What it means to be a spiritual person?

luecy7 said:
Only if we agreed to, or we disagree but one of us submits, over-powers, or fools the other. One of us may wish to brake, or spin the other direction. An object can spin but it has to be driven to spin, and it has to be driven to stop spinning. The rotational inertia is similar to forward inertia.
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However you wish to spin it.
{communication breakdown}
 
seattlegal said:
However you wish to spin it.
{communication breakdown}
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If someone is preferring a communication breakdown, there will be one. Someone may also not have the experience to relate, or the language to communicate, or the interest to.

seattlegal said:
Does Nimrod and the Tower of Babel ring a bell? Was that project "spiritual?"
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It definitely sounds like it involved an interaction between spirits. You agree?
 
It is just a word. If a person is attached to asceticism, atheism, or thinks that meditation, contemplation, or attending church lectures is sufficient to being 'spiritual' or 'enlightened', then they probably won't find it palatable for anyone to suggest that the nature of their involvement in activity with their relationships with others is where their spiritual health is, and to even differentiate physical from spiritual. Trusting someone, having faith in them, loving, charity, serving, honesty, confession, forgiveness, deeds, patience, communication, and especially prayer... these involve at least two: a real, tangible, physical relationship between at least two. If someone's 'spirituality' is their personally chosen mental masturbation, scientific or mystical nature walk, then I wish them the best of luck with that but I do speak against their desires. Just because a person is not doing evil deeds with ravenous evil thoughts, does not mean they are doing or being any good either.

I see the difference in the result of taking a path by oneself, versus the result of taking a path together. Do you? Perhaps trying to work together, the tires do get smeared across the highway, but we adapt and learn how to deal with each other's evil, and hopefully see and correct our own. No amount of mental masturbation in the corner will substitute for that experience.
 
seattlegal said:
I see better relationships to be a benefit of spirituality, which is not the same as saying that it is spirituality.
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I differentiate the physical which we can see or measure, from the spirit that we cannot see directly, but that we can get to know through interaction. I did not say that a relationship is spirituality. There is a physical relationship, and there is a spiritual relationship.

It is just a word though, so let the word be whatever you desire. If in the absence of relationships, where do you see or experience spirituality?
 
seattlegal said:
I see better relationships to be a benefit of spirituality, which is not the same as saying that it is spirituality.
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Gotta hand it to you SG, you have a ton of patience and stamina. you and Path Of One get my vote for site Bodisattva :)
 
Paladin said:
Gotta hand it to you SG, you have a ton of patience and stamina. you and Path Of One get my vote for site Bodisattva :)
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Unless SG has severe arthritis, your measure of patience and stamina are an insult, disguised as a compliment. Are you unhappy with something, or is that just your measure of patience and stamina?
 
luecy7 said:
Unless SG has severe arthritis, your measure of patience and stamina are an insult, disguised as a compliment. Are you unhappy with something, or is that just your measure of patience and stamina?
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So funny! But seriously SG and I have known each other for quite a few years now.
But don't let that stop you from rambling on!
 
Paladin said:
So funny! But seriously SG and I have known each other for quite a few years now.
But don't let that stop you from rambling on!
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I am very relieved to hear that you have known each other in person, for truly knowing someone is far more than hearing what they have said.
 
luecy7 said:
It is just a word though, so let the word be whatever you desire. If in the absence of relationships, where do you see or experience spirituality?
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Hmm, would you consider being surrounded by the miraculousness of that which we call the mundane to be relational?
 
seattlegal said:
Hmm, would you consider being surrounded by the miraculousness of that which we call the mundane to be relational?
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What do we call mundane, yet consider miraculous?

I note that the word 'relational' is often applied to physical connection, as in a relational database.
 
seattlegal said:
subjectivity / objectivity
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One person's objectivity is another person's subjectivity, and one person's subjectivity is another person's objectivity. As you tell me that you have a son or a husband, I am sure that it is objective for you, but hearing of it, though I believe you, it is subjective.

Many will claim that their path and results are objective, but that our path and results are subjective. The history is known by the memory, and the future is known by the vision of the mind, but both the memory and the vision are subjective.

How is it possible then to have an ounce of shared objectivity, vision, memory, and subjectivity? What does a child do, that some wise old adults will not do, except with children? Have faith. If a person wishes to be hidden, and not know themselves, they can be hidden. If a person wishes to be known, and thus get to know themselves, they can be seen. What can be seen, can be changed, or cherished.
 
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