Pope Francis says baptism is for all, even Martians

The Adept said:
There are no Martians.

Any aliens will have a quite different collection of religions.
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Now that would be interesting eh?

What they came up with....

How many there were...

Or did they never create a god....

or did G!d never talk to them?

of course that discussion would contain as much conjecture and imagination as the ones we have here!!
 
wil said:
Now that would be interesting eh?

What they came up with....

How many there were...

Or did they never create a god....

or did G!d never talk to them?

of course that discussion would contain as much conjecture and imagination as the ones we have here!!
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It is interesting.
I presume they would have started with names for the Sun god and sky god, a sex goddess and pastoral pan god of music?

No moon goddess unless their planet had a moon and even then it could orbit as differently as they are.

Images of the gods of the sky, forces of nature and the voice of thunder; idols a plenty and pagan rites. Then the drift got cleaned up by the great teachers, who's religions fell into error such as anti-sex, and so they had to have Adepts come along and re-correct the corrections.

They also get a different zodiac.

Their Adept teaches them that the gods do not exist.!
'Great is The Adept' they say; 'I see you have one too.'
 
Interesting to me that we assume any intelligent life elsewhere in the cosmos must a priori create religions. I see no reason to assume that would be a given. And, following from that, no reason to assume they would create Gods.

It would pose a fascinating experience though. Just for the sake of discussion, imagine we meet a space faring civilization and they have Gods. But it turns out their Gods are not our Gods. And their One True God is not the One True God that many Earthlings insist is the Only One True God.

So here we have two intelligent forms of life. Us and them. Our God and Gods are not the same. How would our (and their) religions cope with this I wonder. Well, except for the time honored tradition of simply saying they are wrong just because we say so.
 
Devils' Advocate said:
Interesting to me that we assume any intelligent life elsewhere in the cosmos must a priori create religions. I see no reason to assume that would be a given. And, following from that, no reason to assume they would create Gods.

It would pose a fascinating experience though. Just for the sake of discussion, imagine we meet a space faring civilization and they have Gods. But it turns out their Gods are not our Gods. And their One True God is not the One True God that many Earthlings insist is the Only One True God.

So here we have two intelligent forms of life. Us and them. Our God and Gods are not the same. How would our (and their) religions cope with this I wonder. Well, except for the time honored tradition of simply saying they are wrong just because we say so.
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I'd say it would be much more interesting if they had a God, and the message (and maybe even name) coincided with those of a religion here. what would that produce. Imagine a world that when first discovered says: "There is no god but Allah and Mouhammed (PBUH) is his messenger". I don't expect to find new life anytime soon, but that would be a hell of a sign.
 
And if they said that, but told you that the Bahaulla or Haile Selassie or Joseph Smith was his latest messenger?

Would that still be a sign? Or blasphemy?
 
wil said:
And if they said that, but told you that the Bahaulla or Haile Selassie or Joseph Smith was his latest messenger?

Would that still be a sign? Or blasphemy?
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I think it would be a fairly clear sign... but we are way off in what if land...
 
I don't expect to find intelligent life from another world any time soon either, for better of for worse. But what a fascinating experience it would be if religion was a completely alien (no pun intended) concept to them.

Of course the first thing that would happen is we would start trying to convert them!
 
If they came 3000 years ago...say during Ezekial's time....they would be thought to be G!d.


eziekialwheel.jpg
And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire. 5Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man. 6And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings. 7And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass. 8And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings. 9Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward. 10As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle. 11Thus were their faces: and their wings were stretched upward; two wings of every one were joined one to another, and two covered their bodies. 12And they went every one straight forward: whither the spirit was to go, they went; and they turned not when they went. 13As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning. 14And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.

Vision of the Four Wheels
15Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces. 16The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel. 17When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went. 18As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four. 19And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up. 20Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels. 21When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.

Vision of the Divine Glory
22And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above. 23And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies. 24And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings. 25And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings.

26And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. 27And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about. 28As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.
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When I was a child my Grandmother would not sweep anything out of the door after dark so I asked her why. She told me it was bad luck. I said, I had no idea you were superstitious. She replied, "I am not. I just figure it doesn't hurt to wait until morning."

Well if the Pope said that about baptism I reckon I can now pad my odds. I could never answer the questions correctly. Believe I will now get Baptized per the Pope. Couldn't hurt. ;)
 
BigJoeNobody said:
I'd say it would be much more interesting if they had a God, and the message (and maybe even name) coincided with those of a religion here. what would that produce. Imagine a world that when first discovered says: "There is no god but Allah and Mouhammed (PBUH) is his messenger". I don't expect to find new life anytime soon, but that would be a hell of a sign.
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The linguistics would be different and the arbitrary code:

"There is no god but Zodes and Zamdanger is his favoured'
Face away from the idol of Zodes upon Planet Kasamo.
Clap three times and bow.
?
or perhaps more like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAMpqjnr-5A
 
Devils' Advocate said:
Interesting to me that we assume any intelligent life elsewhere in the cosmos must a priori create religions. I see no reason to assume that would be a given. ...
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Early attempts at rationalization of the unexplained forces of nature.

Ancients humans did not look up at the Sun and hear the thunder and say
'Ball of Fire and electricity...can't wait until we know what electricity is.'
 
Agreed. That is what primitive humans did. That does not mean an alien species would treat the unknown as primitive humans did.

We can not even know what senses an alien species might have developed. What if they developed organs that could 'see' sound waves, for example. Their reaction to external stimuli might be based on completely different criteria.

Which was my point in the beginning. Presumptuous of us to think that an alien species must create religion just because we did.
 
"When I was a child my Grandmother would not sweep anything out of the door after dark so I asked her why. She told me it was bad luck. I said, I had no idea you were superstitious. She replied, "I am not. I just figure it doesn't hurt to wait until morning."

--> Superstitious people never admit they are superstitious.
 
Devils' Advocate said:
We can not even know what senses an alien species might have developed. What if they developed organs that could 'see' sound waves, for example. Their reaction to external stimuli might be based on completely different criteria.
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See soundwaves... don't we just call it hearing?

Whether the analogy is correct or not I am not arguing...what I am contemplating is what we do. It is my understanding we don't 'see' or 'hear' anything... we have organs that take in light and sound information transmit it to electronic signals (are we binary?) and then corresponding points in our brain reconnect the signals into ??
 
I agree, Wil, we don't actually see or hear - we just call what we see 'seeing' and what we hear 'hearing'. We can only function if we supply definitions to our perceptions.

That does not mean we can 'see' hearing. We cannot 'see' sound waves. Well not without special mechanical tools anyway.

A being who could see hearing would be looking at sound waves similar to the way we perceive light waves. Their perception of reality through their brain centers would be completely different from our perception.

Heck I'm not sure we even need to leave the planet for potential examples. Creatures that rely on sound waves as their primary form of perception, from bats to dolphins - are they 'hearing' the returning signals of their echo location? Or are their brains wired to form a visual image from the sound patterns that come back to them.

To my knowledge nobody really knows the answer to that question. Though admittedly I have not done any serious research into the subject.
 
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