone on here has tried one, and what your experience was.

Did you think it was worth the money?

Did you meet many people from it?

Were the people a bit odd - :D?

What was your personal experience of the sites, how the operate their business, and the people they attract?
 
Yeah. I met my fiancee on Yahoo's Match.com. We're getting married May 28.

When I found out I was getting divorced I didn't know how to go about finding someone to date. I was pretty skeptical of online dating services as you might imagine. My plan A was to go to one of those mega churches, wave my hands around in the air, and look for single women. I didn't really like the idea of faking religion, though. I was still living in the house, holed up in the spare bedroom, and I had a lot of time on my hands in the evenings given the frosty environment and my desire not to interact at all with my soon to be ex.

To make a long story short, I stumbled onto Match after checking out a couple of other sites that seemed to be inhabited by hookers and various other internet predators. It actually is free to try. You have to fill out a skeleton profile on yourself, and you can't contact anyone, but you can use all the search functions and check out all the available members for free. Of course there were hookers, visa seekers, gold diggers, and etc. You can parse a person's bio and figure out what they're looking for pretty easily. If it's a woman who describes herself as 26 looking for men between the ages of 18 and 88, well...that kind of tells you something right there. But I also found lots and lots of really attractive women who seemed to be genuinely searching for a nice guy. I mean lots. I think it costs about 30 USD per month, but they have package deals. I paid $60 for three months, found a woman who is a perfect match for me, dated her, met her kids, and now we're getting married.

Look, I don't plug stuff. This worked for me and it was well worth the money, that's all I can say.

Chris
 
Everyone loves lovers. congrats to Chris and the soon to be new Mrs CCSunflower.
Like Chris said, I think its ok, its just a modern version of penpals etc (to me). Also, just like in the real world, people lie. They may post a pic of them 10 years ago etc, or something like that. The ads for some of them seem really genuine. Oh, you should pm Muslim woman (seriously). She doesnt "cruise" those sites but she is incredibly well informed about them.

Love the Grey
 
Yeah. I met my fiancee on Yahoo's Match.com. We're getting married May 28.

When I found out I was getting divorced I didn't know how to go about finding someone to date. I was pretty skeptical of online dating services as you might imagine. My plan A was to go to one of those mega churches, wave my hands around in the air, and look for single women. I didn't really like the idea of faking religion, though. I was still living in the house, holed up in the spare bedroom, and I had a lot of time on my hands in the evenings given the frosty environment and my desire not to interact at all with my soon to be ex.

To make a long story short, I stumbled onto Match after checking out a couple of other sites that seemed to be inhabited by hookers and various other internet predators. It actually is free to try. You have to fill out a skeleton profile on yourself, and you can't contact anyone, but you can use all the search functions and check out all the available members for free. Of course there were hookers, visa seekers, gold diggers, and etc. You can parse a person's bio and figure out what they're looking for pretty easily. If it's a woman who describes herself as 26 looking for men between the ages of 18 and 88, well...that kind of tells you something right there. But I also found lots and lots of really attractive women who seemed to be genuinely searching for a nice guy. I mean lots. I think it costs about 30 USD per month, but they have package deals. I paid $60 for three months, found a woman who is a perfect match for me, dated her, met her kids, and now we're getting married.

Look, I don't plug stuff. This worked for me and it was well worth the money, that's all I can say.

Chris

Wow, Chris = Congrats!

You are about the only person I have ever heard speak in favour, let alone have this level of success from it.

There are two kinds of site - the paid for and the free. Some of the paid for sites, including Match I believe, were investigated for what I would call sharp practice.

For example, they would generate fake profiles with a really nice pic, just to reel people into using the site.

Or they would misquote their membership during advertising, failing to make clear that their quoted membership base included 'dead' profiles, or those who were not paid members (so cannot reply).

I do not see anything wrong in it at all, but from those I reviewed, there seems to be a theme of there being a higher than average % of both time wasters and the emotionally damaged.

So it is always pleasing to hear of a success story.
 
Enlightenment,

I've done the Internet dating thing, and I have two pieces of advice. First, many people make the mistake of sending a large number of messages back and forth before they meet. It is better to only send three or four messages, then arrange to meet the other person.

Second, it tends to get too serious too fast. People tend to jump right into serious dating right away. That forces the relationship to develop too quickly. Instead, the best thing to do is to find a way to get to know each other slowly, and avoid the pressure of rushing into something too quickly, which seems to be an inherent danger in Internet dating.
 
Wow, Chris = Congrats!

You are about the only person I have ever heard speak in favour, let alone have this level of success from it.

There are two kinds of site - the paid for and the free. Some of the paid for sites, including Match I believe, were investigated for what I would call sharp practice.

For example, they would generate fake profiles with a really nice pic, just to reel people into using the site.

Or they would misquote their membership during advertising, failing to make clear that their quoted membership base included 'dead' profiles, or those who were not paid members (so cannot reply).

I do not see anything wrong in it at all, but from those I reviewed, there seems to be a theme of there being a higher than average % of both time wasters and the emotionally damaged.

So it is always pleasing to hear of a success story.

I hadn't heard about all of that, but I think any fairly intelligent person has to have a goodly portion of skepticism when it comes to any sort of e-commerce- and especially dating over the internet.

I'll tell you a little about the Match.com experience and make several observations based solely on my limited experience. Match has a number of pretty cool features. I especially liked the customizable search options. You can narrow your search to within five miles of your zip code. I don't know what the UK equivalent of that would be. And, you can select an age, body type(s), and height range. You can narrow your search by occupation, income range, political orientation etc. Match has an internal e-mail and IM system, so you don't have to give out your private e-mail or IM address. Also, Match shows you when a person's last activity on site was, so that eliminates "dead" members. Match has a number of features that egg you toward making contact. You get to see who has viewed your profile and vice versa. There is also a "wink" feature where people who are too shy to message you, for whatever reason, can wink at you to show they're interested. The wink feature is available to non-paying lurkers as well, so it's probably a way to get them to sign up if they want to contact someone who seems interested, or find out if someone they're interested in has a mutual attraction. I found the winkies a bit lame, but I got winked at a bunch when I was still just lurking, and that had a lot to do with me signing up, I guess.

I think that dating in your forties and fifties is probably a lot different than dating in your twenties and early thirties. Middle aged folks don't want to waste time beating around the bush, so to speak. I'm 47, but I got a late start and have kids 8 and 10. I was looking for a woman with kids close to my girls age who wanted to do the family thing. I wrote my bio with an eye toward attracting the type of woman I was looking for. So I emphasized faithfulness, long-term employment, commitment, sense of humor, the fact that I come straight home after work and don't hang out at the bar, that I'm even tempered and don't raise my voice... stuff like that. I got a ton of responses. One thing I hadn't considered is that tall women are looking for tall men. I'm very tall, so tall girls with their search parameters set to find tall men were automatically routed to me!

It's not very hard to parse people down from their profiles. If your profile says you're looking for a man with "financial stability" and you want to be treated "like a lady" that screams gold digger. If you describe yourself as "highly motivated", you live at the gym, your life is "so full of wonderful friends and family", but you have a tiny sliver left for "that special man" who likes to take walks on the beach, accompany you to the ballet, charity auctions, and wine tastings, well... you're too high maintenance for this country boy. At my age it kind of breaks down like this: Hookers, visa seekers, cast off high maintenance "starter wives" (they have to work out like hell to compete with the old man's secretary), hopeless romantics who want a pen pal, 300 pound potato chip eatin' soap opera addicts who can't get off the couch and are looking for someone to "love them for what they are," empty nesters of several flavors who just want to fu**, have fun, and travel, and single mom's of various stripes. I was looking for the latter.

There's a feature in Match that helps you write your profile. I never checked it out, but I started to think that a lot of the women I saw had used it because their bio's were pretty cookie cutter after you'd read a few dozen of them. The whole "moonlight walks on the beach" and "curl up with a good book" thing started to crack me up. I thought "it's too bad you're not a lesbian, because I could introduce you to fifty other women who are looking for someone exactly like you- but with a penis!" I think that many women are unaware of how the innocuous sounding stuff they put in their bio scares the crap out of men. I never looked at the competition, well, because you can see who views you, but I imagine the men are just as rediculous.

I agree with Nick. I didn't want a pen pal or texty pal. I met a number of really nice women who didn't seem to want to actually meet in person. I would suggest the following approach: two, three, maybe four internal e-mails. Then ask them to switch to your real e-mail address. After about the same amount of regular e-mails a phone call is in order. If that goes well suggest a physical meet up someplace public (so they, or you, can scream for help if you/they are a total psycho). A coffee shop or wine bar is a good option. If everything checks out it's time for a real date. But at this point you have to realize that you really don't even know this person. Thanks to the magic of the internet you've skipped merrily past a process of getting to know each other that normally takes months or years, so it's time to slow things down if you're really interested. I dated Kelly for several months before either of us was comfortable bringing our kids into the equation. That's reasonable I think. OTOH, a lot of people are just looking to screw. Nothing wrong with that, you just need to be clear on what you want. I wanted a long term relationship.

I did meet up with a number of different people, and corresponded with quite a few more that didn't pan out. You kind of have to be willing to put yourself out there. That wasn't entirely easy for me. It did occur to me that if I was a player I could save, and then cut and paste my responses to women and just change the name since the get-to-know-you process is pretty standard, but I don't multi-task well enough for that and it made me feel dishonest.

Well, that's a slice.

Chris
 
Everyone loves lovers. congrats to Chris and the soon to be new Mrs CCSunflower.
Like Chris said, I think its ok, its just a modern version of penpals etc (to me). Also, just like in the real world, people lie. They may post a pic of them 10 years ago etc, or something like that. The ads for some of them seem really genuine. Oh, you should pm Muslim woman (seriously). She doesnt "cruise" those sites but she is incredibly well informed about them.

Love the Grey

Thank you! It's wonderful that you and the Que ball were able to meet here at good ole' IO! You know, I was so beat down at the end of my marriage that I had barely any self-esteem to scrape together. I thought "who would want me?" I was shocked to find that there was a whole universe of really nice women who were just looking for a nice, straight-up, family oriented guy who wasn't interested in playing the field, had a job, and wouldn't physically or verbally abuse them. I never expected to find "the one." I'm still utterly amazed at how well it's all worked out.

Chris
 
It's good that you had this positive experience, Chris, I get the feeling though that for every story like this, there are a hundred or more who would tell a v different story!

Most of those search features on Match are pretty standard for a dating site, albeit the narrower you make your choices, the less selections will appear. The downside of it, compared to real life, is that people may browse a profile, and discount someone based on a thing that they would not have always had an issue with, had they met them in a bar or by chance. There is something clinical in all these filters and drop down bars, none of which even save you from being matched up with what looks to be the cast of the Addams Family! ;)

For example, I might ask for a girl between 30-38, okay? And the filter will seek women in that range. Silly. What if I met a women I got on great with, in bar, and found out she was 39? Or 29? I am not going to change, just because she is one year out my range, either side. It is too formulaic, net dating, imo.

It works when women have a profile and mention kids. Men might flick on. But had they gotten to like them in real life, the fact that they had kids may not have been an issue, if you see what I mean?

Some sites have been criticised for marketing themselves as being 'free', when what is really free is to register your information. This will also permit you to browse, but of course, if you want to send any messages (which is sort of key), then you have to pay for a sub.

If that does not tempt you, another ploy, is that you will suddenly get mail telling you that you have X number of messages waiting to be read.

Some have been fooled by this, and join up to see what lovely people have been sending them messages, only to find that most of their are admin messages, basically trash.

The problem for net dating sites is that they operate to no apparent code of ethics, a bit like tarot card readers!

One thing is certain, it is big business, which is how they can afford such big ad campaigns, of course.

In some ways I think it good be okay, in other ways I feel that it actually lends itself to the isolation of some people.

Way before net dating was around, is there an argument for saying we would have had to have gone out, made the effort to meet people, and with net dating, there is that absence of effort?
 
Some common things...


There can be a variety of problems when utilizing online dating sites.
  • Some sites expect members to subscribe "blind," meaning that users have little or no ability to search or preview the available profiles before they pay the subscription fee.
  • A majority of dating sites state profiles as online for months or even years since the last time the person has logged in, thereby making it seem as though there are more available members than there actually are. In addition, a site will often advertise the number of "registered members" while having only a fraction of that many active users.
  • For paying members, it is often unclear whether a potential contact has a full subscription and whether he or she will be able to reply. Some sites prevent a potential contact from even reading a paying member's messages unless the contact has also paid to subscribe. There are still, however, a few established free dating sites that allow non-paid-up users to reply to messages.
  • Some sites require that both the sender and recipient of messages be subscribers before any off-site communication or contact can be arranged, and will filter messages to remove email addresses, telephone numbers, web addresses and surnames. Subscribers who attempt to circumvent this restriction may lose their membership and be removed from the site.
  • Some profiles may not represent actual daters, but are "bait profiles" that have been placed there by the site owners to attract new paying members. Both Yahoo Personals and Match.com have received several complaints about this tactic. Some users spam sites with "fake" profiles that are in reality advertisements to other services, such as prostitution, multi-level marketing, or other personals websites.
  • Even when members' profiles are "real", there is still an inherent lack of trust with other members. Married people seeking affairs will often pose as singles. In addition, many members misrepresent themselves by telling flattering 'white lies' about their height, weight and age, or by using old and misleading photos. Members can, of course, ask for an up-to-date photograph before arranging a meeting, but disappointments are common. Matrimonials Sites are a variant of online dating sites, and these are geared towards meeting people for the purpose of getting married. Gross misrepresentation is less likely on these sites than on 'casual dating' sites. Casual dating sites are often geared more towards short term (potentially sexual) relationships.
  • Online predators find online dating sites especially attractive, because such sites give them an unending supply of new targets of opportunity for Internet fraud. A recent study, led by Dr. Paige Padgett from the University of Texas Health Science Center, found that there was a false degree of safety assumed by women looking for love on the internet, exposing them to stalking, fraud, and sexual violence.[18] Some online dating sites conduct background checks on their members in an attempt to avoid problems of this nature.
  • Most members are enticed to join dating websites with free or low-priced "trial" memberships advertised on many other websites. On sites which require credit card information to join at all, these trial memberships may automatically become full memberships at the end of the trial period and charge the full monthly fee, without any additional action from the member, regardless of whether the member has actually used the services or not.
  • Some members have expressed complaints about the billing practices of certain dating sites. In some cases, trial memberships that were canceled within the trial period were automatically re-billed even after canceling. To avoid these potential problems, some users have advised using a virtual credit card number which is offered by several credit card companies.
  • On any given dating site, the sex ratio is commonly unbalanced. A website may have 2 women for every man, but they may be in the 35+ range, while the men are generally under 35. Unfortunately, little is known about the sex ratio controlled for age. eHarmony's membership is about 58% female and 42% male[citation needed], whereas the ratio at Match.com is about the reverse of that. When you get into the specialty niche websites where the primary demographic is male, you typically get a very unbalanced ratio of male to female or female to male.[19] Niche sites cater to people with special interests, such as sports fans, racing and automotive fans, medical or other professionals, people with political or religious preferences (e.g. Hindu, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, etc.), people with medical conditions (e.g. HIV+, obese), or those living in rural farm communities.
  • There is some evidence that there may be a difference on how women online rate male attractiveness as opposed to how men rate female attractiveness. The distribution of ratings given by men of female attractiveness appears to look like a standard bell curve (normal distribution), while ratings of men given by women is highly skewed with 80% of the men rated as below average.[20] This shows women are genuinely more picky than men when it comes to online dating. It could also potentially arise from women assessing other profile characteristics besides appearance, like their occupation for example.
  • Disreputable sites such as Quechup may harvest users' personal information and contacts for use in e-mail spam.[21]
  • Consolidation within the online dating industry has led to different newspapers and magazines now advertising the same website data base under different names. In the UK, for example, Time Out ('London Dating'), The Times ('Encounters'), The Daily Telegraph ('Kindred Spirits'), all offer differently named portals to the same service—meaning that a person who subscribes through more than one publication has unwittingly paid more than once for access to just one site.
  • In December 2010, a New York State Law called the "Internet Dating Safety Act" (S5180-A)[22] went into effect that requires online dating sites with customers in New York State to warn users not to disclose personal information to people they do not know.
 
Right. All good points, Enlightenment. I think maybe I just got extremely lucky. OTOH, most of the people on there were genuinely looking for someone in whatever capacity. I have a very small group of friends. I don't work with any eligible women; didn't know any, and didn't know how to meet any. I don't know how you go about meeting someone when you don't know anyone and don't have any prospects. What, the laundromat or the grocery store...just trying to start a conversation from nothing? At least I knew that the women on Match were invested to some degree. They wanted something or the wouldn't have been there in the first place. I'm still skeptical of the whole damn thing. I just can't believe my luck.

Chris
 
In retrospect, there were a number of women who tried to scam me. I might be lucky, but I'm pretty wily. Of the women I "met", I'd say a third were scammers, a third weren't amenable to actually meeting, and a third had genuine potential. Every woman I actually, physically met lived up to her pictures and profile. My fiancee Kelly is a second grade and Sunday school teacher, owns her own home, and doesn't have a penis taped back behind her legs. She's super smart, tall, beautiful, a terrific mom, politically liberal like me, and just a fantastic catch. So whatever negatives- here's the positive: I couldn't have done better in a million years. Maybe that's the exception, but it's my real experience.

Chris
 
I have laughed my socks off, China Cat... and who would've thought you were such a handsome American chap -- I thought you was a lady, and kept a million cats...

Enlightenment:

I have used dating sites... Just for sport... I am not interested in a L/T relationship, or hooking up for sexy times... I just... play. I create personas, and see what I get in response. I'm a writer, and it's a creative thing, for me.

I never bother paying subscription fees -- I use free trials as, I'm just playing. I am still registered at several sites, and have no activity at all.

The majority of contacts I have had at such sites have been... normal guys looking for ladies. That's it. No stalkers, no wierdos, just ... people wanting to meet other people. Most people seem... pretty average (no offense meant, ppl!). You can usually tell the desperate, needy, and weird within a few strokes.

There are rules, though... Never get a lift off a date. Never leave drinks unattended. Always tell someone where you're going and check in with a friend during and after the date. Never reveal personal information. Just the same rules we all have to live by, with realtime or cyberdates.
 
Hey congrats Chris :D:D I pray you will both be very happy together. If your demeanour on this forum is anything to go by, she got one of the good guys ;)

Oh heavens, as I run a dating site I could bore you all to death on the subject of internet dating and how NOT to do it. Can it work? My brother has been married for about 6 years to someone he met online and every one of my websites moderates have met and either live with or marriede to someone from the site ... so yes it can work, if you go about it the right way.
 
Chris,

My wife and I have been together for nearly seven years now and we were married in Oct of 05. We are so in love and loyal to each other it might be sickening for people to watch.
I take very good care of her and make sure she is happy and the same is given in return.

We met on Match.com
So good on ya buddy!

Mark
 
Chris,

My wife and I have been together for nearly seven years now and we were married in Oct of 05. We are so in love and loyal to each other it might be sickening for people to watch.
I take very good care of her and make sure she is happy and the same is given in return.

We met on Match.com
So good on ya buddy!

Mark

And yet there are so many terrible reviews of it, for all it's supposed glitz and features.

The billing method, for one thing, was soundly criticised, and so was the fact that paid members do not know if the person they are sending a message to is a fully paid member or not. If it is the latter, then they are wasting their time, as the person cannot reply.
 
Chris,

My wife and I have been together for nearly seven years now and we were married in Oct of 05. We are so in love and loyal to each other it might be sickening for people to watch.
I take very good care of her and make sure she is happy and the same is given in return.

We met on Match.com
So good on ya buddy!

Mark
Right on, Mark! That's great to hear. I'm so happy these days. Love is wonderful!

Chris
 
And yet there are so many terrible reviews of it, for all it's supposed glitz and features.

The billing method, for one thing, was soundly criticised, and so was the fact that paid members do not know if the person they are sending a message to is a fully paid member or not. If it is the latter, then they are wasting their time, as the person cannot reply.

Right, you have to cancel at the end of your commitment or they will continue to bill your card.

Chris
 
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