What is the problem with Islam?

Maitreya said:
1. Ok. So it would possibly be true with marrying the 6 year old and making her a woman at 9, as well. Here is some defense for Mohammad: http://www.themodernreligion.com/prophet/prophet_aisha.htm

2. About rape in Islam: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Rape_in_Islam
About the veil: http://www.islamicfaq.org/veil/

3. He he he. "perfect" companions for physical pleasure and 72 of them. Ok where do I join? :eek:D More importantly, do you really believe it?

4. So you really believe that "he did ascend to heaven"?

5. So you believe Allah does not intervene? Then there is a small logical problem of evil in this world...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil#Logical_problem_of_evil

6. Ok. So you believe you will go to hell if you stop believing in Islam but that there says nowhere in Islam that anyone must kill the apostate? Then why do you think that apostates are being killed and why in the name of Islam and not in other religions? Could it be this reason: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam#Qur.27an ?

7. Is it possible you have been Misguided and led Astray?

8. Well, why would you believe in Imaam Mahdi? http://www.inter-islam.org/faith/mahdi1.htm. Well Israel control Washington who control Obama and they have tons of nukes, furthermore they are now arming Iran with a few of them. Will Muslims loose big-time? Well, what do you think is the plan?

I could be Imaam Mahdi, but of course you are the one who will believe that or not and only history will finally tell.
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your references are WikiIslam (a known hate site) and Wikipedia (can be useful as a quick reference, but never for a opinion on such a demanding question) for a vast majority of these... maybe your issue with finding the truth has more to do with finding better references and disregarding those known to be false.

Maybe if you dropped the "I know more than you" tone, you might find people more willing to discuss in greater detail. Before Farhan, you had 2 people address your questions 1 x 1 with no reason to think we are either answering mischievously or misinformed. So let's recap your responses

1. 2 people, say age is unknown because you ask if she married at 6. you went on to post a site, you apparently believe is accurate given the fact you stated it 2x. Yet If you knew this site, and had knowledge of the topic, why ask?

2. Wikiislam, hate site... enough said, Followed by IslamicFAQ... Not a general favorite of mine, but gives a broad argument for encouragement that I wouldn't have made (given translation errors used).

3. you ask, I answer, you berate me, then ask if I really believe it. Yes I believe Allah is perfectly capable of making new beings perfect for physical enjoyment. The number does not matter. and to answer your other question, yes. women Will be provided with support for whatever their needs/wants are as well

4. Yes. not sure why you need confirmation... are you questioning my honesty of belief?

5. your argument is completely invalid in the question proposed. square peg round hole if you will... you asked (paraphrase) if he knew why didn't he intervene himself. My answer was simply that he already did, and leaves it up to those he taught to act lawfully and promote justice. your logical problem of evil, does not apply, and if you want to make a discussion of the topic, I'm sure you can find credible information here and all over the web about how each and every faith solves that issue.

6. Islam is very particular about wording. It takes a while to grasp the nuances. MUST is a strong word meaning there is no alternative. Are there reasons that might warrant killing an apostate in Islam, yes. Those reasons are very particular, and they are rarely supposed to be used. People are misguided, and that leads to issues. things that were meant as alternatives, are now mainstays with some people.

lets also address 1 more issue... IF Christians/Jews aren;t killing apostates, they are disregarding their law that says it verbatum in their scripture.

7. Possible, unlikely seeing as how I am not that social of a person, and when someone does tell me something I demand references. If I am, I am perfectly fine trusting in Allah to set me straight.

8. Oh the Mahdi concept is not unfathomable. I have no problem if someone displayed the characteristics of him, but I am not looking at it as fact unless it happens. The nuclear claim was the same for Pakistan, China, North Korea, even Russia. seems they all have yet to fire. But Iran is an enemy of Israel, so maybe it will happen, but I just don't think it will.

And don't worry about IF you are the Mahdi... you are not. Problem solved. You already display tactics the Mahdi wouldn't resort to.
 
farhan said:
Why is anybody interested in insulting Muhammad in the first place. Dont you people have any sense of sacredness? If not, then why not insult your own people, your ancestors, your nations, and ideals (or lack of them)
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I am not that interested in getting into the debate over Islam. I do have to call you on this one response though. The question asked was why did Muslim's need to kill people who created cartoons of Mohammed. This response of yours completely ignores the question. And it IS a valid question.
 
BigJoeNobody said:
lets also address 1 more issue... IF Christians/Jews aren;t killing apostates, they are disregarding their law that says it verbatum in their scripture.
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Joe, this is one of your comments that you have posted more than once. Rather than calling the killing of people over perceived slights as wrong, you say the Christians and Jews should be doing the same thing. Is that really the stance you are taking? We should be increasing the killing over any slights that are somewhere in the Torah, the Bible and the Quran?
 
Devils' Advocate said:
Joe, this is one of your comments that you have posted more than once. Rather than calling the killing of people over perceived slights as wrong, you say the Christians and Jews should be doing the same thing. Is that really the stance you are taking? We should be increasing the killing over any slights that are somewhere in the Torah, the Bible and the Quran?
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no, it is pointing to the irony that Christians/Jews say we do this according to our religion, where as it is not true (with a few exceptions, I will give you that there are conditions where it is permissible, but those conditions mean the person is violating other rules as well); all the while the Bible/Torah clearly states to kill anyone who worships unknown to their fathers (ie other Gods, or even other names for God if taken literally)

I am all for no killing, except in the cases of Murder/rape/severe issues that are reoccuring
 
and just to point out another flaw in your assessment, I stated this was "1 more issue", meaning it is not attached to the aforementioned question. It might be related, but only through irony as I stated.
 
So you would agree that the murders at Charlie Hebdo was criminal, and that it is not the law under Islam? Cause I'm not trying to put you, or anybody on the spot - I am asking questions because I am trying to understand what is Islamic law and what is not. You say that what Islam teaches is plain as day, and I'm sure to you it is. Looking in from the outside though at what is happening in the world today, it seems completely open to each individual/group's interpretation.
 
Devils' Advocate said:
So you would agree that the murders at Charlie Hebdo was criminal, and that it is not the law under Islam?
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Absolutely. Killing a non-believer for making fun of the Prophet (PBUH) is not legal in Shariah (to my understanding, as I am in no position to make Fatwas). Many Hadith show this to be true. I will not go as far to say there is never a time where killing someone who disrespects the prophet is called for, as I can think of a few (these would be in Islamic Controlled Areas, and justification comes from the preservation and stabilization of the area.)

The Quran gives guidance to the correct path in dealing with these issues.
You will surely be tested in your possessions and in yourselves. And you will surely hear from those who were given the Scripture before you and from those who associate others with Allah much abuse. But if you are patient and fear Allah - indeed, that is of the matters [worthy] of determination. (Quran 3:186)
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Devils' Advocate said:
Looking in from the outside though at what is happening in the world today, it seems completely open to each individual/group's interpretation.
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I agree with your sentiment. What I would say is in Islam we believe there to be a single correct path, and that is the path that we are instructed to take. One can reach Heaven on other paths, but the primary path is the best. So I concede that they could also be right, in their view that killing is necessary, but I doubt it highly that their view is more correct, and highly suspect that they are wrong altogether.
 
Wikiislam LOL I'm surprised you didn't post a link for Daniel Pipes
 
Devils' Advocate said:
he question asked was why did Muslim's need to kill people who created cartoons of Mohammed.
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I'd always heard that it was important to not depict Mohammed or other important Muslim leaders due to fears of those images leading to idolatry. Hence why when you do see images of Mohammed, he is engulfed in holy fire (not sure if that's the right phrase, but that was how it was described to me by a Muslim friend in college) that obstruct his facial features. There are much better versed people on here on the subject than I am, so if I have this wrong, please set me straight.
 
Devils' Advocate said:
The question asked was why did Muslim's need to kill people who created cartoons of Mohammed.
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Most probably out of frustration. These events are seen as deliberate provocation by muslims, and are usually followed by "you aint so civilized to get our freedom of speech" kind of hypocritical arguments. Freedom of speech is what Assange or Snowden are doing.
 
StevePame said:
I'd always heard that it was important to not depict Mohammed or other important Muslim leaders due to fears of those images leading to idolatry. Hence why when you do see images of Mohammed, he is engulfed in holy fire (not sure if that's the right phrase, but that was how it was described to me by a Muslim friend in college) that obstruct his facial features. There are much better versed people on here on the subject than I am, so if I have this wrong, please set me straight.
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This I have heard, but I think earlier generations of Muslims had books with depictions of him in them. I don't think its as serious a stricture as people say. Probably it is just a lot of ado about nothing.
 
Different sects follow different hadiths.and then some folks are more.radical..

I'd like folks to slask the same question... Why did they have to shoot up this school ornthat school or the theater or McDonalds or post office? Crazy people do crazy things.
 
farhan said:
Most probably out of frustration. These events are seen as deliberate provocation by muslims, and are usually followed by "you aint so civilized to get our freedom of speech" kind of hypocritical arguments.
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If the group only satirized Islam it would be deliberate provocation. Since the mag satirizes everything and everyone, it is simply that - a satirical magazine. No one else who has been slammed by their bizarre humor needed to go there and kill people. Just Muslims. And yes I know that it was but a few select murderers who decided to do the deed; not very many Muslim's spoke up against them for doing it.

And if everyone started resorting to murder because of their frustrations, there wouldn't be many people left on the planet. Fortunately the majority of people deal with their frustrations in a more civilized manner.
 
Devils' Advocate said:
not very many Muslim's spoke up against them for doing it.
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I'm sure if you look a little you find this statement just isn't true...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/07/muslims-respond-charlie-hebdo_n_6429710.html
for 1 reference. ISGH (local Muslim Community in Houston) issued a public announcement of condemnation. The Mosque I attend Jummah, has had multiple Khutbas that included why the attacks were incorrect... fundamentally speaking there is no reason for this to have occurred.
 
Devils' Advocate said:
If the group only satirized Islam it would be deliberate provocation. Since the mag satirizes everything and everyone, it is simply that - a satirical magazine. No one else who has been slammed by their bizarre humor needed to go there and kill people. Just Muslims. And yes I know that it was but a few select murderers who decided to do the deed; not very many Muslim's spoke up against them for doing it.

And if everyone started resorting to murder because of their frustrations, there wouldn't be many people left on the planet. Fortunately the majority of people deal with their frustrations in a more civilized manner.
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How about satirizing holocaust, 911 etc. That would be a good start.

Very many muslims dont feel the urge to to speak, how many Americans ever speak against the whole list of mass murders starting form Natives? And when they do, its not a news. Recently 1000 scholars from India denounced ISIS as unislamic, did you get that in your news?

Majority of people respond to different stimuli differently. May be start satirizing 911, holocaust, ben-gurion etc, and then reply the opposition with freedom of speech argument, and then we'll see
 
farhan said:
Majority of people respond to different stimuli differently. May be start satirizing 911, holocaust, ben-gurion etc, and then reply the opposition with freedom of speech argument, and then we'll see
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Do you know for a fact they haven't? And if they did what would happen. Outrage. Condemnation. Furious people protesting even. But no one would storm the office and murder the employees. And that is the whole point here.
 
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