Vatican Library

[donnann]

NO I am totally not kidding. Here in the U.S.A. we have something called the "freedom of information act," and though it doesn't apply to everything I have a BIG BIG problem with people and organizations that suppress useful information. If the Catholic Church is so-self righteous then what do they got to hide? I don't know about you guys but I think we should "invade" ( and I use the term loosely) the Vatican library.

Are you suggesting someone steal the stuff from their vault....I thought we were beyond doing that to holy treasure.

 

[radarmark]

Well, it depends on what you mean by bigotry. I see no evidence of bigotry in Abrahamic faith. It is (today) a matter of choice. Most Jews and Christians and Muslims (on a worldwide basis) are probably not members of their faith because of bigotry.

We work and think on different bases, MBS. I believe there is but one Gyd, so how can there be a "Aryan Diety"? One endplace, one beyond. Not one for different (based our your descriptions) ethnicities.

Check scientific blood and genetic testing. Most surviving Askenazic Jews are much closer to their European tormentors than those tormentors are to Parsis (the true Zoroastraians). The Parsis are much closer to Sikhs and other Punjabis then they are to the Afghans or Iranians.

 

[mojobadshah]

Well, it depends on what you mean by bigotry. I see no evidence of bigotry in Abrahamic faith. It is (today) a matter of choice. Most Jews and Christians and Muslims (on a worldwide basis) are probably not members of their faith because of bigotry.

We work and think on different bases, MBS. I believe there is but one Gyd, so how can there be a "Aryan Diety"? One endplace, one beyond. Not one for different (based our your descriptions) ethnicities.

Check scientific blood and genetic testing. Most surviving Askenazic Jews are much closer to their European tormentors than those tormentors are to Parsis (the true Zoroastraians). The Parsis are much closer to Sikhs and other Punjabis then they are to the Afghans or Iranians.

There are good and bad people in every culture. To say there is no evidence of bigotry is just not true. Haven't the Isrealites always been at odds with non-Isrealites. Jews claiming to be the "chosen" people is clear sign of ethnocentrism. The NT makes the Jews out to be Satan, himself. Brotherly love in Christianity is exclusive only to Christians. Both Muslims and Christians imposed Christianity upon conquered peoples. In Islam non-Muslims were taxed whereas converts were not. The whole idea of religious tolerance was initially introduced by Zarathushtrians, such as Cyrus the Great, but even the Parsis, for example, are on the verge of extinction because they do not practice intermarriage. But I think it's totally disrespectful to the 100 million Irano-Afghans in the world to say that the Parsis are the "true Zoroastrians" or even the Zartushtis in Iran and Afghanistan. Maybe they are orthodox in their practices, but virtually every Irano-Afghan in the world is aware of their long and rich cultural heritage which begins in the pre-Islamic or Zarathushtrian past. It's a heritage that ignorant religious freaks, bigots, have tried to wipe out for the last 1000 years, but even the greatest of Irano-Afghan poets could not ignore.

 

[radarmark]

Again, you use your bigotry and not your mind. There are precious few genetic indicators in any religious group. That was the point. If one looks at the history of Zoroastrianism (which you obviously have not, only the Religious dogma you want to see) and any site listing religious affiliation you will find that, while there are 100 million Irano-Afghans, there are less than 200,000 Zorastrians. The vast majority are Parsi (even wiki will tell you that, but for the real numbers go to UN sites).

As usual, your arguement is fataly flawed in both logic and fact.

 

[mojobadshah]

Again, you use your bigotry and not your mind. There are precious few genetic indicators in any religious group. That was the point. If one looks at the history of Zoroastrianism (which you obviously have not, only the Religious dogma you want to see) and any site listing religious affiliation you will find that, while there are 100 million Irano-Afghans, there are less than 200,000 Zorastrians. The vast majority are Parsi (even wiki will tell you that, but for the real numbers go to UN sites).

As usual, your arguement is fataly flawed in both logic and fact.

How was that bigotry? I showed that all the religious heritages have their prejudices including the one I associate with the most, Zoroastrianism. Um, as far as your analysis of what I guess is supposed to show that the Parsis are the real Zoroastrians, I don't disagree with you that they are orthodox, but there are several indicators that they are not authentic where other groups are. Yes, their PRIESTS (not all of them, however) still recite their Gathas in their Fire Churches, they've retained their Zarathushtrian rituals, but so have the Zartushtis in Iran. Not to mention the Zartushtis in Iran still speak an Irano-Afghan vernacular, whereas the Parsis sacrificed their mother-tongue for Gujarati which is an Indic language. Though I don't think it's a necessary point genetics will probably even show that the Parsis have more Indic genes than the Irano-Afghans. But to say the Parsis are the true Zarathushtrians is kind of like saying the Greek mythology is not a part of the heritage of Greeks or Nordic mythology is not part of the heritage of Scandinavians. You think that the history books in the Irano-Afghan countries begin with Mohammad in 700AD? No way. Read the Shahnamah, classic Persian literature, which is not Parsi literature per se, but its rooted in the Zarathushtrian tradition, beginning with Ormazd (Ahura Mazda) and his creation of the universe, and details Zartusht (Zarathushtra) and Gushtasp (Vishtaspa) and their trials and tribulations.

Look at these Tajiks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpqNX7mVJ-0

They're all about Zarathushtra.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpqNX7mVJ-0