radarmark
Quaker-in-the-Making
Re: Science of the Web For Salishan Part Third
Just can verbalize it and write it down.
I am wit’ you so far.
But what is the alternative? None, I believe. See LW copped out in the end along the lines on Krishnamurti. They said what they meant to say but the context is forgotten. The same could be said of Einstein and Bohr and Bohm, but at least they left us the mathematics. So their models (while simpler). LW and JK forever fussed over what even their closest followers said in their defense. In the end we must reflect on actual events and thus ensure our own and our children’s and our species’ and our world’s survival as actual occasions (even unto the seventh generation). The problem comes when we mistake fictional occasions as non-fictional ones (the problem of solipsism—in my opinion the basis for dogma and ideology, trying to force mere opinion as truth).
I lose you here. I think what you are saying is that reality is not abstract, a thing-in-itself does not exist without a context. If so, brava. The problem then is to avoid the (I believe mistaken) trap of solipsism (whether verbal or nonverbal). What I see you reaching for is a Polyaian-like notion of “heuristic”. Like to master Godel’s Theorem you need to master the Peano logic to disprove the Hilbert program… one must master what is is the system before you pop-up a level.
Like a tagmeme, an actual occasion is a contingent entity. It requires a context (those actual occasions before it and an “extra something” to grok. The extra something is, perhaps creativity or G!d or a Bohmian operator (the universe itself determining what decision a quark makes at transition or collapse). That extra something is the subject of metaphysics.
I guess I need a good semantics reference, you lost me.
take the sixth-month old human baby
the family dog potentially recognizes & responds to more words
than does this child (a dog , potentially about 50 words/commands
a chimpanzee maybe 10x this many words/commands)
but the child soon catches up
(& passes dog & chimp) in size of vocabulary
word = command = semantic-unit = abstraction-of-reality ( = mental-model)
(dogs & chimps are smart enough
for their brain to make this leap
from "reality" to "representation"
from "thing" to "sign"
from "perception" to "meta-perception")
the human child will eventually compile a larger vocabulary
become better at making this semantic-leap to "abstraction"
but this child
is far from the only creature on this planet with this ability
Just can verbalize it and write it down.
where the human child becomes unique (upon this planet)
occurs sometime before her or his 2nd birthday
the child "gets" syntax
starts to form complete sentences (complete thoughts)
but even so
the child is stuck (cognitively) in a semantic-universe
- for the next 5 years , the child thinks "magically"
- for the 4 years after that , the youngster thinks "concretely" &
- for the 4 years after that , the youth thinks "abstractly"
(this is a rich development , yes
paralleling the development of human culture
- from hunter-gatherer
- to farmer-herder
- to businessperson-laborer
over the past 40,000+ years , but ... )
this evolution of ideas is entirely "semantic"
(something a super-smart breed of dog or chimp
might be able to accomplish
given a long enough period of time)
this evolution of ideas is not syntactic
I am wit’ you so far.
perception --> meta-perception
"that thing" {finger pointing at it} is a "house" {voice pronouncing carefully}
by age 2 or after
the one key bit of syntax most useful to the learning child
is the "being" verb
one bit of reality is perceived
this item in the world is named
(& this act of naming aids future perception
& on it goes)
the "being" verb is the source of
- magic
- concreteness
- abstractness
the semantic-engine for churning out knowledge
(for churning out "naming")
the being-verb creates the sense that (the illusion that)
there are "beings" in the world
(magical ones or concrete ones or abstract ones)
philosophy wishes to perceive (& to meta-perceive)
"abstract" beings in the world , but
(remember Wittgenstein) philosophy is just language
disguised as reality (& as meta-reality)
But what is the alternative? None, I believe. See LW copped out in the end along the lines on Krishnamurti. They said what they meant to say but the context is forgotten. The same could be said of Einstein and Bohr and Bohm, but at least they left us the mathematics. So their models (while simpler). LW and JK forever fussed over what even their closest followers said in their defense. In the end we must reflect on actual events and thus ensure our own and our children’s and our species’ and our world’s survival as actual occasions (even unto the seventh generation). The problem comes when we mistake fictional occasions as non-fictional ones (the problem of solipsism—in my opinion the basis for dogma and ideology, trying to force mere opinion as truth).
philosophy (abstract language) traps u in a semantic box
(a "being" box)
a being-verb names a reality which is devoid of context
whereas
reality (itself) = a unit within a context (within a context)
this redefines semantic-units
in non-being terms
(in syntactic terms)
a branch of Australian anthropological linguistics calls this
tagmemics
a "word" is viewed not as a complete concept (in-and-of-itself)
but as a contingent entity
(like a charged electric particle looking to attach itself , to anything else)
the "unit" is meaningless without its context
(& this "context" is meaningless without a larger overarching-context)
truth (reality) is context-dependent
(u'r brain's reality is not a rigid system but an entirely fluid one
& is more like "art" or an "ecosystem" than like philosophy
because tagmemics/reality is understood in nonverbal terms , not in linguistic ones)
I lose you here. I think what you are saying is that reality is not abstract, a thing-in-itself does not exist without a context. If so, brava. The problem then is to avoid the (I believe mistaken) trap of solipsism (whether verbal or nonverbal). What I see you reaching for is a Polyaian-like notion of “heuristic”. Like to master Godel’s Theorem you need to master the Peano logic to disprove the Hilbert program… one must master what is is the system before you pop-up a level.
Like a tagmeme, an actual occasion is a contingent entity. It requires a context (those actual occasions before it and an “extra something” to grok. The extra something is, perhaps creativity or G!d or a Bohmian operator (the universe itself determining what decision a quark makes at transition or collapse). That extra something is the subject of metaphysics.
philosophy points backwards , to semantic sources
(& upwards , to the abstractions of the "naming" process
to model-making)
tagmemics points forward , into the complexities of context
(it grows reality by embedding units of reality , deep in a dense soil
building a felt-climate , a fluid-ecology)
tagmemics does what philosophy cannot do
it usurps semantics , & puts its units to work toward non-semantic ends
it moves the human brain (finally)
past the limits of dog-commands & chimp-talk
I guess I need a good semantics reference, you lost me.