Spiritual Dimensions of Music

Etu Malku said:
As some of you know, I am very involved in the metaphysical aspects of music and sound. I have been writing a book for a few years on this subject and someday just might finish it . . . LOL!

That said; What are your thoughts on music and sound as it pertains to spirit and the cosmos?
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Well there is the "onomatopoeia" aspect of sound ---such a relationship between a spoken word and its ABSOLUTE reference ---indicates 'an absolute relationship between a spoken word and that which it indicates'.

So just as a soul transcends physical transcience of Form(s) ---so sound transcends physical of Form(s) --yet sound is the essence of a forms existence . . . so there is a relationship between Word & Form; and there is a superiority of "sound" over & above matter.


Onomonopia - definition of Onomonopia by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.



. . . plus add to that the definition of the term "Deva-nagari"

Devanagari - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
. . . The use of the name Devanāgarī is relatively recent, and the older term Nāgarī is still common.

The rapid spread of the term Devanāgarī may be related to the almost exclusive use of this script to publish sacred Sanskrit texts.

This has led to such a close connection between Devanāgarī and Sanskrit that Devanāgarī is now widely thought to be the Sanskrit script;

however, before the colonial period there was no standard script for Sanskrit, which was written in whichever script was familiar to the local populace. . . .
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In my understanding, "Deva-nagari" is NOT & does not indicate the hand-written-script . . . "Deva-nagari" is "The language spoken by the Devas".


If there are really Devas that are the incarnations of the Material workings of the Material Universe created by Brahma . . . then, their language would be obliged to be "onomatopeic" in structure and purpose and thus, be eternal as is the Universal manifestation's source is too.

By extention, God's personal Name would be an "onomatopoeic" spoken in Deva-nagari.
 
Etu Malku said:
Do go on (Dogon?) . . . ughh, now you got me doing it!
I have some cool musical / astrological relationships at home in my library, I'll dig 'em out when I get back.
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Well, just my basic impressions:

Which notes/tones to assign to which signs? I would say use the vibration of the giant black hole at the center of our Milky Way galaxy located in the constellation of Sagittarius as the starting point. I think I read somewhere that it vibrates at Bb, if you are looking for the creative process. {I equate one galactic rotation to be the creative day mentioned in Genesis 1, so using the giant black hole at the center of our galaxy as a base makes sense in this regards to me. There is a twist, however. Our galaxy has differential rotation, which could make things rather interesting quite quickly. (as well as the effect that black holes have on time, which is basically what astrology is--a way to add a time-stamp signature.)

Let's see how this compares to the info you have, Etu Malku. :)
 
Excellent info . . . thank you Bhatajan :)
bhaktajan said:
Well there is the "onomatopoeia" aspect of sound ---such a relationship between a spoken word and its ABSOLUTE reference ---indicates 'an absolute relationship between a spoken word and that which it indicates'.

So just as a soul transcends physical transcience of Form(s) ---so sound transcends physical of Form(s) --yet sound is the essence of a forms existence . . . so there is a relationship between Word & Form; and there is a superiority of "sound" over & above matter.


Onomonopia - definition of Onomonopia by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.



. . . plus add to that the definition of the term "Deva-nagari"



In my understanding, "Deva-nagari" is NOT & does not indicate the hand-written-script . . . "Deva-nagari" is "The language spoken by the Devas".


If there are really Devas that are the incarnations of the Material workings of the Material Universe created by Brahma . . . then, their language would be obliged to be "onomatopeic" in structure and purpose and thus, be eternal as is the Universal manifestation's source is too.

By extention, God's personal Name would be an "onomatopoeic" spoken in Deva-nagari.
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I'll have to check my resources when I get home later tonight
Back in the 1960's a team at Bell Laboratories NJ discovered by accident, the Primordial hum of the Universe leftover by the Big Bang . . . I believe it was either slightly flatter or sharper than what is considered a B note.


seattlegal said:
Well, just my basic impressions:

Which notes/tones to assign to which signs? I would say use the vibration of the giant black hole at the center of our Milky Way galaxy located in the constellation of Sagittarius as the starting point. I think I read somewhere that it vibrates at Bb, if you are looking for the creative process. {I equate one galactic rotation to be the creative day mentioned in Genesis 1, so using the giant black hole at the center of our galaxy as a base makes sense in this regards to me. There is a twist, however. Our galaxy has differential rotation, which could make things rather interesting quite quickly. (as well as the effect that black holes have on time, which is basically what astrology is--a way to add a time-stamp signature.)

Let's see how this compares to the info you have, Etu Malku. :)
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Etu Malku said:
I'll have to check my resources when I get home later tonight
Back in the 1960's a team at Bell Laboratories NJ discovered by accident, the Primordial hum of the Universe leftover by the Big Bang . . . I believe it was either slightly flatter or sharper than what is considered a B note.
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Flatter, if I recall correctly.

The problem with using the "Big Note" is where is the space-time coordinate that you can point to to set the base for the relativistic scale? Wouldn't it be everywhere? You could probably start building in the key of B once you find a place to start building your base tones.

That's why I suggest the giant black hole at the center of the galaxy as a place to start setting the different tones. You can point to it and say "There, this is where we start calibrating."
 
seattlegal said:
Flatter, if I recall correctly.

The problem with using the "Big Note" is where is the space-time coordinate that you can point to to set the base for the relativistic scale? Wouldn't it be everywhere? You could probably start building in the key of B once you find a place to start building your base tones.

That's why I suggest the giant black hole at the center of the galaxy as a place to start setting the different tones. You can point to it and say "There, this is where we start calibrating."
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The big note is the combination of white and black keys making golden notes and then opposite chords......;)
 
donnann said:
The big note is the combination of white and black keys making golden notes and then opposite chords......;)
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Its fourfold notes. First you have the black light (low tones) along with white notes(high tones) for some it may be reversed where the black notes are the high tones and white notes the low tones. You unite those tones. These are golden notes. Then you take the opposite tones two golden notes one male and one female , exact tones but opposite and unite them to find the key to open the gate. Its the key that unlocks the ark , the door to paradise , the way to the kingdom of heaven and infinite life. It can be looked at like a song. This can be done on a keyboard like a double piano.
 
donnann said:
Its fourfold notes. First you have the black light (low tones) along with white notes(high tones) for some it may be reversed where the black notes are the high tones and white notes the low tones. You unite those tones. These are golden notes. Then you take the opposite tones two golden notes one male and one female , exact tones but opposite and unite them to find the key to open the gate. Its the key that unlocks the ark , the door to paradise , the way to the kingdom of heaven and infinite life. It can be looked at like a song. This can be done on a keyboard like a double piano.
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:D Ha ha . . . very funny, imaginative even ;) but completely and utterly WRONG! :eek:
 
seattlegal said:
Flatter, if I recall correctly.

The problem with using the "Big Note" is where is the space-time coordinate that you can point to to set the base for the relativistic scale? Wouldn't it be everywhere? You could probably start building in the key of B once you find a place to start building your base tones.

That's why I suggest the giant black hole at the center of the galaxy as a place to start setting the different tones. You can point to it and say "There, this is where we start calibrating."
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It would be everywhere . . . the frequency is mega low and could never be heard by us.

Pythagoras' Music of the Sphere's theories dictate that from all the celestial bodies in motion, we are constantly engulfed in a symphony of spiraling sound, and even though the frequencies are way too low to hear, the vibration affects our bodies and who knows what else.
 
Etu Malku said:
It would be everywhere . . . the frequency is mega low and could never be heard by us.

Pythagoras' Music of the Sphere's theories dictate that from all the celestial bodies in motion, we are constantly engulfed in a symphony of spiraling sound, and even though the frequencies are way too low to hear, the vibration affects our bodies and who knows what else.
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Dogs can hear dog whistles and there are instruments that can hear them as well. Its those tones so they can be heard with technology. When you join those notes , the high and low ones you can hear the golden notes with the naked ear.
 
donnann said:
Dogs can hear dog whistles and there are instruments that can hear them as well. Its those tones so they can be heard with technology. When you join those notes , the high and low ones you can hear the golden notes with the naked ear.
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Nonsense, every species has a certain range of hearing, obviously dogs hear higher frequencies than we do.

donnann said: Its fourfold notes. First you have the black light (low tones) along with white notes(high tones) for some it may be reversed where the black notes are the high tones and white notes the low tones. You unite those tones. These are golden notes. Then you take the opposite tones two golden notes one male and one female , exact tones but opposite and unite them to find the key to open the gate. Its the key that unlocks the ark , the door to paradise , the way to the kingdom of heaven and infinite life. It can be looked at like a song. This can be done on a keyboard like a double piano.
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Black light is not low tones/frequencies, they are rather very high frequencies called ultra violet light. White notes are not higher frequencies.

How do you unite these black and white frequencies? Am I mistaken, or does this just mean you combine a low and high frequency? If so, then you are just putting together two notes, one low one higher . . . nothing spiritual or magickal going here.

As for doing this on a piano? WTF, according to your madness whenever we hear someone play Beethoven's 5th there would be arks floating around, doors to paradise opening to the kingdom of Heaven and we'd all become infinite.

I dig Beethoven and the 5th is pretty cool . . . but THAT S#!T AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN ;)
 
Etu Malku said:
Nonsense, every species has a certain range of hearing, obviously dogs hear higher frequencies than we do.


Black light is not low tones/frequencies, they are rather very high frequencies called ultra violet light. White notes are not higher frequencies.

How do you unite these black and white frequencies? Am I mistaken, or does this just mean you combine a low and high frequency? If so, then you are just putting together two notes, one low one higher . . . nothing spiritual or magickal going here.

As for doing this on a piano? WTF, according to your madness whenever we hear someone play Beethoven's 5th there would be arks floating around, doors to paradise opening to the kingdom of Heaven and we'd all become infinite.

I dig Beethoven and the 5th is pretty cool . . . but THAT S#!T AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN ;)
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He was a genious. However this is true but you need a double piano. One representing the male notes one the female and then combine them. It opens doors or gates.
 
Etu Malku said:
Nonsense, every species has a certain range of hearing, obviously dogs hear higher frequencies than we do.


Black light is not low tones/frequencies, they are rather very high frequencies called ultra violet light. White notes are not higher frequencies.

How do you unite these black and white frequencies? Am I mistaken, or does this just mean you combine a low and high frequency? If so, then you are just putting together two notes, one low one higher . . . nothing spiritual or magickal going here.

As for doing this on a piano? WTF, according to your madness whenever we hear someone play Beethoven's 5th there would be arks floating around, doors to paradise opening to the kingdom of Heaven and we'd all become infinite.

I dig Beethoven and the 5th is pretty cool . . . but THAT S#!T AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN ;)
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jRemember the movie close encounters when they used the keyboard and music. Sometimes movies that are made up can cross over to reallity. Years ago when they made buck rodgers people though space ships to the moon thats just crazy. I do know what I am talking about.
 
music is the best. for me, it is an unbeatable path to spiritual enlightenment. whether you're talking about intensity or precision or expansion or delicacy, without music life would have no flavour. i don't care whether you're talking about mozart, motorhead or manilow; music, when combined with personal mastery, is of immense importance and significance. music was and is, for me, the key to accessing G!DSpace.

b'shalom

bananabrain
 
Gilbert Rouget (1985) notes that the amplification of sound achieved by modern technologies resonates sound through the body to involve the listener in the musical field, vibrating the ‘internal erogenous zones of the abdomen’ as well as producing a ‘light hypnosis’, just as the music of archaic trance ceremonies aims to do. Music alters the ‘relation of the self to the world’, modifying the psyche both internally and in its relations to the external space/time environment.

In Altered States of Consciousness, the subject can experience various ‘subjective realities’ or dreamlike visions, including mythical, science fiction, religious and mystic experiences. These experiences can have a positive and lasting effect on the subject. Masters and Houston have coined the phrase ‘Visionary Anthropology’ to describe a process whereby subjects are invited to explore a world in their imaginations, and to experience and describe elements of it such as its art, customs, music etc.
- excerpt from Tarkhem: Musiq and the Black Arts

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