Luciferianism

[IowaGuy]

I guess we would have to agree on a social standard, a society is what's good for the society not the individual.

Would you then have to impose that social moral standard on other Luciferians that didn't agree? Wouldn't that be going against those other Luciferians' will?

My understanding of what you've said in this thread is that Luciferianism is about the individual's freedom of will. (my will be done) Why would you ever have to set a social standard (thy will be done, that of the society)? Couldn't you just have a libertarian Luciferian society where everyone was free to act within their own individual morality?

 

[IowaGuy]

agnosticism...allows for 'belief' and maybe even 'faith'.

faith in what, exactly? I have always identified faith (belief without evidence) with theism not agnosticism.

Products of your mind can become as real as things in the OU.

Can you please give 2 examples of this, where something in the SU is as real as things in the OU?

 

[Etu Malku]

faith in what, exactly? I have always identified faith (belief without evidence) with theism not agnosticism.

I have faith in myself.

Can you please give 2 examples of this, where something in the SU is as real as things in the OU?

I guess your definition of 'real' is only things in the OU, physical objects?

For me my SU can be as real as the OU, let me explain.
Recently I performed a month long ritual that was to open the gates of the Qliphoth through goddesses Naamah and Lilith.

During the month I went through various rites of passages, different stages of sensory deprivation and sensory saturation. On the eve of Samhain I performed the full ritual and cracked open my psyche and entered a state between mind and body, dreamlike.

My imaginative creations that evening, at times, were very real to me, other aspects of the ritual were not as real. This created a change in My Self and will, in the ensuing months manifest itself into the OU and thus create change there as well.

 

[IowaGuy]

I have faith in myself.

You also have evidence of yourself. So faith/belief in yourself, which you have evidence of, is not the standard definition of "faith" as used when describing religion/spirituality. Do Luciferians have "faith" in anything supernatural, of which there is no concrete evidence?

I guess your definition of 'real' is only things in the OU, physical objects?

I think there is a difference between "real" physical objects in the OU and mental objects in the SU. Is a dream (SU) as real as what I can see right now in front of me in the OU?

If one takes mind-altering drugs, is what they see as "real" as what they see when the drugs wear off?

 

[Etu Malku]

You also have evidence of yourself. So faith/belief in yourself, which you have evidence of, is not the standard definition of "faith" as used when describing religion/spirituality. Do Luciferians have "faith" in anything supernatural, of which there is no concrete evidence?

should have said "Higher Self" . . . oops

If one takes mind-altering drugs, is what they see as "real" as what they see when the drugs wear off?

Can they create a change in their OU through this experience? If so, then yes.

 

[seattlegal]

should have said "Higher Self" . . . oops

Can they create a change in their OU through this experience? If so, then yes.

Ahh--cause and effect reality! Faith would then be real if it causes a change in the individual and their environment. Gotcha.

 

[luecy7]

Yeah pretty Bizarre to my mind at least

http://azjeh666.angelfire.com/ADAMU.pdf

but i see your point.

Interesting:

"... Methods should include complete stillness, non-thinking, void-reason (seeking complete focus on darkness) and Karezza. This method of masturbation should be focused not to orgasm, yet to focus the mind on the elements of the Beast and Black Serpent as the power of which the planet is encircled in, the cold void truth of the hell-paths of awakening.

Meditation - during karezza the non-thinking aspect of darkness after a period of time should be entered as fire into darkness, a single thought of self-love and desire to be separate and the only God that is. Each Daeva should be within the Temple of Self, they are fallen-angels which dwell within the body..."


Identical values found in the followers of several common religions.

 

[Etu Malku]

Do Luciferians have "faith" in anything supernatural, of which there is no concrete evidence?

Being highly individual, each Luciferian will answer differently, for me I believe certain experiences have related to me that there exist things outside of the natural (that which is not the objective universe).