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Now, upon this, I shall have need & reason, to contemplate.
Hope to back soon from my cave.
Symmetry: Derail from Sound and Sacred Geometry
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Now, upon this, I shall have need & reason, to contemplate.
Hope to back soon from my cave.
seattlegal
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LOL! Perhaps we might get a semblance of binaural beats going between these two threads!
Another example of asymmetry at work! We tend to look for patterns between similar things to link them together, and if we can't find one to fit, our brain will create one that does!
BrotherMichaelSky
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From my personal experience I have a theory ( sort of )...
It will most likely be something i will never have any scientific proof of -
but since i'm slightly mouthy, i thought i would share....
I have, in my explorations of my spiritual nature, discovered gradations of vibration that i "go through" in my "spiritual travels"
This is very UNscientific - and I have seen your posts - you're prolly not going to appreciate how i'm explaining this... but....
I think I have discovered ( and I know this will sound tacky to some... ) Seven Major Octaves with Seven Minor Octaves within..... for a total of 49 "dimensions" for a lack of a better word. Again, broken into 7 Major divisions...
Yes, yes, I know it is tacky.... and brings to mind the whole 7 heavens thing.... but that's what I experience...
I think it will be found that there is a specific range to the creative energies - and that they DO repeat in octaves....
Each and Every specific vibration that i experience is equatable to a RAY of Life from our creator - which is equatable to the energies broadcast from certain Divine Beings ( Such as the RAY of Protection from the Archangel Michael...)
*disclaimer*
I experience these things in the context of a CHRISTIAN medium because I come from a CHRISTIAN background.... A Buddhist would most likely have a different understanding of the Beings involved...
i have no idea if i am in the right thread.... my train runs on its own tracks sometimes... derail? derail what??
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Ok hopefully ‘this’ will make sense! Atoms are organized into molecules and it is the relationships between these atoms that allow them to become a material substance.
Musical physics works the same way; it is the relationships between frequencies that create substance. These musical "meta-relationships" lead us into a magical world where "entities" relate to each other, move, are born, live and die.
I have always considered the actual names of notes as unimportant and simply a filing system. In reality there are no notes, there is no middle A at 440Hz because there is nothing that determines this to be the correct frequency and an A note. But, no matter what frequency you have, when it is halved it is an octave higher; intervals are created from this center/base frequency in ‘relationship’ to this center/base frequency.
Another interesting note concerning symmetry and Pythagoras Musical Sphere is that sound is not a closed ended structure, rather like the Golden Mean/Fibonacci sequence, sound is spiraling upward or downward, notes a couple of octaves away from one another are not the same frequency.
Musical physics works the same way; it is the relationships between frequencies that create substance. These musical "meta-relationships" lead us into a magical world where "entities" relate to each other, move, are born, live and die.
I have always considered the actual names of notes as unimportant and simply a filing system. In reality there are no notes, there is no middle A at 440Hz because there is nothing that determines this to be the correct frequency and an A note. But, no matter what frequency you have, when it is halved it is an octave higher; intervals are created from this center/base frequency in ‘relationship’ to this center/base frequency.
Another interesting note concerning symmetry and Pythagoras Musical Sphere is that sound is not a closed ended structure, rather like the Golden Mean/Fibonacci sequence, sound is spiraling upward or downward, notes a couple of octaves away from one another are not the same frequency.
BrotherMichaelSky
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musical physics would be dependent on every other type of physics - including theoretical.... so what you just said is VERY similar to what i said.
but i see it makes you much more comfy....
and secure...
Bhaktajan II
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As per Caroline Myss (intuitive healer etc) explains that we should be come sensitive to what our senses are detecting.
I presume that ---for you to sense what you say you are sensing ---there is a bit of zen-no-mind (mushin-like) involved, during the preception.
WHat I wish is that you can sketch a graphic of the Octive Matrix you are preceiving.
It seems that such a diagram would lend itself to orderly allignments when put to & charted on paper.
Hey! maybe even a mandala of sorts would be seen?
seattlegal
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Buddhist 31 planes of existence {Notice the comment on the plane they have numbered 14--Maha Brahma.}
seattlegal
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No worries. Samsara (wandering) is Nibbana (liberation.) {See Tao Te Ching chapter 1}
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Better still!
There are references to the word "Staota" in the Avesta (the sacred texts of Zoroastrianism). The word "Staota" signifies the fundamental law of unseen colors produced by the vibrations of Sound; and the entire universe has been manifested in accordance with the Laws of these Vibration-colors (Staota Yasna) from the one Primitive Sound of Prime Motion - Ahuna Var - in the Highest Heaven.
Michael Ford defines Staota as:
Staota [Avestan/Pahlavi] – A Vibration which could cause death or some change, that which would encircle the one sounding the Staota in self-focused energy. A Staota is used historically in the mythological tale, The Matigan-IYosht-I Fryan. A Sorcerous technique presented in the Yatuk Dinoih*
*Yatuk Dinoih [Avestan/Pahlavi] – Witchcraft and Sorcery. The development and practice of adversarial and opposing sorcery to encircle the witch or wizard in self-developed energy. The principle of Darkness and the Deva/Druj (Demon) worship of this sect was in seeming model form, that by becoming as Darkness they developed a Light within.
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a] In Sanskrit:
Ahuh (ah who) they said, they say.
Vak (vaahk) sound; the Goddess of Sound.
b] Sonic weapon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
c] "Astra(s)" [missle-bombs] where done by the warrior class [as learnt by their Gurus] via a verbalised Mantra and delivered by bow & arrow.
d] as per the Vedas: Material Modern Inventions are gross manifest forms of special subtile abilities that have been lost to the Human bodies' falculties ---this trend continues until the end of kali-yuga.
BrotherMichaelSky
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The vibrations I perceive begin with the disconnection from the body. It feels like the vibration is linked to the "place" where I find myself - rather then from something originating with me. And of course, place directly equates to what I am meditating on or what sort of questions I am seeking answers to.
So yes - there is the requirement of droppig the ego - or very,very little would be remembered from the process.
Not to be obtuse, or mysterious.... but that would be a dot on paper, if you ask me.
and goes directly to an ongoing question I have with a close friend who also has very similar experiences to myself.... He is of the opinion that he goes "outward" when exploring in the Astral and such - I am of the opinion that there is never actually any movement involved....
But that is not really what you are asking is it?
I think what you are looking for would be the Harmonics of the System... the interactions of the energies of creation exhibiting themselves in sacred Geometry.... which , of course, would create a "roadmap" of the spheres......
My friend has what you are looking for locked within his mind -but has been unable to express it in a way which makes sense.. I have tried to help, but I get lost so soon it is pointless....
Distance and time have no effect outside of the physical framework - and even and up close and intense look into the energies which interest you, do not necessarily make for a something that translates well into a system of time and distance... much less moving from a "place" where language is an unfamiliar concept and trying to bring concepts with you - simply does not translate...
it is my opinion that there is another direction to come from for such knowledge.... when one learns to exist in Higher Spheres - from those Higher Spheres, understanding is had on an intuitive level.... larger spheres of influence can be acknowledged and patterns emerge which give one clues.....
By taking those clues and looking at your questions anew - inspiration can be had..... surety - perhaps not so much.... but as always, our lot is to slowly watch the pieces fit together.... until the surety is there....
seattlegal
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Nothingisseparatingthewordsinthissentenceexceptfortheconceptofwordsinyourmind.
radarmark
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Good job. A classic "finger pointing at the Moon" analogy. You are impressive, SG.
Bhaktajan II
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Sound and Sacred Geometry
Here is some relevant data:
Chakra #
#8 False ego (ahankara) [Subtile Body]
#7 Inspiration (buddhi) [Subtile Body]
#6 Intelligence (Mana) [Subtile Body] <Sounds: Ha (aspirant) - Ksha (gutteral Silibant)>
#5 Ether (Kham) [Gross Body] <Sounds: Vowels ah aah eh eeh uh ooh rh reeh lr lree; ei ai o au am aha>
#4 Air (vayuh) [Gross Body] <Sounds: Gutteral/Palatable/Cerebral: ka kha ga gha na ca cha ja jha nya tah thah>
#3 Fire (analah) [Gross Body] <Sounds: Cerebral/Dentals/Labials: da dha na ta tha da dha na pa pah>
#2 Water (apah) [Gross Body] <Sounds: Labials/semivowels: ba bha ma ya ra la>
#1 Earth (bhumi) [Gross Body] <Sounds: va (semivowel); sha ssha Sa (Silibants)>
These are the Chakras along with the sanskrit sounds (Yes, Sanskrit alphabet is listed as per the 'articulators' in the mouth that produce the sounds).
This is NOT my own invention NOR my original idea NOR my own discovery ---these are the sounds associated with each chakra.
Here is some relevant data:
Chakra #
#8 False ego (ahankara) [Subtile Body]
#7 Inspiration (buddhi) [Subtile Body]
#6 Intelligence (Mana) [Subtile Body] <Sounds: Ha (aspirant) - Ksha (gutteral Silibant)>
#5 Ether (Kham) [Gross Body] <Sounds: Vowels ah aah eh eeh uh ooh rh reeh lr lree; ei ai o au am aha>
#4 Air (vayuh) [Gross Body] <Sounds: Gutteral/Palatable/Cerebral: ka kha ga gha na ca cha ja jha nya tah thah>
#3 Fire (analah) [Gross Body] <Sounds: Cerebral/Dentals/Labials: da dha na ta tha da dha na pa pah>
#2 Water (apah) [Gross Body] <Sounds: Labials/semivowels: ba bha ma ya ra la>
#1 Earth (bhumi) [Gross Body] <Sounds: va (semivowel); sha ssha Sa (Silibants)>
These are the Chakras along with the sanskrit sounds (Yes, Sanskrit alphabet is listed as per the 'articulators' in the mouth that produce the sounds).
This is NOT my own invention NOR my original idea NOR my own discovery ---these are the sounds associated with each chakra.
radarmark
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This is a really good thread (once filtered) EM, SG, Bhaktajan, and Michel. I see little that is not just spot on! There is a relationship (a little beyond me) between sonics, frequencies, geometry, and matter. Yes, science has found some ergergent properties beyond the constituents. Is is spirit? My mind says "perhaps", my heart says "yes".
BrotherMichaelSky
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with my two cents
Mental Body - one step above the emotional - where mental concepts are dealt with - "Don't get trapped in a mental wonderland - ignoring that which is about you"
Where emotional concepts are dealt with - I would suggest a fair amount of work balancing ones self before this is a destination...
The Astral - where our Creating happens when it is unconsciously done - those creations remain here for you to deal with after death ( if you don't deal with them now... You are creating a mansion for yourself - what will it feel like when you get there? )
an infinite storehouse of energy and building blocks with which to create.... grey plains of possibility...
Places I do not go - where energy moves on the scale of plate tectonics.... Devas, sprites, gnomes, and a million other upward bound creatures learning to exist in the physical....
The Chakras are the energy centers which DIRECTLY align to the spheres... each Chakra is a receiver ( and transmitter ) of a certain ranger of vibration.... as such it only makes sense that they have a vibration which resonates accordingly..
People do too much fiddling with the Chakras....
They are automatically tuned to the right frequency, and if they are unbalanced - the work is to be done on YOURSELF - Mentally and emotionally, until the Chakras are balanced....
Then you may "light" them up and escape this horridly slow meat sack....
The lighting of the Chakras is the Creation of the Tree of Life within..... where one may climb to higher spheres....
And should ONLY be done as the result of a spontaneous happening - never force the tree alight - a psychotic episode could be your reward....
edit: you did not mention the Ground Star......
The ground Star is approx. 3 feet below your feet.... it is your "ground" while in the physical. It connects us to the MOTHER and as such is the "return" (as on a keyboard) which connects the energies together again in a circle....
Most folks should concern themselves with balancing the Heart Chakra.
It's color ( read vibration ) equates to fresh cut grass....
It is the Center where most folks feel activity even if the centers are sluggish....
It manages an energy which is equivalent to what most folks would describe as LOVE...
It is a Healing, growth based energy, and is the energy range which is most useful for healing of problems in the physical.... If you can get the Love flowing freely - the rest will gradually even out and behave... Love makes this world go round.... ( Master Cheesy says... LOL )
BrotherMichaelSky
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The Human Being is an instrument which we may use to play the music of the spheres.....
Everything in Creation has it's "note" it is playing, and it can all be heard at once - it is beautiful beyond imagining....
Our Father's Creations are all trying to sing a song of Appreciation to our Father - some Higher Beings create the most amazing symphonies of Admiration...
all the hair is standing up on my arms just remembering....
Angels sing - but they do not use voices such as we understand them...
Everything in Creation has it's "note" it is playing, and it can all be heard at once - it is beautiful beyond imagining....
Our Father's Creations are all trying to sing a song of Appreciation to our Father - some Higher Beings create the most amazing symphonies of Admiration...
all the hair is standing up on my arms just remembering....
Angels sing - but they do not use voices such as we understand them...
BrotherMichaelSky
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Buddhist 31 planes of existence {Notice the comment on the plane they have numbered 14--Maha Brahma.}
eek is right, my friend.....
There is more than one place that eeek is appropriate for.....
But it has been my experience that all we must do is take care that WE are vibrating at a rate which is in alignment with LIGHT...... ( as seen in spirit )
We cannot be overtaken by that which is "below" us.... for the simple reason that when we concentrate on our personal vibration - we go to realms which are equivalent - removing us from the environs of Shadow... taking us beyond their reach...
Which is also why such a being could be deceived - because it cannot see upward to the point of "vision".... it has set itself up in it's mind as the Heights of Creation - so for it, there is nothing above... ( which is analogous to being "chained in darkness" from the Enoch story... )
There are so many places that I am completely ignorant of... and it is extremely difficult for me to make connections which relate to other traditions than Christianity - The images in my mind are based around Christianity - so they are the images that i use....
One might think that that list would be helpful to me.... but there are just too few connections to be useful for me... it just doesn't relate the same somehow..
BrotherMichaelSky
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Buddhist 31 planes of existence {Notice the comment on the plane they have numbered 14--Maha Brahma.}
eek is right, my friend.....
There is more than one place that eeek is appropriate for.....
But it has been my experience that all we must do is take care that WE are vibrating at a rate which is in alignment with LIGHT...... ( as seen in spirit )
We cannot be overtaken by that which is "below" us.... for the simple reason that when we concentrate on our personal vibration - we go to realms which are equivalent - removing us from the environs of Shadow... taking us beyond their reach...
Which is also why such a being could be deceived - because it cannot see upward to the point of "vision".... it has set itself up in it's mind as the Heights of Creation - so for it, there is nothing above... ( which is analogous to being "chained in darkness" from the Enoch story... )
There are so many places that I am completely ignorant of... and it is extremely difficult for me to make connections which relate to other traditions than Christianity - The images in my mind are based around Christianity - so they are the images that i use....
One might think that that list would be helpful to me.... but there are just too few connections to be useful for me... it just doesn't relate the same somehow..
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OOOoooooohh!
OS is making fun of Seegee!
Seegee! You are invalid! illogical! Nonsensical! You're full-of Hot Air! You're In-substancial! All this before he even reads your palm!
I am telling Monsignor O'Hara that you're starting trouble in the play yard.
He'll tell the mother superior to slap your hands with a ruler . . . you just wait and see!
Father O'Hara!
Father O'Hara!
Look how OS is acting!