Sharia and social justice

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I do not believe there can be any social justice unless somehow the big multinational corporations can be broken up and controlled somehow. Since I am very ignorant of Islam and history what would be the modern interpretation of Sharia, in regards of corporate rights= person (i.e. lobbying)? I am aware of sharia banking, and I know in the UK there is a big move to implement something. Of course it is always a danger to promote something that would be unfit modern society such as women's rights and cultural norms, so I am very skeptical.
 
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Its a difficult question, since Islamic intellectual tradition got destroyed by Mongols some 700 years ago, and now it has just started to resurrect itself. Whats being marketed as sharia banking is only slightly different from contemporary banking, so it wont be making any big difference in the current economic scenario. Any really Islamic economic system is always going to be very left leaning, with a complete welfare system, government ownership of natural resources, very different taxation systems, very different investment systems, curtailed rights of corporates, and may be no place for private banks that on one hand keep the masses and governments enslaved by loans that never existed in the first place, and on the other hand keep feeding the corps. Throughout the 20th century, any such effort was destroyed by capitalist powers, many times in many countries, and substituted by "privatize the whole country" capitalism. So I am also very skeptical about the whole thing happening any time soon.
 
All was well when a business was a business (not a lobbying entity alas person) and it remained relatively small, but agile, innovative and humane...
I am a history aficionado, but the Mongol<->Islam conflict is somewhat of a news to me...
farhan said:
Its a difficult question, since Islamic intellectual tradition got destroyed by Mongols some 700 years ago, and now it has just started to resurrect itself. Whats being marketed as sharia banking is only slightly different from contemporary banking, so it wont be making any big difference in the current economic scenario. Any really Islamic economic system is always going to be very left leaning, with a complete welfare system, government ownership of natural resources, very different taxation systems, very different investment systems, curtailed rights of corporates, and may be no place for private banks that on one hand keep the masses and governments enslaved by loans that never existed in the first place, and on the other hand keep feeding the corps. Throughout the 20th century, any such effort was destroyed by capitalist powers, many times in many countries, and substituted by "privatize the whole country" capitalism. So I am also very skeptical about the whole thing happening any time soon.
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I don't know enough about Sharia or Islam to say much meaningful but think the economic rules I understand are suggested by some of it's earlier forms, and even some forms of early Judaism, are orders of magnitude superior to the obscene inequities we live under today.

That said, I would not want to live under a Theocracy of any stripe. Deity does it's work from within the human heart outward. Trying to force it to happen through outward pressure on the inner being has never, ever worked and often led to unmitigated tragedy or genocide.

When humans try to do what only God (or whatever name you want to call the ineffable love that breathes us alive) can do the original and perpetual "SIN" of paradise's fallen creature has been blindly committed all over once again.
 
the multinational corporations are the real power behind the puppet governments these days; they rule the roost! and they will defend their greedy ways with everything they got including war so there is nothing much muslims can do now except lobby along with socialists for whatever change we can make for the better although this is a losing battle.
 
but all is not lost; soon divine help will come in the form a Muslim army that will stop this injustice by force; the only way it can be stopped
 
Muslims standing up against Wahabists, Salifists, Boko Harum, Al Queda, ISIS, Taliban, any radical states which oppress their people and distort Islam with non Quranic hate inciting violence?

I am all for it. The solution to this will not come from outside of Islam, it must come from within or this virus will destroy it.
 
A Cup Of Tea said:
If the help comes in the form of an army, I don't want it.
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I can understand your not wanting war; I don't want it either, but no need to worry as the coming one will be in defence, i.e, these greedy monsters will attack first and divine help will come in the form of God inspiring one man; under his leadersihp the revolution will begin!
 
Devils' Advocate said:
A Muslim army is divine help? Seems more mortal help to me.
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it will be divine help as the corporates will be even stronger then; Muslims will be defeated everywhere and mc donlads and starbuks will advance as far as the city of Medinah; then Allah will inspire one man; ALlah will change him overnight .. then the monsters' time will be up!
 
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