Normal, Crackpot or Prophet?

the Lord's Prayer​

Menassa said:
Take Jesus for instance... from the little we know about him he is clear that he is not the greatest fan of the Law.
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Jesus being approached by "one of his disciples" with a request to teach them to pray ... Jesus instructs his listeners to pray in the manner prescribed:

"one interpretation of the Lord's Prayer is as a guideline on how to pray rather than something repeated by rote."

PAY ATTENTION TO THE PREMIER DETAILS:

"Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name."

Thus, All other earthly concerns are about one's temporal eating, sleeping, mating & defending.

Make way for the Lord's Name.

That is all!
 
bhaktajan said:
the Lord's Prayer​



Jesus being approached by "one of his disciples" with a request to teach them to pray ... Jesus instructs his listeners to pray in the manner prescribed:

"one interpretation of the Lord's Prayer is as a guideline on how to pray rather than something repeated by rote."

PAY ATTENTION TO THE PREMIER DETAILS:

"Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name."

Thus, All other earthly concerns are about one's temporal eating, sleeping, mating & defending.

Make way for the Lord's Name.

That is all!
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17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. 19 You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’”

20 “Teacher,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.”

21 Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22 At this the man’s face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.

If I believe wholeheartedly in the Law I would have told the man that his entrance to heaven is granted by his observance of the commandments.
 
Menassa said:
I would have told the man that his entrance to heaven is granted by his observance of the commandments.
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But the man didn't ask you.

Nevertheless, the wealthy man's reaction ---was the lesson the be learnt here --- thus the answer by Christ was all the more emphatic.

BTW, Christ was invoking the lessons from the ancients; Christ was quoting Tradition and the spiritual path to heaven.

The Laws are likened to pursuits of "Artha, kama, Dharma" ---were as stated goal was "How to inherit eternal life?".
 
bhaktajan said:
But the man didn't ask you.

Nevertheless, the wealthy man's reaction ---was the lesson the be learnt here --- thus the answer by Christ was all the more emphatic.

BTW, Christ was invoking the lessons from the ancients; Christ was quoting Tradition and the spiritual path to heaven.

The Laws are likened to pursuits of "Artha, kama, Dharma" ---were as stated goal was "How to inherit eternal life?".
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The Law is the way to get to heaven.. those of us who are burdened with it and follow it will be admitted, those of us who don't follow will also be admitted.

You do not need to change your status in order to gain access.
 
Menassa said:
The Law is the way to get to heaven.. those of us who are burdened with it and follow it will be admitted, those of us who don't follow will also be admitted.

You do not need to change your status in order to gain access.
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Only by the mercy of God do we get Guru ... and by the mercy of Guru we Get God.

It is via "Guru" [or whatever is the local vernacular calls them] do we get admittance.

All knowledge is passed down and received this way.

The professor must attest to one's learning from the "texts".

Even the "exams" are over-viewed by elders ---in all circumstances.

All along the way...there are "persons" that must review one's documents for proper Identification.

God is a Persona --We are Persona.

Laws are all about "Etiquette".

We cannot "ascend" on one's own prowess ---We must be lifted by the mercy that descends toward us.
 
The Law is not about etiquette, perhaps some laws are.

However the Law is a guide to live our lives.
 
There was no change in status asked for ....Jesus simply asked him what G!ds he held before G!d.... can you take your material possessions into heaven? Can you live without them.... He asked the man to let go of worldly things....the choice was too great. how does this differ from the tests of Job, or of making a sacrifice of your son? Jesus simply asked him to....if he said he could...he propably would have then dispensed of the need to.

But G!d's word.....that one gets me. Isn't what we've got man's word, purported to be G!d's?

And can you further illimune us on 13 and 18 and do all the prophets meet the criteria?
 
Ultimately, man is the only authority.

It is man who chooses what is true and what is not.

Faced with greed or fear, he will inevitably choose greed - heaven over hell.

In this way, he can be controlled.

All religions, belief systems in the world are about controlling people.

Who will protest after death that it was a lie?

The problem is that death itself is right now a projection of the mind into the future.

The thought is arising now, and great fear comes.

Belief only offers a way to overcome this fear.

This is enough for the mundane people.
 
Consider, you are taking ways of knowing from those wanting you to believe them.

On what basis do you accept their criteria?

Simply embrace the fear, see it is part of a total life.

Death is as natural as birth, they go together, inseparable.

Neither are our choice, nor is this moment chosen by us.

Why embrace an idea of controlling your destiny?

See the miracle of life, what more can you need?

This awesome experience has been given to you.

Stop fearing its loss and start rejoicing that it is here now.

Instead we spend our time seeking solace, avoiding the truth.

We only avoid life.
 
With this in mind, knowing it is our own self which is the true authority, we can take that which benefits us from each one offering advice.

We no more need to place certain men far above us.

We no more buy into absurd notions of mind.

We are simply alive.

Is this one enhancing the experience of life for you?

Only this should be the criteria.
 
All religion has ever done is caused otherwise sane men to murder and harm his fellow men or himself.

It creates distinction between you and your brother, and this in the name of love.

It is enough.

What good has happened due to these texts?

They enhance the ego, and living as ego is hell.

Truth cannot be said, it is simply so when ego is no more.

How can ego-enhancement result in ego-death?

It is absurd.
 
And yes, trying to be humble is as much egoistic as the most arrogant of men.

It is ego which is trying to be humble.
 
It is also ego which judges, Normal, Crackpot or Prophet?

Do not judge them, but instead see whether their words can assist you.
 
Such men are only dangerous if you begin to depend on them.

This is true of all people though, depending on anyone overly is unhealthy.
 
Over dependence on anything is unhealthy.

It is losing what you depend on that is the root cause of fear.
 
Why is it when one person hears voices they're called psychotic? But when many people hear voices they call it religion?
 
Etu Malku said:
Why is it when one person hears voices they're called psychotic? But when many people hear voices they call it religion?
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There are many studies about this.

For instance:

If a person is shown an item, it is taken away, then later he is asked to say what it was...

Whether he actually knows or not, whether he answers correctly initially or not, he will change his answer to match the majority.

It is a basic survival instinct, we do not want to be outsiders, it is harder to find food and propagate when you're alone. Working together, nothing is impossible, but we have to trust each other to work together efficiently.

Camaraderie is a core desire to this end.
 
The problem is that we are so identified with these group-think conclusions that we are willing to die and kill for them. It would be ideal if these groups could come together and try to understand one another, let them have freedom to express themselves. We would learn far more from one another if there weren't any false divisions.

Instead, we insist upon the differences, rather than coming together through the similarities.

The total is always greater than the parts.

Where could man reach without fighting over the ladder?
 
This is sorta the point of my joining this site.

It isn't really happening here though, all still insist on their differences.

Mind creates the differences, without it there are none.

Without differences, without boundaries, all can meet.

The lack of boundaries is oneness, emptiness, no-thing-ness, at-one-ment.

It is love, beyond object and subject.

It is the purpose of religion, to bring us to true love.
 
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