Can we agree on truth if Science explains is?

many-worlds quantum theory allows all potential quantum redults to occurr, and we are trapped in one world with a consistent history.
Pax et amor vincunt omnia, radarmark

I beg your & everyone's indulgences Please allow me to insert two images from India's Scriptures that happen to be an illustration of your words:

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The Center Whorl-like Inset depicts "Go-loka" ---where Vishnu is a cowherd boy;
in a Sky filled with self-luminous Planets ---where Vishnu is as King.
At the lower center of the above Book cover is an orb of darkened colors ---where Vishnu is found asleep in a bed of hisown breath. Below is a close up ---a out-looking POV, looking out from within the "Maha-Tattva":
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I humbly present a Visage of MahaVishnu sleeping and breathing out the many 'Brahmanda(s)'.
MahaVishnu's Cloud occupies a small portion of the larger 'Divyam Prakriti' Sky known as the self-luminous Brahmajyoti, which, in turn, is occupied Self-luminumous Planets.

Mahavishnu factiltates the material.
The Brahmajyoti Sky is the Fountainhead source of Brahman.

My appologies if I broke any eggs,
Bhaktajan
 
If some one whats to speak authoritatively . . . one MUST should Quote authoritative sources.

What to speak of hyperbolic circular automatic writting.

For example:
Automatic writing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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So, when citing the Sir Buddha, one MUST should Quote Sir Buddha.

That's what 'buddhi' means.

Is knowing for yourself not more authoritative than quoting another ancient knower? Did Krishna have to quote Manu to be taken seriously? What of Manu? How can Manu possibly claim any authority if he was the first? By what you link to, Manu can only be called an automatic sayer - he is claiming authority from a source which cannot be confirmed. Yet you say you must quote authority to have authority. I am not dependent on an ancient knower, my knowledge is my own and is not borrowed. My knowledge can be compared to Manu because it is original, it is through experience and not just learned.

This is the problem with faith, it is all utterly borrowed and yet the practitioners are sure they actually possess knowledge because of their ability to memorize. The problem is that your knowledge is based on flawed interpretation because you don't really know anything.
 
Not in the slightest, it is only that you have given this as your example.
It was not my example. It was from another thread.

Certainly, and you know this because my whole approach is that if you have not tried and confirmed, you cannot claim a truth. Every statement I have made is about locating and facing truth head on, about forgetting about amassing knowledge and simply dive into truth.
Yes and no. From my perspective, you have externalized truth as something seen and experienced by sense, rather than using the word for behavior, considering where yourself or others are truthful, or dishonest: the truth that people create.

From my perspective you have also externalized faith as a religion, rather than thinking of behavior and considering where people have faith in others, and where people have been unfaithful: again, the faith that people have control of.

In some cases, it looks to me like you externalize love, especially as you state that you are not interested in a blind person whom you deem to be a lost cause: again, a love that each person has control of.

One person could say they have experience with truth, or faith, or love, or meditation, and it means something totally different than what someone else has experience with. I have experience sharing arguments with you, and I have personally enjoyed them... do you see truth in that?
 
Yes and no. From my perspective, you have externalized truth as something seen and experienced by sense, rather than using the word for behavior, considering where yourself or others are truthful, or dishonest: the truth that people create.

I have not externalized anything, and the experience is not through sense at all - it transcends everything about the human form. Why do you correlate truth with behavior? Nothing transient can be called truth, duality is not truth either, nor is anything created by mind.

From my perspective you have also externalized faith as a religion, rather than thinking of behavior and considering where people have faith in others, and where people have been unfaithful: again, the faith that people have control of.

I do not consider other to be valid at all. Every form of control is utterly illusive, everything of your life was designed before you existed, before your soul existed. It is like a script you have become extremely attached to, you have forgotten your reality because you are so drawn into the play. I am not saying you should withdraw with the knowledge that it is all false, you should embrace and enjoy it, but it doesn't make it real just because you are convinced of it.

In some cases, it looks to me like you externalize love, especially as you state that you are not interested in a blind person whom you deem to be a lost cause: again, a love that each person has control of.

I think you are referring to the love which is opposite of hate, when I say love though, I am referring to the underlying energy of life and existence. I am referring to what scientists call quanta, but experienced directly it is utter bliss and contentment, ecstasy. It is as a sublime orgasm, your every cell is ecstatic that it has experienced its natural condition. With this experience, there is a much deeper expression of love, a more pure form of it. You know yourself to be love, it is not an expression or feeling, it is your very being. You wish to share it with everyone because it is so overflowing that you simply cannot contain it, you will explode if you even try. The love of emotion is very miserly, it seeks to control its object and is often expressed in a disgusting way. They are quite different, although I do not know a better word - perhaps compassion, mette, it is a bond you feel with the whole, not targeted at an individual or specific idea.

One person could say they have experience with truth, or faith, or love, or meditation, and it means something totally different than what someone else has experience with. I have experience sharing arguments with you, and I have personally enjoyed them... do you see truth in that?

There is much disagreement about the ramifications of truth, for instance Buddha says we each have a role in creation as does Jesus, whereas Krishna and Muhammad say we are utterly at the whim of existence and should embrace this. I of course have expressed the latter perspective, it seems you would agree with the former. In my experience of truth, I was not, I had disintegrated completely as an individual, so how can that emptiness participate in reality? That said, I have returned to duality and have the perception of choice again, so I can see where both justify their perspective.

I would not say a personal opinion can be truth, no. That said, I do delight in communion within manifestation. It is quite natural, and without duality it would not be possible to experience. This is why I say things in this plane should be enjoyed to their fullest extent, there is much on offer than cannot be experienced elsewhere. That said, it is not valid to say this is truth, it is merely our perspective of this plane.
 
That said, you are enjoyable to discuss such matters with. Your perspective is very materially oriented, and this has caused me to delve into that more. How can a person be whole without material, without roots the flower cannot survive. I also enjoy that you do not cling to anything to support your points, you are very authentic even if I happen to disagree with some of your presentations. I do not think the conversation could possibly be as interesting if we were in total agreement on all matters, but at the same time I feel like you are pursuing to understand. A few here are more interested in discrediting, this for me is not an appealing dynamic, I do not wish to debate or argue but I enjoy discussing differing perspectives. There is a huge difference here, but those that cling to a particular model cannot discuss in this way. They are completely convinced the one they worship is infallible and become offended when you disagree with them. I have not found a single founder that I can agree with completely, but I have not come across any that I do not agree with at least in part. It is bizarre to me that so many cling to another completely, it is refreshing that you seem to be an original thinker.
 
Originally Posted by Lunitik

Is knowing for yourself not more authoritative than quoting another ancient knower?

PAUSE. Shall you now "speak at length"? . . . [yes, a you shall propound. It's true read yourself for yourself and see how what I speak is true]

Did Krishna have to quote Manu to be taken seriously?

Now, I pay witness to "knowing for yourself" revelation-itus? . . . It's true! read yourself for yourself and see how what I speak is true

What of Manu? How can Manu possibly claim any authority if he was the first?

And we're walking, and we're listening . . .

My knowledge can be compared to Manu because it is original, it is through experience and not just learned.

Oh oh! I feel some Romance lingua franca welling up . . .

This is the problem with faith, it is all utterly borrowed

You could renounce it all and leave to the forest . . . to live as a Vanaprasta.
I suggest growing sprouts as sustenance ---remember, that you heard this one from me.

and yet the practitioners are sure they actually possess knowledge because of their ability to memorize.

I assume you are not a plumber and thus, someone else provides you their expertise to facilitate your goings-on? So you realy do rely on multiple tradesmen to get by ---"where do they all come from"?

The problem is that your knowledge is based on flawed interpretation because you don't really know anything.

At least one of us can rest assured "knowing for themselves".

At least one of us can be put to rest assured "knowing for themselves".

For those how may be fortunate, Let us not forget the oldest maxim:

"How does one know who their real father is? Ask your mother" ---This analogy is the summon bonum protocol for gaining knowledge.

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Don't looose the benefit of having thumbs, after having a human life [ref: Ekavalya's charcter in the Mahabharata, when he took Archery Classes from Dronacharya without permission].
 
Illutrastration 3 of 3 --- The Brahmanda

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I beg your & everyone's indulgences Please allow this last of three images from India's Scriptures that happens to illustrate the "Brahmanda" ---shown in 'section-view'.

This grafix-schematic is drawn 'to scale' and is verbatim [item by item] taken directly from the Bhagavata Purana's 5th Canto.

Note: what is NOT descernable in this third picture, is the details of the Mt Meru (too tiny scale-wise) & Jambhu-dvipa (too tiny scale-wise, yet the outer ring is seen).
 
bhaktajan my fiend,

The three images really do weill for me (I like Wilberian-type figures very much, they make things easier to visualize.... I would only do better if they were equations). By the way, all those schools of phiolosphical Buddhism are quite illuminating also. Not as hard as Indian logic, but the breadth and depth are amazing!

As for the thread "Can we agree on truth if Science explains it". Science (from my left-brain physicist mind, in the context of material and thought) is primarily a matter of testing and prodding what is known. So one must start (as Newton said) standing on the shoulders of Giants. Without knowledge gained from ancient knowers (maybe not-so-ancient given the contect of your exchange) quantum and relativity at the very least would not be. Without the guidance of ancient knowers in the context of spirituality we would all be caught in the cacophony of the monkey mind (or at least I know I would because I experienced that awakening to something beyond--this is not a claim of illumination, just acceptance of a unitary divine).

Pax et amor vincunt omnia--radarmark
 
At least one of us can be put to rest assured "knowing for themselves".

For those how may be fortunate, Let us not forget the oldest maxim:

"How does one know who their real father is? Ask your mother" ---This analogy is the summon bonum protocol for gaining knowledge.

.....................................................
Don't looose the benefit of having thumbs, after having a human life [ref: Ekavalya's charcter in the Mahabharata, when he took Archery Classes from Dronacharya without permission].

Yes, you gain knowledge, but what if the mother has lied? What if she has merely not been clear? Perhaps she said "David" but there are multiple possibilities for which David it could be. You can see for yourself, get each "David" to take a DNA test and find out which it actually is.

This is what I have done, I have come to know for myself, thus there is no need for further clarity. It is funny you raise a story intended to instill fear though since this is what I have been saying all organized faiths do - you have made my point for me, thank you. Your editing of my reply shows your own defensiveness also, such immaturity, I suggest you look within and see why you have responded like that.
 
you'll note, i'm sure, that lunitik has no need for such things and actively disparages them when possible. i cannot fathom how such an endeavor is skillful in any manner and, indeed, seems to be a markedly unskillful in most aspects.

of course, you'll also note that he's happy to quote things when he thinks they serve his purpose and then just as readily dismiss them. an interesting dichotomy don't you think?

I quote because that text is authoritative to the audience, but I also think that the reason it holds authority is poisonous. Why have we chosen these particular men to shape our societies? They are merely enlightened people, but we have come to worship them because we do not understand them. For me, society would be substantially better if we all pursued their heights of consciousness instead of limiting ourselves and merely looking to enlightened ones for guidance. Be a light unto yourself and you will never find yourself in darkness, depend on another persons light and you will only see when they are around(remembered).
 
I quote because that text is authoritative to the audience, but I also think that the reason it holds authority is poisonous. Why have we chosen these particular men to shape our societies? They are merely enlightened people, but we have come to worship them because we do not understand them. For me, society would be substantially better if we all pursued their heights of consciousness instead of limiting ourselves and merely looking to enlightened ones for guidance. Be a light unto yourself and you will never find yourself in darkness, depend on another persons light and you will only see when they are around(remembered).
You do understand that you are telling us to dismiss much of what is said about those particular men and listen to you. You have stated that you aren't special but at the same time you are putting yourself in a very special position. I'm guessing you're going to say that you are not here to tell us what to do but to find our own way, to that I respond that you have soon written 500 posts and from what I have read you haven't been very curious about any other persons view but only to state yours followed by defending your point of view.
 
For those who are so fortunate there is the "Desirable-Path":
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For those Miserables (not even in the chorus line) there is the "Un-desirable-Path" of hard-knocks:
http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000938914/prison_clo2_answer_2_xlarge.jpeg

Neither the first nor the latter is particularly desirable... both depictions show a different repression. Both are a different type of jail, the first merely pretends to be freedom while the latter is plain. Krishna has displayed a great joy in all aspects of life, yet as a Krishna devotee you have inferred that what is desirable is to control your joy and become what society expects of you - a housewife or a well behaved child. It is funny how Krishna devotees choose a certain aspect of the man because they cannot grasp the whole. I am showing you a glimpse of the whole, so you mock openly.

Krishna has argued for war, he has danced with a thousand women at once, yet from this the Hindu gets non-violence and high moral values. Krishna is at one with the whole, so he does not shun any aspect of it. You are like Arjuna, fighting a half of life because you have chosen the other. It is rather humorous to see, if I am honest. Of course, you might agree with Ghandi, saying the Gita is just a parable for the struggle to draw near to God, but this denies the very beauty of Krishna. The truth of the man seems to make most Hindu's uncomfortable though, so they project something else onto the writings.
 
You do understand that you are telling us to dismiss much of what is said about those particular men and listen to you. You have stated that you aren't special but at the same time you are putting yourself in a very special position. I'm guessing you're going to say that you are not here to tell us what to do but to find our own way, to that I respond that you have soon written 500 posts and from what I have read you haven't been very curious about any other persons view but only to state yours followed by defending your point of view.

Not at all, I am saying to listen to your intuition and let it take you to different traditions and different masters and grow wholly of that endeavor. It is not useful to align to ANY knower completely, because this only creates a situation again where you are a carbon copy of another being. Life is about discovering your own path, if you walk the path of another you are creating a situation where you become irrelevant - there has already been a Jesus, why another?

You have decided the position is special, is there anything about these mens texts that seem egotistical, that seem they are claiming to be something great? Jesus, for instance, has washed the feet of his followers; Krishna has said life is a play and he is here to perform his role; Buddha has refused to be called anything but a man, same with Muhammad. They only claim to know a great truth, but they do not consider themselves special at all.

I defend nothing, I merely discuss what is correct and what is flawed in others perspectives. My knowing is not a knowledge gained by books, my knowing is not something I have created from my own perspectives - I actually spent 26 years of my life blaspheming such concepts. Truth simply doesn't care whether you are in support of it, you cannot deny it no matter how much you wish to. In this knowing, I have decided to reach out to others to assist them, I am in no need of assistance myself because I know the way home already.
 
Not at all, I am saying to listen to your intuition and let it take you to different traditions and different masters and grow wholly of that endeavor. It is not useful to align to ANY knower completely, because this only creates a situation again where you are a carbon copy of another being. Life is about discovering your own path, if you walk the path of another you are creating a situation where you become irrelevant - there has already been a Jesus, why another?
But if my intuition is to act like Jesus? In my opinion you ARE telling us to be a certain way and not another. I have no problem with this, but I'm wondering why this is not so in your opinion (it is opinion in my point of view)

You have decided the position is special, is there anything about these mens texts that seem egotistical, that seem they are claiming to be something great? Jesus, for instance, has washed the feet of his followers; Krishna has said life is a play and he is here to perform his role; Buddha has refused to be called anything but a man, same with Muhammad. They only claim to know a great truth, but they do not consider themselves special at all.
I'm not very familiar with any holy text but I haven't heard of them as such. And yes, I have decided that the position is special. When their actions affect the decisions of so many people around them.
And as you would equate your position to theirs I would say you put yourself in a special position.

I defend nothing, I merely discuss what is correct and what is flawed in others perspectives. My knowing is not a knowledge gained by books, my knowing is not something I have created from my own perspectives - I actually spent 26 years of my life blaspheming such concepts. Truth simply doesn't care whether you are in support of it, you cannot deny it no matter how much you wish to. In this knowing, I have decided to reach out to others to assist them, I am in no need of assistance myself because I know the way home already.
What is wrong with the word defend? People constantly criticise what you write here, how is defending what you say a bad thing?
And how can't people deny your truth (please let me call it your truth for simplicity, it IS different from other peoples truths), the entire world dose, doesn't it?
And it's good that you are trying to help, but you are, in my opinion, telling people what they do is flawed and they should do what you have experienced to be correct. You aren't making them, but you are telling them what to do.
 
But if my intuition is to act like Jesus? In my opinion you ARE telling us to be a certain way and not another. I have no problem with this, but I'm wondering why this is not so in your opinion (it is opinion in my point of view)

It is perfectly good if your intuition guides you more towards Jesus, however his cussing at a fig tree and the destruction in the Temple should show that Jesus is not perfect - you can strive to something greater due to his imperfections. This is actually commanded in one of the apocrypha directly, although I forget which book says it.

Also, I would point out that Jesus and Christianity is not the same, Christianity has been molded by the Councils and this is where a lot of the dogma stems rather than coming from Jesus. Be weary of this, they have decided for you what is important and what should be ignored but they themselves have had a vested interest in the decisions. You have a situation where those that do not know have decided what you should know, and thus the purity of Jesus is lost to their personal motivations towards power.

This is not unique to Christianity, Christianity is merely the current topic and I don't feel it is useful to expand on how others have veered at this time.

I'm not very familiar with any holy text but I haven't heard of them as such. And yes, I have decided that the position is special. When their actions affect the decisions of so many people around them.
And as you would equate your position to theirs I would say you put yourself in a special position.

It hasn't affected that many people during their times, though. It has been the conversions after their death which have affected humanities destiny, each has had a relatively small following during life. Not that this says much, I mean, Hitler had a pretty large following during his life, would you say he is special based on this?

My truth and theirs are the same, how existence chooses to utilize this grace I do not know. I do not consider them special because I do not consider myself special, although I acknowledge that 90% of the world follows such a person. For me, what I have attained or been blessed with - however you wish to look at it - is the natural state of all humans, they have merely forgotten it because they have clung so tightly to the illusions of life.

What is wrong with the word defend? People constantly criticise what you write here, how is defending what you say a bad thing?
And how can't people deny your truth (please let me call it your truth for simplicity, it IS different from other peoples truths), the entire world dose, doesn't it?
And it's good that you are trying to help, but you are, in my opinion, telling people what they do is flawed and they should do what you have experienced to be correct. You aren't making them, but you are telling them what to do.

I have not said defense is a bad thing, I simply have not engaged in defensiveness because I have nothing to justify. If you refuse what I say it does not make it not so, you take nothing away from my knowing you only deny an opportunity for yourself to grow. I can accept that not everyone wants to hear what I have to say, I am not here for them.

It is actually not at all different, but as you wish. People are only willing to accept within their own capacities, and religions are not willing to increase that. Organizations have gone about declaring special stations for their founders and said you must go through them to approach God. This is normal, of course, for if they say you can go to God directly, what is the point of them in the first place? This is the whole problem, though, we depend on scholarly people because they sound like they know, but the very scholarly method they use ensures they are probably more distanced from God than the average person. They are on a whole ego tip, they crave power and the majesty afforded to their position. When the entire system is ran by the essentially ignorant, is it any surprise that those who depend on them remain so themselves? You might ask how a scholarly person can be called ignorant, but memorizing texts does not mean you understand their ramification - I was watching a show last night, a competition of Qu'ran reciting... many of the contestants didn't even speak Arabic, had no clue at all what they were saying, and yet they had the entire book memorized. It is not so different with the priests, they do not know the language of the Lord, they only know human words.

I am merely saying that aligning to a certain religious founder is flawed, I am saying that each has their own shining light and each actually are pointing to the same moon. I am saying there is a greater opportunity for you to find the moon if you follow each finger which points there without bias. I am saying that if you go to a living master, they can make it more plain and can adjust to what is blocking your vision. I do not want people to cling to what I say instead of their founder, this is no more useful than the prior situation. Each knower can only elaborate on their course towards truth, but if you are open to many knowers and learn to decipher their truth from what is not helpful without personal bias, you can walk your own path and know for yourself. This is better because now it is not a guideline, it is something deep within you which creates a truly holy situation. It is no longer a question of doubting or discomfort, you no longer have to study their words because you understand their message completely. Nothing unnatural can exist within you without a certain rebellion towards it, I merely say that you can create a naturalness to religion by approaching truth for yourself rather than a third party creating a bridge.
 
Neither the first nor the latter is particularly desirable... both depictions show a different repression. Both are a different type of jail, the first merely pretends to be freedom while the latter is plain. Krishna has displayed a great joy in all aspects of life, yet as a Krishna devotee you have inferred that what is desirable is to control your joy and become what society expects of you - a housewife or a well behaved child. It is funny how Krishna devotees choose a certain aspect of the man because they cannot grasp the whole. I am showing you a glimpse of the whole, so you mock openly.

Krishna has argued for war, he has danced with a thousand women at once, yet from this the Hindu gets non-violence and high moral values. Krishna is at one with the whole, so he does not shun any aspect of it. You are like Arjuna, fighting a half of life because you have chosen the other. It is rather humorous to see, if I am honest. Of course, you might agree with Ghandi, saying the Gita is just a parable for the struggle to draw near to God, but this denies the very beauty of Krishna. The truth of the man seems to make most Hindu's uncomfortable though, so they project something else onto the writings.

If you want to know what Krishna says, ASK ME.
If I am momentarily unavailable, I'll tell my man Jeeves to schedule a tutor to assist you.

Write about what you know, like you're familarity with different forms of repression.
 
If you want to know what Krishna says, ASK ME.
If I am momentarily unavailable, I'll tell my man Jeeves to schedule a tutor to assist you.

Write about what you know, like you're familarity with different forms of repression.

You are a devotee of Swami Prabhupada who has claimed Krishna-consciousness - essentially enlightenment - yet you deny that I could have experienced the same. I have read Hare Krishna texts and find them laughable, you are the only such devotee I have come across and I find you arrogant. This does not compel me towards trying to learn from you, sorry.

I need only point towards his statements about Buddha as proof this man is not enlightened at all, he says Buddha has tricked people into actually surrendering to God despite their doubts driving them to atheism. This is offensive to 200 million people at least world wide, what kind of enlightenment is this?

I have said nothing against any such founder, I have only spoken against those who find power through such figures. The Vedas have some great insights, but how can a man claim Krishna-consciousness yet deny advaita? This is remarkable in its delusion.
 
a] I have read Hare Krishna texts and find them laughable,

b] you are the only such devotee I have come across and I find you arrogant.

c] This does not compel me towards trying to learn from you, sorry.


a] It is most obviously Impossible that you have read, what to speak of retaining any inforamation from said book ---it is evident in your provincialism.

b] We Hare Krishnas have long been known to be the haugthiest ---ever since the 1960's. I see you've caught up a wee bit.

c] My arrogance, evidently is the "Best of your Happiness". Sorry Numeber 9, but we have already planted the seed.

I AM A FREE MAN, I AM NOT A NUMBER,
Bhaktajan

PS: Don't take it personally, it's an academic exercise.

PPS: The book "Science of Self-Realisation" is a great primer.
It records a Hindu Guru dovetailing the science of Krsna Consciousness via interviews with scholars of western fields.
 
a] It is most obviously Impossible that you have read, what to speak of retaining any inforamation from said book ---it is evident in your provincialism.

I did not read it in full because it did not take that long to see the absurdity of it. There is nothing in his commentary which I found enlightening at all, many statements are clearly of ego - of which I have presented such an instance already. I simply do not care to delve deeper when the surface already misses the mark so plainly.

b] We Hare Krishnas have long been known to be the haugthiest ---ever since the 1960's. I see you've caught up a wee bit.

It is funny that you see this as a good thing, very holy of you. This is why you are drawn to it, though, it feeds your ego by showing that such egotistical statements can advance enlightenment. In actual fact, they are the very proof that the author is lying about his attainment.

c] My arrogance, evidently is the "Best of your Happiness". Sorry Numeber 9, but we have already planted the seed.

I AM A FREE MAN, I AM NOT A NUMBER,
Bhaktajan

No, you are not, you are a slave to a certain Master, this is the very meaning of "devotee" if you would but know it. It is funny that this seems to empower you though, it fuels your ego to think you know and it is clear to everyone that this is so. In actuality, you have borrowed everything from a man I would predict hasn't known himself, so it is completely unfounded.

PS: Don't take it personally, it's an academic exercise.

Why would I take your absurdity personally? It is only yourself that is affected by such actions. You are presenting your current station, and it is not at all pretty. You seem to think that becoming offensive presents your true happiness, but a contented man does not act haughty, a contented man simply loves all that he encounters and recognizes it as a gift. You cannot be truly happy when you see the entire world as such a struggle, you cannot be content when you constantly present the need to dispute and seem superior. You are a human being that will die in due course, what genuine value are you? Humble yourself and you might find people more receptive.

PPS: The book "Science of Self-Realisation" is a great primer.
It records a Hindu Guru dovetailing the science of Krsna Consciousness via interviews with scholars of western fields.

I am self-realized.

I do not care what scholars have to say about self-realization, knowledge only creates bias, it cannot result in truth.
 
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