What is the essence of all religions?

[seattlegal]

speaking of dung beetles/scarabs/khepri transformation is also the essence of religion.

 

[luecy7]

In your example: You have read somewhere that cheating is bad, guilt has arisen and you have brought it to her to relieve yourself of this guilt - it is clear it wasn't your own feeling because you have been able to cheat in the first place, if anything your ease in cheating is what you were really guilty about if you will look honestly. That ease you have not enjoyed, you didn't want to get away with it, so you told your wife about it.

You have provided her information so that she can be in control of the situation, something in you has wished for this to make the situation more difficult, you wanted her to show why this was wrong, to be angry about your wronging her. You have not dropped it because she has not made it difficult, she has continued to work with you to raise the children.

You are not describing either of us. Perhaps you are describing yourself?

Control itself is an illusion, though. You have not decided to come into this world, that you must depart this world is not up to you although you can commit suicide to leave early - still you will use certain information to exercise this control.

Perhaps you are describing yourself, in your condition?

True freedom is there when you stop all attempts to control, all notions of control, it is to find and live by the flow of life, to allow its current to take you.

Sharing control is potentially a lot more fun and productive. Agree? Think and answer carefully.

 

[Lunitik]

Sharing control is potentially a lot more fun and productive. Agree? Think and answer carefully.

I go on saying control as such is a fallacy...

 

[Etu Malku]

speaking of dung beetles/scarabs/khepri transformation is also the essence of religion.

Thanks for the plug SG

Yes, a huge part of Egyptian religion centered around Kheperu
An Ouroboric cycle of: Apophis (chaos) - Kepri (transformation) - Ma'at (order)

 

[seattlegal]

Thanks for the plug SG

Yes, a huge part of Egyptian religion centered around Kheperu
An Ouroboric cycle of: Apophis (chaos) - Kepri (transformation) - Ma'at (order)

Christianity, Buddhism, and Taoism are also all about transformation. There are probably several others, as well.

 

[luecy7]

I go on saying control as such is a fallacy...

Christianity, Buddhism, and Taoism are also all about transformation. There are probably several others, as well.

Now I have no sense of control since I am told it is a fallacy. So, it is you that made me listen to that... that... horrendous... evil... transforming... feces throwing.... and now I am transformed by it?! I am ruined!!!




Or, perhaps it is not what goes into the mind that transforms US, but rather... what comes out of US. What we DO. Thats better... that horrendous evil Lucifer worshipping music is fading now. I feel better. Carry on, as you wish.

 

[Lunitik]

Now I have no sense of control since I am told it is a fallacy. So, it is you that made me listen to that... that... horrendous... evil... transforming... feces throwing.... and now I am transformed by it?! I am ruined!!!




Or, perhaps it is not what goes into the mind that transforms US, but rather... what comes out of US. What we DO. Thats better... that horrendous evil Lucifer worshipping music is fading now. I feel better. Carry on, as you wish.

Very few of your thoughts or emotions actually arise in you, they are merely floating around and you bring them to your consciousness. If you stop trying to control, you become aware they are not of you, and you simply watch. Gradually thinking itself ceases because you no longer fuel the thoughts, yet if you tried to control your pattern of thinking, those thoughts would become more powerful. This is quite basic to Buddhist training...

If you want to speak about evil, I suggest you look at the Bibles statements about rape or the Quran's since this is a favorite example of yours it seems. In the Bible, it is provided that if you successfully rape a woman, you can own her for a mere 50 shekels of silver. In the Quran, if a woman is raped, she is killed along with her attacker. This is just one example of the horrors to be found in the scriptures you have said you uphold, and the very scriptures which have taught humanity about evil...

For me, putting these ideas in peoples heads is as evil as acting on them...

 

[luecy7]

All you have seen from me is a refusal to be controlled, an insistence on freedom, and this is why we have clashed.

Yes. Whereas with relationships I provide some control and I ask for control from others.

I have never presented any ideas to you, I have only tried to destroy yours because they are worthless.

Yes. I am not trying to destroy your ideas and beliefs any more than I am trying to destroy your history. It is beyond my power and interest to do your homework for you.

I go on saying control as such is a fallacy...

From my perspective your words are a fallacy. Are they not?

For me, putting these ideas in peoples heads is as evil as acting on them...

Good to hear that you are taking responsibility for your words now. It would be evil for you not to. You agree?

Our entire dialog has been about you defending your pile of shit and refusing to allow me to shovel it out.

To the contrary, I have often thanked you for sharing your words, and you are the only person from this website who I purchased airlines tickets for to come see me. Seeing as you call your words shit now, you surely don't mind that I call them evil, do you?

Yet I have been engaging in regular dialog with your for almost a year, I think I have grounds enough to say you're full of shit by now.

I confess, I am full of more shit today than ever. Use your shit to help others in the manner that you would have others use their shit to help you, for that is the law and the... profits.

 

[Lunitik]

Yes. Whereas with relationships I provide some control and I ask for control from others.

Why constantly an insistence on control? Control as a verb means to direct anothers behavior, it is pure manipulation which I go on saying is your worst aspect. You still cannot look at it...

You have said you share control, I say you should be sharing your being. When you give of spiritual qualities, you get back ten fold. When you try to control, you are simply killing their soul and this too has an affect on yours. Sharing love, sharing compassion, sharing happiness, sharing joy, all of these will heighten the life forces in those around you, and your own as a consequence. You don't do this though...

I would suggest meditation that you can drink of these from existence, for it cannot come from nowhere and you have already lost much but existence is not miserly with these things. All is provided in abundance, you only have to find yourself worthy. You have abundance in the outer world, but you are starving your soul.

Yes. I am not trying to destroy your ideas and beliefs any more than I am trying to destroy your history. It is beyond my power and interest to do your homework for you.

I have already destroyed my own ideas and beliefs, I have already destroyed my own history. From this state of utter emptiness I say holding on to anything is not worth it, that letting go of everything is beautiful and the ultimate reward life offers. This takes a great deal of trust though, when you find that bliss you cannot drop it, it is permanent, and as such you must go into it of your own free will. If you have no interest in this I do not understand why you continue to converse with me...

From my perspective your words are a fallacy. Are they not?

Certainly they are, yet what they convey is quite real.

Good to hear that you are taking responsibility for your words now. It would be evil for you not to. You agree?

I do not uphold evil full stop, just as I do not uphold good. There is only this moment, when it passes I am already in the new moment, I am no longer concerned with what happened previously. These definitions are ways to describe things which have already passed, or to evaluate the next situation. I simply live from love in every moment and allow whatsoever arises with gratitude.

To the contrary, I have often thanked you for sharing your words, and you are the only person from this website who I purchased airlines tickets for to come see me. Seeing as you call your words shit now, you surely don't mind that I call them evil, do you?

I have actually intended the notions you have tried to uphold which are against my words, yet certainly you should not collect my words either and if you have certainly they need clearing out as well. You can call them whatsoever you wish, it doesn't make it the case at all. Your judgment doesn't affect reality, your notions do not change reality, nothing your conceive changes anything. This is what I go on saying, why distort reality with all of this? Simply come to reality directly, there is no need to add your own ugliness to something so beautiful. Life is precious, just take a look around, everything you see you are alive to encounter. Have you ever seen anything around you in its pure light? I continue to say mind is the barrier to reality, it is because you add the past to every present.

I confess, I am full of more shit today than ever. Use your shit to help others in the manner that you would have others use their shit to help you, for that is the law and the... profits.

You have said it jokingly, yet you value money too much, you are defined by it and use it in your manipulation. You have not permitted me to buy things while I stayed with you so you can make a point of this, you think it is something impressive. Jesus says it is harder for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter heaven, the Bible also says the love of money is the root of all evil. I am simply indifferent to money, it is something to be utilized, but how you use it speaks far louder than how much you have. There are billionaires on this planet that are utterly miserable, there are homeless people who couldn't be happier - for me, the latter is more rich. For me, you are quite poor, every action I have watched in you is that of a drained human being. I feel like you have given everything you have away to work or your service to others, and I feel you have little if anything left. This is not merely about age, I have met many 80 year old people who are utterly vibrant still, although I am sure you write much off as that...

 

[seattlegal]

I can't think of a religion where transformation isn't at the heart of it.

It can be transformation of the self (Christianity, et al,) or of the mind (Buddhism,) of society (Confucianism,) tranformation via evolution (Samkhya, Darwinism,) or even transformation of base medal into gold by the materialist alchemists.

Can anyone come up with a religion where transformation isn't a part of it?

 

[radarmark]

That would really, really be hard. If process, change, transformation is left out of a belief system (metaphysics) would be even call it a religion?

Without change of something, somehow, it would merely be a conservative ideology (how to keep everything just as it is) or a reactionary one (let us return to the golden age).

Just my to-centz-wort!

 

[Etu Malku]

I can't think of a religion where transformation isn't at the heart of it.

It can be transformation of the self (Christianity, et al,) or of the mind (Buddhism,) of society (Confucianism,) tranformation via evolution (Samkhya, Darwinism,) or even transformation of base medal into gold by the materialist alchemists.

Can anyone come up with a religion where transformation isn't a part of it?

I can . . . whatever Lunitik's is, you simply are.

 

[radarmark]

See, do we call it a religion? He is "closest" to Buddhism (zen, esp). But (SG, help me on this) I certainly do not comprehend where he gets his information (in our "real world" or maybe "dream world" way). but his experience.

 

[seattlegal]

See, do we call it a religion? He is "closest" to Buddhism (zen, esp). But (SG, help me on this) I certainly do not comprehend where he gets his information (in our "real world" or maybe "dream world" way). but his experience.

Not Zen, imo. Too "self" absorbed. More Sufi, imo, with heavy influence from Osho. JMHO

 

[radarmark]

Osho and "self" -- a marriage made in heaven!

 

[Bhaktajan II]

Reject his therapist's advise.
Proclaiming 'I don't need no freaking therapist'.

A rebellion to proclaim one's so-called independence.

 

[Bhaktajan II]

But I do wonder if it's the newest (un-expected) vesrsion of Bot-spamming.

All attempts at subliminally collating data as per subject.

So, now HAL is getting gremlins in the system and must reboot.

Which country? Which super-rich meglomaniac? Which psych professor's research group?

Why the uni-lateral diatribes?
Why no bi-lateral acknowledgement nor inter-personally shared lessons?

 

[Persona]

The essence of all religions should be LOVE.

Love, as in striving to understand & do what is best, through trial & error (active faith).

 

[Bhaktajan II]

The essence of all religions should be LOVE.

Love, as in striving to understand & do what is best, through trial & error (active faith).

It reqires free-will
----versus---
the 're-active mind' due to behavioral conditioning.

 

[Snoopy]

I can't think of a religion where transformation isn't at the heart of it.

It can be transformation of the self (Christianity, et al,) or of the mind (Buddhism,) of society (Confucianism,) tranformation via evolution (Samkhya, Darwinism,) or even transformation of base medal into gold by the materialist alchemists.

Can anyone come up with a religion where transformation isn't a part of it?

Darwinism is a religion?