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Re: Science of the Web For Salishan Part Third

take the sixth-month old human baby
the family dog potentially recognizes & responds to more words
than does this child (a dog , potentially about 50 words/commands
a chimpanzee maybe 10x this many words/commands)
but the child soon catches up
(& passes dog & chimp) in size of vocabulary
word = command = semantic-unit = abstraction-of-reality ( = mental-model)
(dogs & chimps are smart enough
for their brain to make this leap
from "reality" to "representation"
from "thing" to "sign"
from "perception" to "meta-perception")
the human child will eventually compile a larger vocabulary
become better at making this semantic-leap to "abstraction"
but this child
is far from the only creature on this planet with this ability

Just can verbalize it and write it down.

where the human child becomes unique (upon this planet)
occurs sometime before her or his 2nd birthday
the child "gets" syntax
starts to form complete sentences (complete thoughts)
but even so
the child is stuck (cognitively) in a semantic-universe
- for the next 5 years , the child thinks "magically"
- for the 4 years after that , the youngster thinks "concretely" &
- for the 4 years after that , the youth thinks "abstractly"
(this is a rich development , yes
paralleling the development of human culture
- from hunter-gatherer
- to farmer-herder
- to businessperson-laborer
over the past 40,000+ years , but ... )
this evolution of ideas is entirely "semantic"
(something a super-smart breed of dog or chimp
might be able to accomplish
given a long enough period of time)
this evolution of ideas is not syntactic

I am wit’ you so far.

perception --> meta-perception
"that thing" {finger pointing at it} is a "house" {voice pronouncing carefully}
by age 2 or after
the one key bit of syntax most useful to the learning child
is the "being" verb
one bit of reality is perceived
this item in the world is named
(& this act of naming aids future perception
& on it goes)
the "being" verb is the source of
- magic
- concreteness
- abstractness
the semantic-engine for churning out knowledge
(for churning out "naming")
the being-verb creates the sense that (the illusion that)
there are "beings" in the world
(magical ones or concrete ones or abstract ones)
philosophy wishes to perceive (& to meta-perceive)
"abstract" beings in the world , but
(remember Wittgenstein) philosophy is just language
disguised as reality (& as meta-reality)

But what is the alternative? None, I believe. See LW copped out in the end along the lines on Krishnamurti. They said what they meant to say but the context is forgotten. The same could be said of Einstein and Bohr and Bohm, but at least they left us the mathematics. So their models (while simpler). LW and JK forever fussed over what even their closest followers said in their defense. In the end we must reflect on actual events and thus ensure our own and our children’s and our species’ and our world’s survival as actual occasions (even unto the seventh generation). The problem comes when we mistake fictional occasions as non-fictional ones (the problem of solipsism—in my opinion the basis for dogma and ideology, trying to force mere opinion as truth).

philosophy (abstract language) traps u in a semantic box
(a "being" box)
a being-verb names a reality which is devoid of context
whereas
reality (itself) = a unit within a context (within a context)
this redefines semantic-units
in non-being terms
(in syntactic terms)
a branch of Australian anthropological linguistics calls this
tagmemics
a "word" is viewed not as a complete concept (in-and-of-itself)
but as a contingent entity
(like a charged electric particle looking to attach itself , to anything else)
the "unit" is meaningless without its context
(& this "context" is meaningless without a larger overarching-context)
truth (reality) is context-dependent
(u'r brain's reality is not a rigid system but an entirely fluid one
& is more like "art" or an "ecosystem" than like philosophy
because tagmemics/reality is understood in nonverbal terms , not in linguistic ones)

I lose you here. I think what you are saying is that reality is not abstract, a thing-in-itself does not exist without a context. If so, brava. The problem then is to avoid the (I believe mistaken) trap of solipsism (whether verbal or nonverbal). What I see you reaching for is a Polyaian-like notion of “heuristic”. Like to master Godel’s Theorem you need to master the Peano logic to disprove the Hilbert program… one must master what is is the system before you pop-up a level.

Like a tagmeme, an actual occasion is a contingent entity. It requires a context (those actual occasions before it and an “extra something” to grok. The extra something is, perhaps creativity or G!d or a Bohmian operator (the universe itself determining what decision a quark makes at transition or collapse). That extra something is the subject of metaphysics.

philosophy points backwards , to semantic sources
(& upwards , to the abstractions of the "naming" process
to model-making)
tagmemics points forward , into the complexities of context
(it grows reality by embedding units of reality , deep in a dense soil
building a felt-climate , a fluid-ecology)
tagmemics does what philosophy cannot do
it usurps semantics , & puts its units to work toward non-semantic ends
it moves the human brain (finally)
past the limits of dog-commands & chimp-talk

I guess I need a good semantics reference, you lost me.
 
Re: Science of the Web For Salishan Part Last

up till here (Point 1 thru Point 10)
this has been an impersonal exercise
in describing & defining "subjectivity"
talking about it "in the abstract"
now (Point 11)
u'r First Philosophy takes a personal turn
insisting that (to be true ? ) it must "fit" with u'r everyday life
(must be a "total" fit , or what ?
the "philosophy" is false ? )
the quote is from Whitehead , right ?
well i like Whitehead too (what little of him i've read)
but pal
(we are pals , right ? )
this sounds a little bit like
u are putting the cart before the horse
what is lacking from u'r entire disquisition , is
what u'r Freshman-year writing-instructor should have taught u

- example
- example
- example

not just to "illustrate" u'r arguments
(each of u'r "11 points" would be more comprehensible , that way)
(to me) the place u should begin is , to state
an example from u'r own personal experience
then demonstrate the mechanisms thru which
(u think) this personal experience can (most accurately) be understood
(it's called "grounding u'r argument")


You caught the quote right. I am not comfortable with non-objective claims. I only make them here (this website), at Friends’ Meetings, and with my spouse. I read examples in (for instance) L’s texts or D’s texts of P’s texts here or on the “New Message from God” website and just want to puke (sorry if that offends anyone).

My nephew and I used to make up the most complex and mind-boggling conspiracy theories. We had a drop-dead gorgeous one on JFK that had five teams on Dealey Plaza. About a month after OK City (after McVeigh’s delusional theories were publicized) we got drunk together and promised never to do that kind of thing again. Call it bad karma. Like I really love David Ray Griffin for his work in his field of expertise (philosophy of religion) but I really, really hate his Truther stance (for instance he expects the camera at the Pentagon, which snaps one frame every 5 seconds to catch the plane in flight or the damage to “look like a plane”—I do structural analysis and can tell you no Boeing wing could ever—even a B-52—leave a mark).

I will think on this and try to make it more personal, making it a case of subjective experience that can be inter-subjectively discussed (and make it clear it is such).

"philosophy" (like everything else) evolves
u are never going to nail "truth" on the head , perfectly
(that is the "idealist fallacy")
u have to come up an "approach to truth"
a course of action which feels to u
approximately correct , "going in the right direction"
then , as u run into problems
course-correct u'r heading
(rethink certain approaches
fine-tune u'r theory)
but u need to start from some real thing
one
little

(genuinely personal)
experience

u need to start by
forgetting every "philosopher" u've read
(that's my opinion , anyway)
if u are going to be "subjective"
be subjective ! !


You outlined approach is very much what I tried to do (but failed to do, as I see now). Like Lakatos-Lauden-Feyerabend it is the “progress towards understanding” not truth I seek.

My friend, thank you so much for your comments. I will take them to heart.
 
What is there? "What" indeed and "is" actually. I can only speak for myself because all I perceive or experience or think about is contained within a particular point-of-view, mine. "What is" is a now, an actual occasion, and an experience (if this includes not only receiving data, but processing it or recalling it). This now is a chunk, a quale (a term meaning "what sort" or "what kind", sort of), and a single uneducable entity lasting for some duration and occupying some region.

If I focus on this now there is come sense of past and origin (or cause). I am now in this now because I decided to focus on it, whereas before I was focusing on typing a sentence. In this case the cause was an internal event (something I experienced and controlled). The cause can also be (what I will call) an external event; something I do not control which did not origin within the previous now.

For instance, I set up some experiment to measure light as a wave or a particle. After a long series of actual occasions (designing, building, incrementing) I sit back to "observe". That observation is an actual occasion beginning (roughly) with something not in my previous now, a wavicle of light entering my perception from somewhere beyond (this is what I call the external).

Or, for instance, I am at Madam Lulu's (an oft-frequented club in Vientiane in Laos during the Southeast Asia conflict) and someone relates a story about two of her recent graduates (worked there but moved on). Realize I am not a Laotian, I come from a sexually hung up puritanical culture and Religion. It seems there is a village along the Mekong to the Southwest of Vientiane famous for its neuua (hashish) which just could not get its product to market due to the fact that the Mekong always flooded during harvest. The village kept rebuilding the roadway but it would always disappear. So the nyai baan (headman) got a friend of his to contact USAID. USAID drew up a plan for a bridge (actually extensive drainage under an elevated roadway) but would not fund it. So the police chief went to Madam Lulu and got an arrangement whereby the village would get the profits from a girl provided. Madam Lulu said she would care and feed and provide the loan for a three year commitment. The village thought that instead, giving Madam Lulu three girls for one year was a better offer (no one wanted their daughters way that long).The headman, police chief and priest all had eligible bachelor sons (the priest had not taken vows until after his wife died) and decided that they would offer the hands of each to one of the three girls selected. Every girl in the village volunteered and the three most beautiful were selected by the council for lease to Madam Lulu. After about eight months of plying their trade, Madam Lulu (being particularly honest with her girls) sent the three home with more than enough to pay for the road. The raw material was bought and the road built per specs (it stands to this day). The day it opened there were three marriages and a lot of neuua went up in smoke. The present day headman, police chief, and abbot are the grooms, sons, or grandsons thereof. The whole point here is that smoking hashish and sex were so “matter of fact” that the economy of a village was based on the former and the future village council composition defined by the latter.

The reason for that long story is that, at least as far as a psychological “mindf__k” caused by a mental event (someone relating a story I had to translate into terms within my experience); it is a perfect analogue for the wavicle. I could never (probably) come up with the idea of a wavicle on my own (this is an actual occasion that is by perception via instrumentation is both wave and particle). Nor could I ever imagine that a village council would offer up the three most eligible bachelors as a reward for plying the trade with foreigners. To this day this story results in cries of “liar”. Believe me it is true.
So there are actual occasions that can be caused by both external and internal pre-existing occasions which may be both physical and mental (all four terms are used in the common-sense manner, and not in how I see them, which will come later). Experiences rise from previous events, which are in turn experiences (for something). At some point this “merging” of events in space and time become actual. Before that they are merely potentialities. I could have tested for a wave if I was testing for a particle. I could have denied the existence of the village or hypothesized some (to my culture) reasonable explanation (a “conspiracy theory”).
What is is a vast collection of these experiences. Some are yours some are mine, some are ours together. Some are the qualia or prehensions that trigger (or kinda cause) a quantum event (an underlying law). Some are prehensions that trigger cosmological events. But that is all there is.
I draw four conclusions from this basic representation. First, that there is something (a collection of actual occasions) which exists outside of my control, call this external reality. Second, what is within my control (or perceived control) is likewise a collection of actual occasions (actually just now as an actual occasion, dreaming of future potentialities, and flawed memories of past events), all this internal reality. Together they are reality, the Kosmos, everything there is, was, and will be. That reality has a time component and a complex location component. Complex because it can be expressed many ways: as the three (or however many you care to postulate) dimensions of physicality, as a similar set of dimensions of mentality.
Experiences or actual occasions are becomings in time and in space. They have duration in time and a locus in space. They are not matter or energy or information or mentality or spirit (in the common-sense use of any of these terms). They are aggregates of all of the above. My wavicle experiment had mental components from both from the level of me (my decision what to measure) and from the level of the wavicle (how it would manifest). My Laotian story had very definite physical components (both in the term of where I heard it and where it was the story occurred).
Third, there is no being. Only change. Beingness is an abstraction that is not supported by the facts of actual occasions. No self, no eternal unchanging location or time or God. And, do not get me wrong abstractions like mass and energy and center and that time when I was born are very handy. Like the autonomous nervous system we would die without them. They help us drive automobiles, duck when someone shoots at us. They help us maneuver in the Kosmos and (in some sense), are parts of the Kosmos (because we can hypothesize causes and components). But when they are part of the Kosmos they are our experience of the abstraction.
Fourth, there is a component within each actual occasion that is something different… call it creativity, the spirit, divine, G!d’s presence. While we have data coming in (sense experience or ideas or simple prehensions or simpler qualia (feels) and a complex feedback network within the experience (and inter-penetrating into other actual occasions) there is something else. A spark. The meta-rules that determine syntax and semantics, logic and mathematics, Ich und Du, within and without, before and after. That of G!d within.
 

Radarmark
exquisite creature

nice job ! (a lot clearer)

I draw four conclusions from this basic representation.

First, that there is something (a collection of actual occasions) which exists outside of my control, call this external reality.

Second, what is within my control (or perceived control) is likewise a collection of actual occasions (actually just now as an actual occasion, dreaming of future potentialities, and flawed memories of past events), call this internal reality.
Together they are reality, the Kosmos, everything there is, was, and will be.
...
Experiences or actual occasions are becomings in time and in space. ...​
Third, there is no being. Only change. Beingness is an abstraction that is not supported by the facts of actual occasions. No self, no eternal unchanging location or time or God. And, do not get me wrong abstractions like mass and energy and center and that time when I was born are very handy. Like the autonomous nervous system we would die without them. They help us drive automobiles, duck when someone shoots at us. They help us maneuver in the Kosmos and (in some sense), are parts of the Kosmos (because we can hypothesize causes and components). But when they are part of the Kosmos they are our experience of the abstraction.

Fourth, there is a component within each actual occasion that is something different… call it creativity, the spirit, divine, G!d’s presence. While we have data coming in (sense experience or ideas or simple prehensions or simpler qualia (feels) and a complex feedback network within the experience (and inter-penetrating into other actual occasions) there is something else. A spark. The meta-rules that determine syntax and semantics, logic and mathematics, Ich und Du, within and without, before and after. That of G!d within.
reality is a Kosmos , built of present-tense experiences (actual occasions)
but reality manifests itself via 4 masks

1. external reality
(kind of "the environment" , but more ephemeral)

2. internal reality
(kind of "the self" , but more ephemeral)

3. reality is fluid
(without idealized origin or end)

4. but reality has a Gyd-event embedded within it
(a rule-maker , which transcends the moment)

dress-up each point with fancier handles (labels with more mystique)
& u'r ready for guru-hood ;)

 
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