The Forbidden Gospel

AdvaitaZen said:
All aspects of energy have a positive and negative - think like a magnet.

The male and female are the positive and negative aspects of biology.

In Tantra, they go deeply into sex as a method for spiritual awakening, the two energies meeting can create a realization of oneness - in this, your statements are perfectly right.

Understand though that the point is not the merging of the opposites, it is what arises from their merging.

Soul and spirit are another aspect of this, certainly, but oneness remains the point.

God and man, another aspect.

Object and subject, inner and outer, hot and cold, up and down, left and right, heart and mind...

When all come together, what is the result?

Do not answer, find out - remembering these are all aspects of energy, represented in the world, but also present in us, thus you don't need other to find out.
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I believe that each of us has an opposite somewhere that is one with our spirit and soul. The body seeks to merge with the opposite. I believe that everyone was one with their opposite in the beginning but that there was a split which caused the soul and spirit to separate from the bodies and caused mortality. I believe in order to gain infinite life you must reunite with your opposite. I believe you can gain eternal life alone but also that eternities are measured. I did a lot of research on tantra and that it is a way of tapping into ones opposite. I also studied chakras and the points located in the bodies for union of soul and spirit with body. It was very interesting. Have you done any studies on this subject?
 
donnann said:
I believe that each of us has an opposite somewhere that is one with our spirit and soul. The body seeks to merge with the opposite. I believe that everyone was one with their opposite in the beginning but that there was a split which caused the soul and spirit to separate from the bodies and caused mortality. I believe in order to gain infinite life you must reunite with your opposite. I believe you can gain eternal life alone but also that eternities are measured. I did a lot of research on tantra and that it is a way of tapping into ones opposite. I also studied chakras and the points located in the bodies for union of soul and spirit with body. It was very interesting. Have you done any studies on this subject?
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Yes, but it has never been of the sort you are discussing.

Perhaps the closest to what you're speaking would be Thomas Huebl, who you can find videos of on Youtube. Note, however, that he still isn't specific about any soul mate, he is simply using sex to advance our consciousness, to become enlightened.
 
donnann said:
Being attracted to same sex says your homosexual. Not only homosexuals abuse children. Also there are many cases of opposite sex. My point was that priests that abuse same sex children are gay pedophiles. That is just a fact. I know that not all gay men abuse children. I have a sister who is gay that I love very much and she doesnt abuse children. The bible does not condone same sex marriages. That cannot be disputed. However I have a theory that there are more than one type of anatomies in gods kingdom and that gays are of a different anatomical and spiritual makeup than straights. I told my sister in gods kingdom she will have her perfect mate with the anatomical makeup of same sex but be opposite sex. That is how I view homosexuality. If you got the wrong impression I apologize.
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No, this is not a fact. Please produce any credible data you have on the subject.
 
Paladin said:
No, this is not a fact. Please produce any credible data you have on the subject.
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It is just common sense. If a man is attracted to little boys he is a gay pedofile. If he is attracted to little girls he is a straight pedofile. If he is attracted to both he is a bisexual pedofile. The definition of being a gay man is a man attracted to same sex. Its clear. Pedophilia is not just present in the straight community but also the gay and bisexual. To say it isnt is simply denial. My point is that pedophiles are present in every community.
 
Common sense doesn't work as a source, either produce data or simply state it as opinion.
 
A Cup Of Tea said:
Common sense doesn't work as a source, either produce data or simply state it as opinion.
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I think common sense stands on its own. Anything contradictory is simply a lie. Data is compiled by using common sense.
 
Servetus said:
This, your "Forbidden Gospel," is a very impotent message indeed.


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When I read the forbidden gospel I thought he was talking about the gospels found at nag hamaddi in 1947, not that I think they are forbidden.
 
A Cup Of Tea said:
Common sense doesn't work as a source, either produce data or simply state it as opinion.
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donnann said:
I think common sense stands on its own. Anything contradictory is simply a lie. Data is compiled by using common sense.
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Actually, this is how you get sampling bias.
Sampling bias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This sort of bias distortion is known as cognitive bias
Cognitive bias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
of the confirmation bias type
Confirmation bias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias or myside bias) is a tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses.[Note 1][1] People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. For example, in reading about gun control, people usually prefer sources that affirm their existing attitudes. They also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position. Biased search, interpretation and memory have been invoked to explain attitude polarization (when a disagreement becomes more extreme even though the different parties are exposed to the same evidence), belief perseverance (when beliefs persist after the evidence for them is shown to be false), the irrational primacy effect (a greater reliance on information encountered early in a series) and illusory correlation (when people falsely perceive an association between two events or situations).
A series of experiments in the 1960s suggested that people are biased toward confirming their existing beliefs. Later work re-interpreted these results as a tendency to test ideas in a one-sided way, focusing on one possibility and ignoring alternatives. In certain situations, this tendency can bias people's conclusions. Explanations for the observed biases include wishful thinking and the limited human capacity to process information. Another explanation is that people show confirmation bias because they are weighing up the costs of being wrong, rather than investigating in a neutral, scientific way.
Confirmation biases contribute to overconfidence in personal beliefs and can maintain or strengthen beliefs in the face of contrary evidence. Poor decisions due to these biases have been found in military, political, and organizational contexts.

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Specific type would be biased search for information along with the backfire effect.
 
donnann said:
One more point I forgot to mention. Look at shakiti and shiva in hindu theology. They literally have bisexual anatomy.
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Perhaps this needs a little explanation from a hindu. Shakti and Shiva, Purusha and Prakriti, Brahman and Maya, or Krishna and Radha, are like energy and work done. They can never be separated. The existence of one results into the existence of the other. The inseparability is symbolized in the form of 'Ardhanarishwara' in hinduism. For hindu believers (I am a hindu atheist) Shiva, Purusha, or Brahman are beyond sex.
AdvaitaZen said:
In Tantra, they go deeply into sex as a method for spiritual awakening, the two energies meeting can create a realization of oneness - in this, your statements are perfectly right.
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In true Tantra, sex and the other four (meat, fish, money, and liquor - maithuna, mamsa, mudra, and madya) are to be abandoned for spirituality. Indulgence is a travesty of Tantra.
 
donnann said:
I think common sense stands on its own. Anything contradictory is simply a lie. Data is compiled by using common sense.
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If you talk with friends who agree with you perhaps, but not when your trying to prove a point.

People who share different sets of data come to different conclusions. You come to a conclusion we don't share so now we question your data. You'll have to get used to this because we're going to do this every time anyone doesn't agree with you, just like we did before you left.
 
Aupmanyav said:
In true Tantra, sex and the other four (meat, fish, money, and liquor - maithuna, mamsa, mudra, and madya) are to be abandoned for spirituality. Indulgence is a travesty of Tantra.
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If you'd looked at Thomas Huebl for a single moment, you'd realize it wasn't about indulgence.

It is essentially Buddhist enquiry, just more immediately focused on intimacy... what exactly is it which is causing distance between yourself and other. It is a very direct way of looking at ego...
 
Aupmanyav said:
Perhaps this needs a little explanation from a hindu. Shakti and Shiva, Purusha and Prakriti, Brahman and Maya, or Krishna and Radha, are like energy and work done. They can never be separated. The existence of one results into the existence of the other. The inseparability is symbolized in the form of 'Ardhanarishwara' in hinduism. For hindu believers (I am a hindu atheist) Shiva, Purusha, or Brahman are beyond sex.In true Tantra, sex and the other four (meat, fish, money, and liquor - maithuna, mamsa, mudra, and madya) are to be abandoned for spirituality. Indulgence is a travesty of Tantra.
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If Shiva is beyond sex how then why in hindu studies to they show them as having sexual organs?
 
A Cup Of Tea said:
If you talk with friends who agree with you perhaps, but not when your trying to prove a point.

People who share different sets of data come to different conclusions. You come to a conclusion we don't share so now we question your data. You'll have to get used to this because we're going to do this every time anyone doesn't agree with you, just like we did before you left.
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Maybe I should have said Logic and common sense. Look up the terms in wikipedia. They are the tools used in reasoning scientifc and social data.
 
seattlegal said:
Actually, this is how you get sampling bias.
Sampling bias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This sort of bias distortion is known as cognitive bias
Cognitive bias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
of the confirmation bias type
Confirmation bias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias or myside bias) is a tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses.[Note 1][1] People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. For example, in reading about gun control, people usually prefer sources that affirm their existing attitudes. They also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position. Biased search, interpretation and memory have been invoked to explain attitude polarization (when a disagreement becomes more extreme even though the different parties are exposed to the same evidence), belief perseverance (when beliefs persist after the evidence for them is shown to be false), the irrational primacy effect (a greater reliance on information encountered early in a series) and illusory correlation (when people falsely perceive an association between two events or situations).
A series of experiments in the 1960s suggested that people are biased toward confirming their existing beliefs. Later work re-interpreted these results as a tendency to test ideas in a one-sided way, focusing on one possibility and ignoring alternatives. In certain situations, this tendency can bias people's conclusions. Explanations for the observed biases include wishful thinking and the limited human capacity to process information. Another explanation is that people show confirmation bias because they are weighing up the costs of being wrong, rather than investigating in a neutral, scientific way.
Confirmation biases contribute to overconfidence in personal beliefs and can maintain or strengthen beliefs in the face of contrary evidence. Poor decisions due to these biases have been found in military, political, and organizational contexts.

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Specific type would be biased search for information along with the backfire effect.
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Do you believe that pedofilia only exists in the straight community? The answer to this question will let me know your position on the subject.
 
donnan has not said priests are paedophiles as a blanket statement

she has said priests who fondle children are paedophiles

I am not sure what the argument is about in this?

is there some other word for a priest who abuses children?
 
donnann said:
Maybe I should have said Logic and common sense. Look up the terms in wikipedia. They are the tools used in reasoning scientifc and social data.
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Excellent, use scientific and social data to reason. Simply saying something is the way you say the are is not common sense or logic, it is simply a statement.

Lunitic, the argument is about homosexuality and paedophilia, some of us say that they are separate things while donnann states that they are related disorders sometimes working side by side. But the argument I'm truly making, since nothing I say will ever change her point of view, is that she needs to prove the things she states if she states them as facts.
 
AdvaitaZen said:
donnan has not said priests are paedophiles as a blanket statement

she has said priests who fondle children are paedophiles

I am not sure what the argument is about in this?

is there some other word for a priest who abuses children?
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I was simply sayins that pedofiles are in every community to include straights , bisexuals, and gays. Apparently someone thinks that there are no gay and bisexual pedofiles and is telling me that logic and commonsense doesnt matter in this matter and wants me to provide proof that there are gay and bisexual pedofiles.
 
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