Religious Views On Evolution

Oh dear ...

Just found out that Michael Behe, referenced above as a proponent of ID, is a biochemist and a Catholic! He's senior fellow at the Discovery Institute.

Oh behalf of the rest of us, apologies... where's Teilhard de Chardin when you need him?
 
Oh, you may kid yourself, old chum, but inside you know I've won them all, and I'll not trouble you with your own goals.

If you think you did, that's fine with me . I am not here to convert anyone to my way of thinking. Just giving some bones to chew on.

By the way, are you Donald Trump?


When the choice is between crude and corrupt. I will hold my nose and vote for crude over corrupt.
 
Great article thomas posted.omega...

Did you read it?

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2006/11/evolution/zimmer-text

Just read it. As usual it was just the same old evo rhetoric. They offered not one single bit of scientific evidence. If I over looked any, feel free to post it.
They even had to distort the picture by calling a wing a fin. Those bat's mommy and daddy were bats and those bats will never have anything but kids after their kind. Something can be proven by observation and can't be falsified.

They also pointed to the fossil record as evidence of evolution. Even many evolutionist, including 2 of the great heroes of your faith, Gould and Mayr, have abandoned using the fossil record. Both have made statement like "New species usually appear in the fossil record suddenly, not connected by a series of intermediates."

If evolution was true, the great majority of fossils wold be intermediates and after 100+ years, you have zero, zillch, nada
 
Oh dear ...

Just found out that Michael Behe, referenced above as a proponent of ID, is a biochemist and a Catholic! He's senior fellow at the Discovery Institute.

Oh behalf of the rest of us, apologies... where's Teilhard de Chardin when you need him?

I hope the pope doesn't excommunicate him for going against his infallibility. -:)
 
Do you understand the concept of a light year?

Do you understand the universe is billions of years old?

I suggest you go debate your theories on a science site....have fun.
 
Picking up from a comment above, if anyone's interested, bats are one of my favourite evolutionary examples.

Check out this for an arms race.
 
Do you understand the concept of a light year?

Do you understand the universe is billions of years old?

I suggest you go debate your theories on a science site....have fun.

It does no good to debate them here. None of the true believers here can support the theology of Darwin. They all run away when ask for the evidence that support their rhetoric. If the universe is billions of years ole, provide the evidence. Talk is cheap.

Do you not understand what omnipotence means?
 
The pope believes in evolution, carbon dating, and a billion year old universe and doesn't believe in seven days of creation.

The pope has no scientific background. If he is not infallible in religion, he is also not infallible in science. The Catholic church was embarrassed when science proved the earth was not the center of the universe. That caused them to jump onto the false doctrines of evolution so they would not be embarrassed again.
 
If the universe is billions of years ole, provide the evidence.
Assuming you haven't got cable, turn on your TV when all the networks have shut down, or de-tune it off a network channel. That fuzz washing across the screen? Background radiation from the Big Bang. Fact.
 
Gee, everyone is having so much fun venturing down this rabbit hole yet again. Perhaps I should take the plunge as well and see if I can't unite both camps in total disagreement with what I'm about to say.:D

When asked which I subscribe to, evolution or creation, my usual response is, "Yes." Which of course thoroughly confuses most. It's just that in my way of thinking, evolution vs creation is not an either/or proposition. Pure conjecture on my part, based on various religious and non-religious teachings, but for me, one is the result of the other. God's initial creation paved the way for some type of evolutionary process which in turn provided the framework for the separate creation of man in the flesh and certain other creatures.

As to the age of the universe, well no one knows for sure, but I'd be willing to bet that it's very close to the best scientific estimates. Many insist this can't be true, because it tends to contradict the Bible, but I don't see it that way. I'm of the belief that a huge amount of time passed between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 and that these passages recount separate events. Genesis 1:1 referring to the initial creation and Genesis 1:2 describing the planet's restoration and the creation of man in the flesh. So when God said, "Let their be light" he's not talking about the initial creation of light, but rather, enabling what had already been created to shine through over time. And, "Let us make them in our own image..." refers to using the building blocks of evolution to create new flesh vessels, to house our souls as they already existed in spiritual form. So yes, with divine influence, there was an evolutionary process of sorts. However, man is not the result of it, but was rather created from it. Can I prove that? Nope, not a word. At least not as far as the academic definition of proof is concerned. Just my take on things.

Ok, let the stone throwing begin!:D
 
Gee, everyone is having so much fun venturing down this rabbit hole yet again. Perhaps I should take the plunge as well and see if I can't unite both camps in total disagreement with what I'm about to say.:D
LOL. Nice try, though ...

My only two bits of grit:
The time thing comes across as a bit of a 'fix' to square the 'scripture v science' mis-argument?

And the soul/body duality is a tad too dualist for my Hebrew-Christian-Hellenic taste.
 
My only two bits of grit:
The time thing comes across as a bit of a 'fix' to square the 'scripture v science' mis-argument?

And the soul/body duality is a tad too dualist for my Hebrew-Christian-Hellenic taste.
Yups. Lots of people see it that way.
 
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