stop... to ..think..

Sure, a person can describe and imagine an infinite that they have not seen. However, who looks to anyone and claims that they can describe and accurately imagine the depth of them and their love? To what degree do you know God to say that you can apply such an unknown attribute (infinite), to God's love? Do you do the same to your spouse, children, and others?

If it is desired, possible, and realizable, then a person should be able to be and demonstrate their 'infinite' love with others. Are we too finite to be good, or loving? Is that perhaps the excuse at the bottom of this imaginary association?
 
"infinite love" in English means a wholly uncountable amount of a particular emotion. spiritually it means (to me, at least) love beyond boundries. so vast and overwhelming that one is lost in the emotion. i feel it in my meetings and my relexions.

Similarly "the infinity of G!d" in English means a wholly uncountable unity and power of spirit. so beyond comprehension that one realizes all positive attributes are inappropriate. the is the awesomeness of the Divine i experience.

How do these relate to other people? i see the spark of that infinite awesomeness in all people and creatures and other existences. i feel the lovingness which is a gift of the Divine passed on unquestionally.
 
If your idea of love is your emotion, then it is clear why you would call the love infinite.

If your idea of G!d is a unity and power, then it is clear why you would call the G!d infinite.

My concept of 'nothing' similarly points to something infinite.
 
Thomas said:
..."That Christ may dwell by faith in your hearts; that being rooted and founded in charity, You may be able to comprehend, with all the saints, what is the breadth, and length, and height, and depth: To know also the charity of Christ, which surpasseth all knowledge, that you may be filled unto all the fulness of God."
Ephesians 3:17-19

"For I am sure that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor might, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
Romans 8:38-39

I think the above, and I'm sure many other verses, testify to the Infinite nature of God.

The Book of Wisdom says:
"For she (Wisdom) is an infinite treasure to men! which they that use, become the friends of God, being commended for the gift of discipline."
Wisdom 7:14


And I am aware of many who, without realising it, have made idols of God ... Scripture literalists, for a start ...

God bless,

Thomas
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Several good points I'd like to expand on.
What you mentioned about taking scriptures literally being a form of idols seems about right, including worshiping Jesus, when he instructed that there is noone GOoD, except God. There is a reason for the commandment to not have other gods before God. God is love - love is wanting what's best for others & ourselves. When we put anything else above that, or when we look outside of the kingdom of God within to feel God... we are having other gods before God.

What is most important in Christianity & in most other religions is love... of God, others & self.
The fullness of love (charity) involves a depth of understanding to do what is of God (GOoD) of all possibilities in a given situation.
 
Dream said:
One objection to taking Jesus and making him non-trinitarian is that very soon he is gone altogether, that is if you continue forward with the logical results of taking the NT as your fundamental source of information.
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Hi Dream,
What do you mean that he is gone altogether? Do you mean because there is little evidence of his existence outside of the New Testament?

When Jesus' Godship is denied--outside of Islam and Baha'i--it seems like either his existence is denied altogether or he is called a "just a wise teacher".

I tend to believe, as I think Muslims and Baha'is do, that he was not a God but a Messenger of God and a Prophet. Sent by God, and intrinsically a cut above normal people, but still living in the body and the mind of a mortal man.
 
Hi Dream,
What do you mean that he is gone altogether? Do you mean because there is little evidence of his existence outside of the New Testament?
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I mean Believers are the only real evidence of his existence. What you are calling the 'New Testament' is a record of things that believers spoke about him. If you take the New Testament as evidence it eradicates Jesus, first by supplanting believers, secondly you turn the gospels into counter evidence. That is because gospels make similes between Jesus and various prophet's words -- not archeologically verifiable facts. These are called 'Fulfillments' but a not a direct match to anything. If they were proofs, they would actually be disproof.

Jesus has a strategy which you must attach yourself to in order to be in synch with him. Revelation 12:11 says "And they have conquered him (beast) by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death." Notable absent is the word 'Proofs' and 'Signs'. They did not overcome by using proofs at all or signs at all. Such would be a failing strategy.

If proofs were sufficient then Jesus would have provided them to Pontius Pilate, and Pilate could have converted. When faced with truth Pontius as a capital example of the mind of man asked 'What is truth?' If proofs were sufficient, then Jesus would have left concrete proof of his resurrection or he would have stayed on earth to work miracles. To make Jesus the subject of proofs side-steps his own plan, because proofs/signs are not part of it.


When Jesus' Godship is denied--outside of Islam and Baha'i--it seems like either his existence is denied altogether or he is called a "just a wise teacher".
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He would not care what you called him, I think, if you obtain his gift and pass it on. You can only get it from believers who are doers.

I tend to believe, as I think Muslims and Baha'is do, that he was not a God but a Messenger of God and a Prophet. Sent by God, and intrinsically a cut above normal people, but still living in the body and the mind of a mortal man.
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Give to Caesar what is Caesars and to God what is God's. Your mind is your own, and no one can know what it is that you truly believe. Whatever you tell me is what I have to accept from you. The things you can say are not transcendent. That being said, a plain study of the gospels suggests he was a man; except where it doesn't.
 
According to this new site... we may make up God.

thesomervillehypothesis.

David
 
sobon50 said:
According to this new site... we may make up God.

thesomervillehypothesis.

David
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Yes, if you define God as energy, including dark energy & matter, which makes up the mass of & permeates everything.
 
How about this... Do you see love? Yet you feel it... Does love has a shape? Yet you believe it... If God the Father sent a Spirit form being will people believe? Will people be not spooked? So in a simple logic, God created a vessel for His Son to enter the earth to deliver His teachings... Will that cure your problem? Have you ever read the Bible the way it should be? God the Father even spoke to Abraham... One should not rely on a single or few verses that will definitely lead you astray... My friend, ask guidance... For I also ask scientific questions yet all of it was answered... Logic and guidance... The key to success... I feel so much delight to have this knowledge in me because, as a scientist, questions are answered with more wisdom... If you want we can learn more... I can help you...
 
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