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AdvaitaZen

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... is that which is actually the case right now.

Belief is that which the mind projects onto it.
 
But what does "actually exist" mean? Are you limiting it to physicality (material-only)? Do you include mental actualities? Spiritual actualities?
 
radarmark said:
But what does "actually exist" mean? Are you limiting it to physicality (material-only)? Do you include mental actualities? Spiritual actualities?
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It is only mind which divides spiritual and material.

Mental activity always brings us away from truth.
 
wil said:
no truth in the future or the past? Only in the now?
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Past and future are merely ideas arising now.

It is not possible to ever exist outside the present moment - even if we someday invent a time machine, for those traveling through time, they are still only ever experiencing what is their now.
 
Enlightenment is a destructive process.
It has nothing to do with becoming better or being happier.
Enlightenment is the crumbling away of untruth.
It's seeing through the facade of pretense.
It's the complete eradication of
everything we imagined to be true.

~ Adyashanti
 
Perhaps it would be wise to consider what is not Truth, to have some better contrast?
 
I think that is a very good idea, L7. Because, for one, I do not follow how one can consistently hold that ideation (mental activity) always leads away from truth or that the past and future are ideas rising now. See, someone is using reasoning (ideation) in an attempt to counter experience.

The way most use "Truth" in discourse is philosophically, a product of ideation. The truth value of statement A is dependent on some correspondence of it to reality or some element thereof, call it B. A is true if and only if B is an actual entity (something that actually exists).

And (again, using the common notion) True and False are reciprocal functions, so A would be not-True or False if and only if B does not exist in actuality.

When you are creating your definitions, one should remember that this is a really limited definition, because most notions (say A) refer to things that are not (JMHO) not totally provable within the intellect because of the limitations of the human mind and knowledge).
 
luecy7 said:
Perhaps it would be wise to consider what is not Truth, to have some better contrast?
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It is only possible to discover Truth through understanding what is not truth, for there is truly no other way to approach it. No words can say it, for it is that from which all words arise. Yet, simultaneously, it is the nature of everything that arises.

It is the observer, yet to attach to something we label the observer is to miss it. It is awareness, yet only traceable through realizing it cannot be anything it is aware of - including anything we label awareness. What to say?

Simply try this practice for a week: Everything you encounter, every sensation in the body, every thought in the mind, every sight you see, sound you hear, scent you smell, constantly remind yourself that none of it is Truth. Even note that this practice is equally untrue, simply a method highlighting the false.

What remains that cannot be dropped?

That is Truth.
 
radarmark said:
I think that is a very good idea, L7. Because, for one, I do not follow how one can consistently hold that ideation (mental activity) always leads away from truth or that the past and future are ideas rising now. See, someone is using reasoning (ideation) in an attempt to counter experience.

The way most use "Truth" in discourse is philosophically, a product of ideation. The truth value of statement A is dependent on some correspondence of it to reality or some element thereof, call it B. A is true if and only if B is an actual entity (something that actually exists).

And (again, using the common notion) True and False are reciprocal functions, so A would be not-True or False if and only if B does not exist in actuality.

When you are creating your definitions, one should remember that this is a really limited definition, because most notions (say A) refer to things that are not (JMHO) not totally provable within the intellect because of the limitations of the human mind and knowledge).
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Truth is that from which all notions originate, including all notions about its origination. It is often called Silence, it is what Jesus points to when he said "be still and know 'I am God'". It is the whole point of meditation, it is Islam: surrendering ourselves to existence itself. It is what all the Zen patriarchs point to, what all the Indian sages say.

What so ever we do must be understood as something which brings us away from this natural essence. We must understand fully the mechanisms responsible for dragging us away from it. As we learn to abide always in this, even in the mist of action, divinity is ours.

This is the secret to abundant life, and it is to encounter eternal life and heaven, for eternal means without time, and heaven references the ecstasy and joy which is there.

Finally, the Oneness of God is revealed, and we partake of the divine.
 
That revelation is the apocalypse, the veil is lifted, Dharma is known.

Our true nature is found once more.
 
AdvaitaZen. I agree with your mental-spiritual definition. But human beings do not communicate well at this level (JMHO). I urge you to define what you mean in terms of nous or intellect of the anviksiki.
 
radarmark said:
AdvaitaZen. I agree with your mental-spiritual definition. But human beings do not communicate well at this level (JMHO). I urge you to define what you mean in terms of nous or intellect of the anviksiki.
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These can both mean logic, but it cannot be described in this way, hence the many scriptures of this world, all are an attempt simply to point us back to the source of thought - of which logic is a particular type.

What does any concept benefit us in this moment? If we can simply be here, utterly still and silent, spring comes and the grass grows by itself. Nothing actually affects the reality, we have never fallen from grace, we can never acquire grace, but we don't even stop to notice the amazing fact of self-consciousness. We don't stop to take in the pure impossibility of what is so, the beauty of it all.

We miss so much because we are elsewhere, trapped in our thoughts.
 
This is what Buddha meant when he differentiates mind from Mind.

It is what people like Ramana Maharshi point to as Self as apposed to self.

It is merely a change in perspective, but it is mind which has caused our separation all along, it was never so.

All that is necessary is to be utterly here in this moment...

The only moment we've ever had.

Allowing this presence to consume all, we realize we are the entirety of the present.

All arises in us, only this Mind is real, all else is illusion, perceptions intended to create our experience, even science agrees all is utterly empty, that our observation creates reality.

Rest in this simplicity, enjoy.
 
Some quotes, people like quotes:

The ego is a monkey catapulting through the jungle.
Totally fascinated by the realm of the senses,
it swings from one desire to the next,
one conflict to ...the next,
one self-centered idea to the next.
If you threaten it, it actually fears for its life.

Let this monkey go.
Let the senses go.
Let desires go.
Let conflicts go.
Let ideas go.
Let the fiction of life and death go.
Just remain in the center, watching.

And then forget that you are there."

-- Lao Tzu
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When you do something, you should burn yourself completely, like a good bon fire, leaving no trace of yourself.

-- Shunryu Suzuki
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Be like melting snow ~ wash yourself of yourself.

-- Rumi
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Love is to stand before your Beloved, striped naked of all attributes, so that His qualities become your qualities.

-- Mansur Al-Hallaj
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Before notions and creations you exist,
so there are no words
for That beyond words and language.
Self doesn't need to understand Itself,
Freedom is before the concept of freedom.
... You are what remains
when the concept of "I," mind, and past disappear.
Nothingness is no concept.

-- Papaji
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All that is necessary to awaken to yourself as the radiant emptiness of spirit is to stop seeking something more or better or different, and to turn your attention inward to the awake silence that you are.

-- Adyashanti
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Tao doesn't come and go.
It is always present everywhere, like the sky.
If your mind is clouded, you won't see it,
but that doesn't mean it isn't there.
Can you let go of words and ideas,
attitudes and expectations?
... Can you be still and look inside?

~ Lao Tzu
 
AdvaitaZen said:
Truth is that from which all notions originate, including all notions about its origination. It is often called Silence, it is what Jesus points to when he said "be still and know 'I am God'". It is the whole point of meditation, it is Islam: surrendering ourselves to existence itself. It is what all the Zen patriarchs point to, what all the Indian sages say.

What so ever we do must be understood as something which brings us away from this natural essence. We must understand fully the mechanisms responsible for dragging us away from it. As we learn to abide always in this, even in the mist of action, divinity is ours.

This is the secret to abundant life, and it is to encounter eternal life and heaven, for eternal means without time, and heaven references the ecstasy and joy which is there.

Finally, the Oneness of God is revealed, and we partake of the divine.
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Many things which have no existence in reality, just imagination. The truth is that universe is constituted by 'physical energy'. That is the truth of the moment. No truth other than that.
AdvaitaZen said:
All that is necessary is to be utterly here in this moment...
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Moment, what is that? How many nano-seconds? Bigger or smaller than Planck's time. One cannot live here in this moment. The neurons do not work that fast (119 meters/second max. for muscular activity). We can only live in past. There is no present.
 
Is there a person that can Truth-fully interact with another person in a single moment? Communicate instantaneously, faster than the speed of light?

As some of you go off on your entanglement tangent, information there is not conveyed faster than the speed of light.
 
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