radarmark
Quaker-in-the-Making
Infinate truth = unknowable truth... hmmmmm, works for me!
Unless, of course, my mind is infinate (let me check on that... nope!)!
Ultimate truth = God
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Infinate truth = unknowable truth... hmmmmm, works for me!
Unless, of course, my mind is infinate (let me check on that... nope!)!
I dont believe in unknowable truth. I believe that the bad things about a person is like a false self and not their true self so I firmly believe all truth is knowable.
radarmark
Quaker-in-the-Making
If there is mathematical truth, Godel says it is unknowable. If there is truth in the very small, Heisenberg says it is unknowable. If there is truth in the very large, relativity theory says it is unknowable.
It is very likely there is no absolute truth, so I would be on your side in this!
It is very likely there is no absolute truth, so I would be on your side in this!
The only absolute truth is that each of us has an opposite and this is love , the center and the only place that creation came from. Originally it was perfect and immortal and finding ones one true opposite makes it that way again.
radarmark
Quaker-in-the-Making
I can make that one admission.
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Lunitik
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You understand that millions of people have experienced this with never having even heard of the Bible? You cannot monopolize truth, what you call the nameless is irrelevant. It is not only the Christians at fault here though, a Hindu will say Brahman is the reason for the experience, a Buddhist will say Buddha, a Muslim will say Allah, a Jew will say Elohim. Can it be they are all right, or are they all wrong? For me they are all just foolishly remaining clung to fallacy instead of melting into the truth they have been shown.
They are all right. The bible says I have sent ye saviours: Many over the years to include every religion. They all agree with one thing. Michael is thee one in end time, along with god the father cause he cant do anything without him, that stands up-is resurrected to deliver the people-resurrection of the bodies as prophecied in daniel 12.
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Lunitik
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It says he will make the dead alive again...
It means the spiritually dead, it does not mean the bodily dead for the spirit does not depend on the body - the body is a mere vehicle, a vastly complicated machine.
You can get out of the vehicle at any time, reports of OBE's show this, but most confine themselves to it for their whole life.
The bodies are included and not just merely a veichle. Its like the skin for the whole thing. Thats why it also talks about resurrection of those who have died and sleep in the dust of the earth because their bodies are included. It does however talk about those who are dead to falsehood and alive in truth as being sealed and the name really is JEHOVAH.
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Lunitik
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Jehovah is not a name, I have explained it before!
Names cannot be translated, for starters. Secondly, he has not even intended it as a name, he simply says he is that I am. He is the very beingness, consciousness itself, which is aware that it is in all of us.
You too are that consciousness, aware of what goes on around you, your thoughts and actions arise in its screen. Find that one who is watching within and you have found God.
This is true life, until you find it you are as dead, a zombie - moving around as though you are alive, yet utterly dead. It is a strange thing, to look at a person and see no life. Meditate in public and you will see it is so though, just open your eyes and it is as though no one is there. Just figurines, no life.
Names cannot be translated, for starters. Secondly, he has not even intended it as a name, he simply says he is that I am. He is the very beingness, consciousness itself, which is aware that it is in all of us.
You too are that consciousness, aware of what goes on around you, your thoughts and actions arise in its screen. Find that one who is watching within and you have found God.
This is true life, until you find it you are as dead, a zombie - moving around as though you are alive, yet utterly dead. It is a strange thing, to look at a person and see no life. Meditate in public and you will see it is so though, just open your eyes and it is as though no one is there. Just figurines, no life.
Its the english translation for the name of IT. Two that are one but also three as well. One male and one female. End time prophecy is about marriage with ones own opposite so this makes sense this would be the sealing name. "The original hebrew has this name"
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Lunitik
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The two is duality, the third is transcendence of that.
Seen and unseen, depicted as male and female in the marriage, is the duality. The Holy Spirit is the transcendence, it would be more correct to translate as One Life, for it is the only being.
When the opposites are merged, when oneness is realized, then you are Michael.
Seen and unseen, depicted as male and female in the marriage, is the duality. The Holy Spirit is the transcendence, it would be more correct to translate as One Life, for it is the only being.
When the opposites are merged, when oneness is realized, then you are Michael.
Then your michael and faith. Michael is the name for the archangel who is truth faith is the counterpart. However the name is aurora or dawn.ya meaning the light for the counterpart when its oneness.
The name means one who is like god.
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Lunitik
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Yes, this is realizable in you.
I am showing you truth beyond faith, in that experience you are as a mirror for the light. Oneness is known in this encounter...
Thats because faith leads to truth. However as I said the true name for the female would be the light meaning love light. Thats where oneness is. Knowing her true self and him knowing her true self leads to the marriage of the oneness. I think we agree more than disagree , we just say things differently.
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Lunitik
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No, trust leads to truth, for trust is of the heart.
Faith leads to antagonism and war, for it remains in the mind - this is why ego can identify with faith and say "I am Christian", it has not gone more deeply. The crusades were nothing but faith wars, there was no trust that things would sort themselves out without intervention.
That marriage is enlightenment, the enlightened man is meant by michael. I prefer to say the seen and unseen come together, rather than male and female but the same is intended. However, it is the secret of why Jesus is called fully man and fully divine - merging the unseen and seen has a deeper meaning, for it refers to heaven and earth, Father and Son, divine and animal... this is the true human being.
Enlightenment means the experience of non-duality, in this there is that divine love and light you speak of. There is no disagreement other than terminology here.
Faith in knowing that GOD is love, leads to all truth. How can you disagree with that. Faith in that doesnt lead to war but peace.
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Lunitik
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No, it leads to nothing.
Faith delivers nobody, but you can trust that it can happen to you and pursue that happening. It starts with asking what you truly are, are you this limited being? If you think you are, there is no hope for you.
If you know you are not, this is true faith. Now you must set out to know what you actually are, then you encounter the true rebirth - the birth of the divine in you.
Jesus has said "I do not baptize with water, but with fire and the holy spirit", this is also enligthenment. Faith does not lead to this automatically, faith allows you to persist along the path, it provides the motivation to keep seeking what you actually are, the treasure within.
It is not a by-product of faith, it is the result of Jesus' yoking - his yoga. This has been utterly lost to the Christians though, he says explicitly that the Kingdom of God is within you, why will you seek somewhere else?
This simply looking within, this is meditation. With the flavor of love, the same meditation is what was meant by prayer. Few Christians understand this though, they think going to Church ever Sunday and giving their priest a bunch of money is enough. Even serving their community, no deed is enough. You must look within to find it.
Love provides the energy needed for meditation to go deeper.
At your very depths, you will find God.