Is there life elsewhere in the universe?

Dookie Marcus said:
Jayhawker Soule said:
To suggest that someone who views "open mind" as a worthless idiom thereby chooses to keep himself "trapped in a bubble" is both ad hominem and distortion.

The phrase "open mind" can be used to support everything from the 'possibility' of SETI to the 'possibility' of Yeti. And while science is "open minded" in the sense that its determinations are provisional and subject to change if faced with new information, its views of SETI and Yeti are decidedly different. By claiming to be "open minded" you are dismissing the importance of discernment or you are saying exceedingly little.
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I don't think your definition of open-minded applies to me.
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I don't believe that I offered a definition. Furthermore, and with all due respect to Gordi, "the map is not the territory" and "open mind" has become an idiom with wide-ranging connotation. If all you wish to assert is that the possible remains possible (however improbable) then I'll acknowledge the assertion as both accurate and underwhelming. But if you intend to give credence to beliefs whose sole justification is theoretical possibility, then I can do no better than repeat the words of some anonymous wit: "Do not be so open-minded that your brains fall out."
 
Jayhawker Soule said:
I don't believe that I offered a definition. Furthermore, and with all due respect to Gordi, "the map is not the territory" and "open mind" has become an idiom with wide-ranging connotation. If all you wish to assert is that the possible remains possible (however improbable) then I'll acknowledge the assertion as both accurate and underwhelming. But if you intend to give credence to beliefs whose sole justification is theoretical possibility, then I can do no better than repeat the words of some anonymous wit: "Do not be so open-minded that your brains fall out."
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I will try not to let my brains fall out, but I honestly can't see anything wrong in having a open mind. To me it makes the world I live in more magical... It might be a little cheesy but its the truth.
 
Jay, if I understand your last response, above, you are saying that the definition of open minded has been perverted to mean anything is possible no matter how improbable. And if that is an accurate representation of what you wrote, I agree with you.
 
Here is an interesting development, making it much more likely :

Building blocks of life floating in space;
'The analysis of a star-forming gas cloud some 27,000 light years away from Earth, published in the journal Science, detected an iso-propyl cyanide molecule with a unique structure that is common in life-forming molecules, such as amino acids.

While finding a simple organic chemical in space is nothing new, a carbon-bearing molecule with a branched structure has been discovered for the first time, indicating that biologically crucial molecules can form not only on Earth, but in deep space too.
“This detection suggests that branched carbon-chain molecules may be generally abundant in the ISM [interstellar medium],” the study’s abstract reads.
The scientists – Dr Arnaud Belloche of the Max Planck Institute for Radioastronomy and his colleagues – found the molecule in a gas cloud called Sagittarius B2 – the “star factory” near the center of the Milky Way where many new stars are formed....'
http://rt.com/news/191008-space-organic-molecule-life/


So what is your god up to here?
Something sneaky for sure.
 
Was talking with my brother a few nights ago and the subject of life here and elsewhere came up.

Interesting piece of information popped out from our discussion and investigation. How long has multicellular life existed on planet Earth? What would be your guess, just off the top of your head. Hundreds of thousands of years? Millions of years? Billions of years?

What would your guess be?

The answer sure startled me. Multicellular life did not come into being on the planet till just under 5 billions ago. WoW! Since scientists estimate that life began as early as 5 billion years after the Earth was created, that means that for its 4 1/2 billions of years as a planet, 3 1/2 billion years life was nothing more complicated than unicellular organisms.

Kinda puts into perspective the likelihood of complex life out there in the galaxy.
 
Gordian Knot said:
Kinda puts into perspective the likelihood of complex life out there in the galaxy.
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New Scientist continues to amaze me with its claims of just how flukey the whole process is. As I think you've said before – and if not you, then someone has – the odds are infinitely stacked against two forms of which we might regard as 'human' occurring within the same meaningful frame of time and space (meaningful is the sense that they might one day discover each other).
 
I think it is highly unlikely that life doesn't exist beyond our solar system....and exponentially more unlikely that humans have developed elsewhere...

No telling what would evolve in other atmospheres...(and without)
 
It is estimated that, on the average, there are 250 billion stars in a galaxy. It is also estimated that there are 250 billion galaxies out there. That's a lot of solar systems. (How much is 250 billion times 250 billion...?)
 
wil said:
I think it is highly unlikely that life doesn't exist beyond our solar system....and exponentially more unlikely that humans have developed elsewhere...

No telling what would evolve in other atmospheres...(and without)
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I don't understand why we keep using "likely" and "unlikely" when we have no clue as to how life (as we would recognise it) is created, we don't know the odds and/or purpose.

The universe has been around a long time, but maybe it's not that long in space-years, we might very well be the first that developed with intelligence (as we would recognise it). It all depends on the odds, which we don't know.
 
.... We've found evidence of life on mars, so we know it existed off our planet, in our solar system. I think it a given that it existed/exists elsewhere.

but opposing thumbs? ability create technology... I ain't gambling on that one. Now intelligent life...I actually don't know where that line is. (dolphin, pig, dog, ape, cockroach)
 
Using the Earth as an example, life can take hold on a certain type of planet (or moon*) relatively quickly. Within 5 billion years of the creation of Earth. That is very fast!

My take away from that is that basic life is probably quite common thru-out the universe. The discouraging part is that if Earth got by for 4 billion of its 4 1/2 billion years with nothing more than unicellular life is a strong indication that such life will be the norm elsewhere. And that anything more complicated is going to be extremely uncommon.

That as far as we know, humans have been the first instance on this planet of self-aware life with the ability to project thinking into hypothetical future events - and that humans have been around for a few million years. Ouch! Earth managed to get by with extremely complicated (fishes, dinosaurs, proto-mammals, and all nonhuman mammals today) life forms for billions of years without ever having that life gain intelligence as is typical of our race.

Human type beings would seem to be the extremely extreme rarity of how life evolved. In fact it is yet to be proven if human type beings are a good thing for a planet, or a force for destruction of said planet. Could be that our type of life is an aberration of nature. I figure the next hundred years or so should settle this question one way or the other.

*One of the newer theories gaining popularity is that basic life might be viable on Moons, and that this might be more common than life on planets. Scientists theorize that life is potentially possible on three moons in our solar system alone: Titan, Europa and Ganymede.
 
Gordian Knot said:
Using the Earth as an example, life can take hold on a certain type of planet (or moon*) relatively quickly. Within 5 billion years of the creation of Earth. That is very fast!
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I think you take to much out of this. Life CAN appear. But what are the exact conditions?
 
donnann said:
Do you think there is life that exists elsewhere in the universe and if so is there any scriptural proof to back that up?
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well they mention pladies in the bible and that is thought to have life.
 
Thomas said:
Well, according to New Scientist, the more we underastand the origins of human life here on planet earth, the more unlikely the chances of finding life elsewhere in the universe...
...I always thought the odds on life elsewhere were pretty good, considering the potential number of elsewheres there are ... but New Scientist does give one reason to pause. We have no way of knowing, nor any need to assume, that the same or similar series of sometimes totally 'off-the-wall' events happened anywhere else at all, with any meaningful reference to us.
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I worked out the method of understanding telepathy and dreams. defining dreams as telepathy in the sleeping state. Once you have this skill you are able to address your questions to specific people, and hopefully comprehend the answer.
I did ask the Creator this very same question and the dream that followed showed that yes, indeed, the universe is pretty evenly populated by planets supporting earth-like life, although not all carbon based. I have the image posted on my website.
 
wil said:
I think it is highly unlikely that life doesn't exist beyond our solar system....and exponentially more unlikely that humans have developed elsewhere...

No telling what would evolve in other atmospheres...(and without)
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There is a good chance that they are reptiles or mammal like reptiles; if Earth's history is anything to go by. But for the mass extinctions of a asteroid impact, we might have been more reptilian.
 
Maybe. One has to remember that the extinction event of the dinosaurs was but the latest of mass extinction events. There were four mass extinction events before the dinosaurs. Each event led to new forms of life taking the main niches. What new form life might take after an extinction event seems to be more of a roll of the dice outcome.

The extinction event that made way for the dinosaurs killed creatures that were mostly mammal-like creatures, many large amphibians, and all non-dinosaur archosaurs. So mammal like was top of the food chain before the dinosaurs. They were wiped out and the dinosaurs took top spot. They were wiped out and modern day mammals took over.
 
Kbondar said:
I worked out the method of understanding telepathy and dreams. defining dreams as telepathy in the sleeping state. Once you have this skill you are able to address your questions to specific people, and hopefully comprehend the answer.
I did ask the Creator this very same question and the dream that followed showed that yes, indeed, the universe is pretty evenly populated by planets supporting earth-like life, although not all carbon based. I have the image posted on my website.
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I have just explained how I came to that information and lining up behind the New Scientist you just called me a lier without any attempt to verify the validity of my statement. I guess most people need to wait to get on the bandwagen til something becomes common knowledge.
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