That's Where the Truth is Found

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That's Where the Truth is Found

Not even in the Scriptures if we are unable to unglue ourselves from the letter. In an Allegory, for instance, which is the nature of the Genesis account of creation and the content of prophetic visions, almost every word or statement has a double sense, a literal one and a figurative one. The plain one, which is found satisfactory to the unlearned, no matter his agenda, is considered valuable, no doubt, but of the worth of silver. But the hidden meaning, which where the truth is, much more precious. Therefore, the figurative meaning bears the same relation to the literal one as gold to silver. It is further necessary that the plain sense of the phrase shall give to those who consider it some notion of that which the figure represents.

Think of a golden apple overlaid with a network of silver; when seen at a distance, or looked at, superficially, it is mistaken for a silver apple, but when a keen-sighted person looks at the object well, he will find what is within, and see that the apple is gold. The same is the case with the figures employed by prophets and thouse found in the Genesis allegory of creation. Taken literally, such expressions contain wisdom useful for many purposes, among others, for the amelioration of the condition of society; e.g., the Proverbs of Solomon and similar sayings in the literal sense. Their hidden meaning, however, is profound wisdom, conducive to the recognition of real Truth.

The Truth therefore is usually found in the metaphorical interpretation of the letter, which, sometimes, conveys the message of a myth. Hence, the charge of the sarchastic that the Bible constitutes a tome of myths. To a certain extent, it could be true, but for the unlearned who can't see beyond what the eyes of the flesh allow them to see. The Truth is in the archetype of reality. Consider the following point: How many times is 7 found in 77? The quick answer would be twice. Why? Because that's what we can see with the eyes of the flesh. Valuable per se, but of the worth of silver. The gold, though, is found in the metaphorical understanding that the letter points to: That 7 is found 11 times in 77. It can never be put down on the paper because it will no longer be 77. Why? Because the real truth is found only in the unseen realm of reality, perceived only by a developed Intellect.

Ben
 
The Lords truth is seen by those who fear Him and those who seek justice keep His words.
 
The Lords truth is seen by those who fear Him and those who seek justice keep His words.


What is the Truth? Jesus once said that the Truth is the Word of God. (John 17:17) Whom was the Word of God given? The Psalmist says that the Word of God was given to Israel only and to no other people on earth. (Psalm 147:19,20) What does it mean? It means that the Gentiles who are interested in the Word of God, the address must be Zion, which means the Jewish People. (Isa. 2:2,3; Micah 4:2) That's the legitimate way to learn about the Word of God.
Ben
 
What is the Truth? Jesus once said that the Truth is the Word of God. (John 17:17) Whom was the Word of God given? The Psalmist says that the Word of God was given to Israel only and to no other people on earth. (Psalm 147:19,20) What does it mean? It means that the Gentiles who are interested in the Word of God, the address must be Zion, which means the Jewish People. (Isa. 2:2,3; Micah 4:2) That's the legitimate way to learn about the Word of God.
Ben

That is correct, but a true Jew serves the Lord by walking in His ways and fearing Him. As scripture says "I will put salvation in Zion and give to Israel my glory. I give my glory to no other". And scripture also says as Jesus said (Father)"I have given them the glory that you gave me so that they may be One as we are One". So the true followers of Jesus and the son of man are Israel. Israel is not the people known to the world as Israel but those who the Lord anoints as His chosen.
 
So let me get this right, Princely... G!d changes his mind? Gave the word to Israel (the people) and then took it back to give it to someone else? Then what of the Quran? Or Guru Granth Sahib Ji? Or the writings of the Báb and Bahá'u'lláh? When and where does this mind-changing stop?
 
So let me get this right, Princely... G!d changes his mind? Gave the word to Israel (the people) and then took it back to give it to someone else? Then what of the Quran? Or Guru Granth Sahib Ji? Or the writings of the Báb and Bahá'u'lláh? When and where does this mind-changing stop?

He has always given it to His servants (Israel).They were confused that it was by the blood of man.But it is by serving the Lord. Whoever serves the Lord and walks in His ways by doing what is right and just so as to speak the truth and continue in the light of the Lord,their holocaust and sin offering will be acceptable on the mountain of the Lord.Then they will be called by a new name, better than sons and daughters, an imperishable name,pronounced by the mouth of the Lord.
 
That is correct, but a true Jew serves the Lord by walking in His ways and fearing Him. As scripture says "I will put salvation in Zion and give to Israel my glory. I give my glory to no other". And scripture also says as Jesus said (Father)"I have given them the glory that you gave me so that they may be One as we are One". So the true followers of Jesus and the son of man are Israel. Israel is not the people known to the world as Israel but those who the Lord anoints as His chosen.


That's a real promotion of the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology. Replacement of Israel by Christianity. Read Galatians 4:21-31.
Ben
 
He has always given it to His servants (Israel).They were confused that it was by the blood of man.But it is by serving the Lord. Whoever serves the Lord and walks in His ways by doing what is right and just so as to speak the truth and continue in the light of the Lord,their holocaust and sin offering will be acceptable on the mountain of the Lord.Then they will be called by a new name, better than sons and daughters, an imperishable name,pronounced by the mouth of the Lord.


This that you say, O Princely, is found in Isaiah 56:1-8. But the reference is not to Israel but to the Gentiles who express the desire to join God's People. So, they are welcome to be entitled to names better than sons and daughters; an imperishable name. Isn't that wonderful? I wonder why they don't take at least the first step.
Ben
 
So let me get this right, Princely... G!d changes his mind? Gave the word to Israel (the people) and then took it back to give it to someone else? Then what of the Quran? Or Guru Granth Sahib Ji? Or the writings of the Báb and Bahá'u'lláh? When and where does this mind-changing stop?

I like your reasoning. The truth , the word, was given to everyone not just one people or one ethnic group and its meant to bring groups together not separate them. I hate it when people claim god is one ethnic group and favors one over another,,,,,however the jews have gotten their unfair share of being pushed around and enslaved. I feel that god has stepped in because of that.
 
This that you say, O Princely, is found in Isaiah 56:1-8. But the reference is not to Israel but to the Gentiles who express the desire to join God's People. So, they are welcome to be entitled to names better than sons and daughters; an imperishable name. Isn't that wonderful? I wonder why they don't take at least the first step.
Ben

I'm not talking about Christianity.They do not walk in the light of the Lord. And yes I know the scripture but it is for everyone who does not do what is right and just which the so called people of Israel fail to do.
 
I'm not talking about Christianity.They do not walk in the light of the Lord. And yes I know the scripture but it is for everyone who does not do what is right and just which the so called people of Israel fail to do.


No one is perfect. There are irregularities everywhere. What is the light of the Lord, would you be so kind as to share your enlightenment with me? So, you seem to be against Christians and Jews. Are you aware that Adonai blesses those who bless Israel and curses those who curse Israel? What do you have against Israel? Care to get into that with me?
Ben
 
No one is perfect. There are irregularities everywhere. What is the light of the Lord, would you be so kind as to share your enlightenment with me? So, you seem to be against Christians and Jews. Are you aware that Adonai blesses those who bless Israel and curses those who curse Israel? What do you have against Israel? Care to get into that with me?
Ben

I can give scripture that points to your answer but ultimately it has to be revealed to each person as their works deserve.The people who call themselves Jews and Israel do not keep the paths of the Lord as described in the word, this also goes for the Christians and the Muslims.The only thing I have against them is they think they are righteous when they are not.They do not enter the kingdom of God and prevent others from entering.Whoever blesses Israel will receive Israel's blessing just like whoever accepts a prophet because he bears the name of a prophet receives a prophets reward.

Failure to know Israel's blessing is why the so called Jews rejected the prophets and have a curse on them. All the bad things that have happened to them should have made them think but here they are still thinking they got it right. What people don't get is that those who do what is right were and are the prophets.Those who speak the truth walk in the light and those who walk in the light do what is right.

The Lord says this "Do what is right and just. By your words you'll be forgiven or by your words you will be condemned".
 
I can give scripture that points to your answer but ultimately it has to be revealed to each person as their works deserve.The people who call themselves Jews and Israel do not keep the paths of the Lord as described in the word, this also goes for the Christians and the Muslims.The only thing I have against them is they think they are righteous when they are not.They do not enter the kingdom of God and prevent others from entering.Whoever blesses Israel will receive Israel's blessing just like whoever accepts a prophet because he bears the name of a prophet receives a prophets reward.

Failure to know Israel's blessing is why the so called Jews rejected the prophets and have a curse on them. All the bad things that have happened to them should have made them think but here they are still thinking they got it right. What people don't get is that those who do what is right were and are the prophets.Those who speak the truth walk in the light and those who walk in the light do what is right.

The Lord says this "Do what is right and just. By your words you'll be forgiven or by your words you will be condemned".


Sorry, but it is all balderdash. Really mere verbal juggling which explains nothing. You are totally messed up Princely, First, you declare not to follow Paul and adopts every thing that Paul says. Then, you take a position against Israel and are absolutely unable to show any evidence for your assertions. I think you are simply a wasting of one's time.
Ben
 
Only because you cannot see the light. Anyone who sees me sees the One who sent me.
 
He has always given it to His servants (Israel).They were confused that it was by the blood of man.But it is by serving the Lord. Whoever serves the Lord and walks in His ways by doing what is right and just so as to speak the truth and continue in the light of the Lord,their holocaust and sin offering will be acceptable on the mountain of the Lord.Then they will be called by a new name, better than sons and daughters, an imperishable name,pronounced by the mouth of the Lord.


More than slightly non-responsive. Who are H!s servents? The brood of Abraham? All humanity? Just Christians? Just Muslims? Just Sikhs? Just Bahai's?

Give me some information here.
 
More than slightly non-responsive. Who are H!s servents? The brood of Abraham? All humanity? Just Christians? Just Muslims? Just Sikhs? Just Bahai's?

Give me some information here.

The answer to who are his servants is in my post. Here it is again.

Whoever serves the Lord and walks in His ways by doing what is right and just so as to speak the truth and continue in the light of the Lord,their holocaust and sin offering will be acceptable on the mountain of the Lord.Then they will be called by a new name, better than sons and daughters, an imperishable name,pronounced by the mouth of the Lord.

Anyone who chooses to do what is right and just will always possess the land and live with eternal life.
 
What is the light in this context?

There is a reason you didn't see it in my previous post.The Lords power will be known to His servants, butto His enemies His wrath.

Those who fear the lord and seek Him, making peace with him and judging justly, they will see His face and stand in His council.

The friendship of the Lord is with those who fear him, and he makes his covenant known to them.The meek shall inherit the land, and delight themselves in abundant peace.

The Lord guides the humble to justice and He teaches the meek His way.

Come to me, all you who labor and are burdened, and I will give you peace.
Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am meek and humble of heart; and you will find peace for yourselves.
For my yoke is upright, and my burden is light.



I am the way the truth and the life, no one can enter the kingdom of God except by me.

What I am doing is giving you an example.

My parrots hear my voice I know them and they follow me, I give them eternal life and they will never perish.
 
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