Truth about Religious Texts

The problem is twofold:

The first is that we're reading meanings into gematria that might not necessarily be there. That's why I asked for references to Gematria definitions of '888' as meaning 'the resurrected body' before Christ, rather than, as I suspect, someone might be working the definitions retroactively, to fit Christ.

Secondly, it's been clearly demonstrated that you can work a numerical code to decipher all manner of stuff from any big enough text, purely on the law of averages. I used to have a link to show how Moby Dick (written 1851) contained prophesies regarding WW1, WW2, Hiroshima, the assassination of JFK, and no doubt the fall of the Twin Towers, etc., etc.

Of course there are 'startling' correspondences when we see that this significant word/phrase equals '888' and so does that, but the point is, we ignore all the other significant words and phrases that don't equal '888' ...

In one of the links, it says:
The Number 888 is a most symmetrical Number - it can be reflected, inverted, and have its digits permuted - all with no change in its appearance. This coheres with God's use of this Number when He declared He eternal unchanging nature...
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The problem here is, the number '8' as we draw it today didn't take the shape it has until sometime after the 11th century in Europe. So '888' was never written like that until the early Middle Ages in Europe, and nowhere else. '8' is not how you write the glyph for eight in either the Hindu nor Arabic languages – Arabic is something like an upturned 'V' – so are we saying God kept that secret until the Europeans came along?

(And, being a typographer, I can tell you one cannot invert or reflect the number without it looking 'wrong'. Only post 20th-century geometric sans serif fonts can do that, but even then not all, as it is the norm to have the upper loop smaller than the lower loop ... )
 
Adendum – Doing a search, my reference was in discussion with a Jehovah's Witness, pointing out that all the prophecies the JWs get from their 'Bible code' can be got from Moby Dick.

Radarmark (where is he?) on another thread infers – I think I'm right in saying – that we can now run algorithms on any big enough text to extract anything we're looking for!

I am a 'holistic symbolist' with regard to Christianity. I wouldn't be surprised if it was revealed that there was a 'code', but the point is, does the 'code' say anything more than what the plain text says? No, in fact, it doesn't really say anything at all, or rather, the code is deciphered in the light of the plain text.
 
Of course there are 'startling' correspondences when we see that this significant word/phrase equals '888' and so does that, but the point is, we ignore all the other significant words and phrases that don't equal '888' … Thomas.

This! So much of pseudo science, prophecy, paranormal activities, and yes, religions are rife with this basic human fallacy. One thinks of a friend and they call. Wow. Amazing! Well, taken as a singular event, maybe. But what about all the times one has thought of friends and they have not called. The large majority of the time. Put in perspective, the success rate is rather dismal indeed.
 
Always the question...every end of times prophecy.... every one (to date) has been wrong.

And so many continue to listen to the same folk saying...oops I was wrong...but now i've got a new date...the signs...the signs...
 
dang... I answered and it didn't post...this and Chevy Van are earworms that got stuck in my head when I'm hitch hikin across country...
 
Well Nick happened to pick one that falls right within my wheelhouse. I listened to them for a couple of hours this afternoon. Memories... ♪ ♫ ♪
 
My, my, we are showing our ages by revealing which songs we used to listen to, back in the day.

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juice said:
Hello Everyone,


I have some questions that might seems confusing and might be repetitive
and upset some believers even me, but I want the truth.
Now, some books was never placed in the bible for reasons we don't
know. I try to research the book o Enoch and read some interesting comments
about it.
Is it truly a book of lies as half say, or there some truth to it as the
other half claims?
Is there a bible that existed before all the translations,quran,etc...?
And if not, why do people heavily use and believe in the KJV over others?


I know and believe that God existed and wondered what was the true name
of Jesus since many would claim that the letter J never existed before
Constantine ordain Christianity as a religion?

If you can answer this feel free to shed light on this because I am fed-up
with all these lies and confusion now a days pertaining to religion.
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My late father-in-law once said;

"Faith in God lie not in the words of man, but has been born unto you and is contained within your heart."

I wholeheartedly believe this and hope the words of this simple man will help you in your quest for truth.
 
juice said:
Hello Everyone,


I have some questions that might seems confusing and might be repetitive
and upset some believers even me, but I want the truth.
Now, some books was never placed in the bible for reasons we don't
know. I try to research the book o Enoch and read some interesting comments
about it.
Is it truly a book of lies as half say, or there some truth to it as the
other half claims?
Is there a bible that existed before all the translations,quran,etc...?
And if not, why do people heavily use and believe in the KJV over others?

I know and believe that God existed and wondered what was the true name
of Jesus since many would claim that the letter J never existed before
Constantine ordain Christianity as a religion?

If you can answer this feel free to shed light on this because I am fed-up
with all these lies and confusion now a days pertaining to religion.
Click to expand...
 
juice said:
Hello Everyone,

I know and believe that God existed and wondered what was the true name of Jesus since many would claim that the letter J never existed before
Constantine ordain Christianity as a religion?
Click to expand...

The Primal Cause of the universe is not subject to time or place. Therefore is not proper to speak about God in the past or in the future but IMHO, only in the present. God exists or God is and not "existed" or was. Now, as the name Jesus is concerned, true that in Hebrew we don't have the letter "J". So, the Hebrew name of Jesus was Yeshua ben Yoseph. The letter "J" does not exist in Hebrew even after Constantine adopted Christianity as the religion of the Empire in the 4th Century.
 
juice said:
Hello Everyone,

I know and believe that God existed and wondered what was the true name of Jesus since many would claim that the letter J never existed before
Constantine ordain Christianity as a religion?
Click to expand...

The Primal Cause of the universe is not subject to time or space. Therefore, He exists. When Moses was assigned with the mission to take the Israelites out of Egypt and into the Promised Land, he asked what to say when the Israelites asked the name of who sent him to do that job. The Lord said: Just tell them that "I AM" sent you. (Exod. 3:14)

Now, as Jesus' name was concerned. True that "J" does not exist in the Hebrew language. So, Jesus in Hebrew was called "Yeshua" Yeshua ben Yoseph.
 
The Book of Enoch never contradict the Bible teaching it does support it ....Just for one? and i consider exceptional.
 
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Personally, I've understood names, words and numbers to be human constructs, formulated to communicate or symbolise what couldn't be physically demonstrated.

So I find it strange when people look for spiritual significance or power in words and especially numbers in their search for the truth, because among the millions of words written about God and about spirituality, we can't confirm any actual words or numbers to be a direct communication from God, despite what some authors would have us believe.

I'm not saying that God never communicated with these people, or that that their words mean nothing - only that I don't believe it was communicated directly through these human words or numbers. They would either have been selected by humans in an attempt to communicate or share, in a more concrete way, what they understood on a spiritual level, or they were 'made up' to give their 'communication' more credence.

So Juice, IMHO, I don't think you'll find the 'truth' written down for you anywhere in plain English - if that's what you're looking for. Be open to gradually understanding a truth that finds you without words, and resists your attempts to define it. Then you'll know you're onto something. Everything else is a valiant but imperfect attempt at communicating the same truth.
 
This is an interesting topic and I wanted to add my own comments:

There are at least three systems of numerical values of letters that I've heard of...

The first is Kabbalistic reckoning:
http://www.numerologynumber.net/kabbalah-numerologyning
Gematria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gematria
Abjad reckoning
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abjad_numerals

Of course the system of numbers we use today in the West was derived from Arabic and Hindu sources began around the 9th century which is comparatively "recent" in relation to ancient scriptures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals

Traditionally more mystical interpretations of scriptures have used one of the above three systems. There are also "hidden" meanings that are conveyed in a kind of Code to convey meanings among groups that could be persecuted.
 
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