Jesus died: we're all saved?

Dear Blue

Just a couple of examples:

A county child psychologist with a brain tumor said

"I would not have survived without your book, the doctors gave me no hope"

A woman was told she would end up in a wheelchair'

She claims a rebirth through the technqiues that I shared with her, walks, does yoga and now works with children spreading love, light and healing.

A cocaine addict

Not only was he reborn but the drug dealer was so impressed by the change in him he asked him 'what are you on, whatever it is I want some of it?"

The ex-addict responded, "I am buzzing on Reiki the universal life energy" The dealer then came into my domain and he was then reborn and is no longer a dealer but living the good life in Italy and planning to build an eco-village.

An 8 year old child that was burning down phoneboxes, he had seen doctors and psychologists, behavioural specialists, you name it and he had seen them. I was the last resort before detention of some kind. I spent 3 hours with him and six months work with the mother and now we have the perfect child that he was born to be!

Christ works through us, the door is always open but there are many paths to the source, freedom, peace and finding the love and happiness within.

Onwards and upwards raising consciousness on this planet, it makes my heart sing and my soul fly!

Self development teaches the soul to fly!


Love beyond measure

Sacredstar
 
aladdin said:
Brian-I have had similar questions like this. I have spent a lot of time reading the Bible, reading the different translations and trying to figure out how the Bible was put together. Basically, what I have discovered is it is a completley illogical religion and faith(although a part of me does believe in it). A lot of people try to explain their beliefs in christianity very abstractly or metaphorically and lately there is a lot of mixing in "spirituality" with general christian beliefs is what I have found.
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aladdin said:
Generally, from what I know there are two views on this.

Yes, Jesus died for all sin, for everyone's sin as JM said and that it is up to US to choose whether we are going to believe in him and take his offer up for him to be a sacrifice.

OR-(to me this is more logical) Jesus only died for HIS people. His people were "chosen" before the earth was created-he died for their sins.

Now, here is something I grappled with before discovering how "messily" the christian writings were put together-\



If god is loving, and all knowing, then when he created everyone, he knew some people were just going to be "made" to go to hell, I guess you could argue that somehow at the time of creation he gave us this opportunity to choose on our own, separate from him but I don't buy this because when he created us he would have known our entire psychology and where we would end up which means



there are a lot of people who basically were just created to spend eternity in hell



how is this a kind God? well from God's point of view (which is the true one right) I guess God could say this is .
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Well God Knew they would Go to hell but if they where created for Hell that implies God Chose for them. This isn't the Case. God doesn't create people with their personalities and other similar aspects. They are caused by their surroundings and partialy genes that while God alter (and may) doesn’t mean God decides who a person is. Plus God wants all people to go to heaven So God doesn't just create people that he knows could never be saved. We are all created to be saved however some of us choose to not accept it. And yes we can do this by sinning. Let's think about it for a second though. Even if God knows we will go to hell before our creation is it truly fair then to not give us the chance at all. It would be like me killing you because I know you are going to kill my mother in 20 years. is that really fair? Me never giving you the chance to not do it even if I know you will. That is how I think it works with God he creates us all to be saved but if he knows we won't choose it he creates us anyway because it would be unfair not to. Jesus did the same thing when he came to earth. He originally came to save the Jews who where in the covenant. He knew they wouldn't accept him but he tried anyway because not giving them the chance at all wouldn't be the just thing to do.



aladdin said:
The bible contradicts itself a lot, Jesus says I have a new law, Jesus also says Whoever does not follow the old laws (it is really bad or wahtever) but his new law contradicts the old law



A lot of the Bible is based on Paul's writings (the new testament) Paul NEVER knew Jesus!! He used to torture the Christians and kill them before becoming converted, after Jesus's death. Also St.Augustine's writings ahd a huge influence. It is so bizarre to me because so much of what Christian's say is not in the Bible. And the old testament also technically has two creation stories, plus Constantine supposedly burned down all these libraries with some of the original writings on Christianity when he converted, also Gnosticism I believe had a heavy influnece on the Mormon religion which is interesting.\
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First I'll say that Jesus came to fulfill the old law and by doing so it had to be changed a little because "you can't put knew wine in old wine skins" as he put it.



Secondly the reason Paul's writings are in the bible is because it is believed he had a personal revelation that taught him what he needed to know. And his writings were ones that survived for what ever reason.



The reason allot of what Christians say isn't clearly defined in the bible (although allot can be implied) is because the bible was never meant to be a complete source of Christian faith for those who put it together it was just a list of books you could read at Church. Up until the 1500's the idea that the bible was the only source of information on religion was ludicrous. What ever a church council said was infallible. When Protestants broke away from the church they didn't want to give up these beliefs that the church had laid down in the past.



I’ve never heard this about Constantine can you elaborate.

aladdin said:
Then when you look at christianity not only do you have all these different translations you have orthodox, protestant, catholic, it is Very confusing!!!

After reading an interesting book on Angels, they talked about how Yawheh (or however you spell it) was actually the Devil in some of the original texts, he was the God of the material world, and somehow it got confused and people started thinking it was the God to worship. I don't know how true it was but the book was very interesting.



Speak(ing) of the Devil

In Sufi texts there is a tale that originially when God created the angels (lucifer included) that he told the angels Only bow down to me...

Well, when God created man, he asked the angels to bow down to man,

Not wanting to disobey God's original commandment, and because Lucifer loved God so much he only wanted to bow down to God, Lucifer did not bow to man.



keeping in mind God's easily provoked anger) God punished Lucifer by separating him from God for ever.



To Lucifer, this was the most horrid thing since he loved God so much, so humans became his vilest enemy since they had been the cause of his banishment, separate from God forever....
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This is new to me as well. However aren’t Sufi texts Islamic? In the Christian idea Satan was cast out of heaven for wanting the Humans to bow to him not the other way around. He wanted to be worshiped.
 
Blue said:
Marsh, POST 6, you said:

The second death. But "we" are not saved from it; there is no we. I as an individual will stand before God on the Day of the Lord, and will receive my judgment. So will everyone else.

Jesus will be the one judging.

What kind of an answer is "The second death"? What does it mean?
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Re 20:14 And hell and death were cast into the pool of fire. This is the second death.



That is the second death. Marsh and Brian where using Christian terminology here and you are using secular. In Christian theology the second death is always in reference to the Separation from God that is Hell. That is what Christ came to save us from.



Secondly I'd like to ask how you can find fault in Marsh's assumption that he is right. If he didn't think he was right he would think something else. also he didn't say that all people believed what he did. He simply said that at the end we would all be judged by the same person. THere is only one correct Idea when it comes to who God is and if Christ is God then nomatter what religion you are you will be judged by him. Why would you take offense to that?



Finally what would the idea that Jesus was going to judge the world have to do with the trinity? And by the way according to Christian Ideas he's right



Joh 5:22 For neither does the Father judge any man: but hath given all judgment to the Son



Only the son will be judging.
 
Ratanya said:
I have always wondered why the dead of Jesus, is called a *sacrifice*. From what I read, at its' time, there didn't seem to be anything ceremonial/sacrifical about his dead at all.

I presume that because Jesus could of saved himself from this death, but didn't, it is considered a sacrifice.

However, it doesn't seem this way to me in its reading. I always felt that Jesus was expecting something to intervene before the Cruxification.. Thus why he said.. "Eloi Eloi, why have thou forsaken me."

On a side note, Jesus seems very compassionate. Healing the sick etc.. God however shows no evidence of being compassionate at all in the bible. I guess I could be missing something in its reading.

I do believe *God is compassionate though, from my own experiences.
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It is called a sacrifice because Jewish sacrifices were meant to atone for sin. Jesus’ death atoned for all sin thus it is a sacrifice.
 
Thank you JJM for responding to my post and answering my questions. I read the bit about Constantine burning down many of the libraries containing writings on Jesus's life on a website that said because Constantine did not like a lot of what Jesus said about things such as vegetarianism and other stuff. I guess the website was probably wrong, I don't know how accurate this information was. I used to be pretty fundamentalist about my Christian beliefs but I ran into a lot of conflict with people and I felt like I was being condescending so I tried to look at things in a different way and eventually I stopped reading the Bible and believing so much.

I also met man who studied the original dead sea scrolls in hebrew and he believed that the Christian faith was completely incorrect.

What other documents do you personally (and others you know of) find important to the Christian faith (Besides the Bible)? I am curious what other texts people read to supplement the Bible.

Yes, the Islamic mysticism, Sufism, does have a different belief in Satan. I just think anything where the "evil" character is somehow "romanticized(sp)" is fascinating.

Also, another thing that gets under my skin is the familiarity of Christianity to the ancient Persian religion, Zoroastrianism.
I guess I buy your argument about it not being fair for you to kill me if you knew I was going to kill my mother or what not except that as humans, we have limited knowledge. It is such in that movie with Tom Cruise, where they have the psychics predicting murders ahead of time...but God is all-knowing is he not? Isn't God omniscient? So to me this is different since with God his knowledge is absolute truth?
Or do you think that when God created us he created us in a "special" way so that God would not know if we chose good or evil(to take his gift or not, to sin or not to)? I guess it is that like paradox about God being able to do anything where they question whether or not he can do things that are "limited"
also you said "God doesn't create people with their personalities and other similar aspects. They are caused by their surroundings and partialy genes that while God alter (and may) doesn’t mean God decides who a person is."
If their personalities are caused by surrounding's and genes than how can we blame someone for choosing to accept God's gift of salvation or not? Or agree that their eternal destiny is hell. But I think you definitely did imply you believed in free will so I suppose this isn't fair to quote this.
? What do you think the quintessence of free will is ? <this might seem like a dumb question but I like to hear people's thought's on free will>
Overall, I like Christianity, it upsets me sometimes to think that the notion is a great deal of humans will spend eternity in hell. But if you have looked into the eyes of evil )((& sometimes indifference to suffering)) , you know ((in some cases) this is the only perfect justice that can be.
 
Blue said:
The fact is there is NO evidence for a 'second death'. I face one death. There is no evidence of a second, if that is what you meant....

That is a little presumptious of you, isn't it? Are you not proselytising what can only be a personally validated faith you hold dear too?

Does it apply to those of the Islamic faith? Does it apply to a Jew? Does it apply to a Pagan? Does it apply to an Atheist? Does it apply to a Sikh? Does is apply to a Jain? What makes your personal validation worth more than anyone else's...

Peace to you.
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Am I a Muslim? Am I a Jew? No. I am a Christian speaking on a Christian forum to other Christians. You are not a Christian, so you don't understand this.

The evidence of the second death? The word of God. The evidence that Jesus is the Son of God, and has judgment entrusted to him? The word of God. The evidence that I am right in my beliefs? The word of God. But you do not trust, because you do not believe. That's fine; do as you will. I don't remember saying that you shouldn't do as you will.

And does this judgment apply to Muslims and Sikhs and Jains and Atheists? Yes, it does; this is my belief, and it is based on the word of God-- not as written in a book (though it is), but as it's been etched in my heart by the Spirit of Truth (which is, again, something that you won't understand).

You will be one of many who will be very surprised to find yourself standing in front of a white throne, and being asked to give an account of what you did with what was given to you. But it's ok; God is merciful, and will have mercy on you if you ask for it, as he will for any and all who ask for it. He promised. And I'll be right there with you, giving an account of my life too. We all will. He promised.

Whether you believe in this, or whether you believe in the works of your own hands, it's all up to you; it's always been up to you. But when someone asks me about something this important, don't expect me to give a politically-correct answer and say "Well, I believe that this maybe will happen, but that's only my belief, and I know for many other people this isn't what's going to happen, but that's just the differences that make us all special."

We're not special; we are all the same, worth equally the same in God's eyes, equally sinful in our works, and thus equally in need of a saviour if we wish to have judgment passed in our favour.

And am I biased? You bet.
 
Re: Marsh---
You say:

You will be one of many who will be very surprised to find yourself standing in front of a white throne, and being asked to give an account of what you did with what was given to you. But it's ok; God is merciful, and will have mercy on you if you ask for it, as he will for any and all who ask for it. He promised. And I'll be right there with you, giving an account of my life too. We all will. He promised.

Whether you believe in this, or whether you believe in the works of your own hands, it's all up to you; it's always been up to you. But when someone asks me about something this important, don't expect me to give a politically-correct answer and say "Well, I believe that this maybe will happen, but that's only my belief, and I know for many other people this isn't what's going to happen, but that's just the differences that make us all special."
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Okay, I may well be surprised, but in all humility, so may you.
You see I am willing to be described as someone who simply does not know... as you so kindly indicate.

What I do feel is wrong, with no deference to political correctness, only rationality, you again condemn - directly - all those with Islamic faith, or any other. That is being, however you describe it, a projection of your personal faith, however you validate it to your own satisfaction, as an ultimate truth for all others.
I'm sorry, but I can never accept that. It is patently full of self pride rather than humility, I suggest. It assumes that what is 'right' is only what you have proved/validated as 'right' within yourself.

Belief that a monotheistic God speaks to you personally or through ancient texts, or whatever, is ONLY a personally validated belief of yourself. There is no evidence, and I quite openly reject such a patently domineering and proselytising view projected upon others.

I find it very hard to accept in reason that you have a 'truth' that is universally applicable... especially in view of the sincerely held faiths by millions of other people across the world.

You cite no evidence beyond your own affirmation, so why should it be true of others. Who or what tells you, inside yourself, that it is a 'God' revealing truth to you? You do not sound as if it creates a very humble heart within you, if I may kindly say so.
The only evidence is within your heart - which is fine... but you cannot in all reason then say it SHOULD be so for others...'fullstop'.
Nothing gives you the right to assert a personal belief in the face of all other good people.That is setting yourself up on the basis of no external evidence as the sole arbiter of Faith. This would apply whatever the Faith.

You argue too as if a Thread called 'Christianity' is solely there/here for you to declare that this.. your personal faith ... is the only 'true' faith for all. Well - you can do that, and you have done that, but that does not disbar myself or anyone else, having the freedom to criticise through reason and rationality what you simply declare as a 'truth', where the only evidence is your own heart, your own affective nature and nurture. If the Thread was filled with declaqrations of Christian personal faiths, what would that acive or prove? Only that a number of people assert and affirm their personbal faith. Nothing wrong with that unless they go further and simply declare it 'true' for others.
I presume if they are like myself and interrupt such a stream of affirmations and criticise them, I, and any others, are consigned to rejection at the gates and consigned to Hell. So? Why should I fear Hell if all reason and rationality resides there?

Your declaration of bias is also fine... and honest of you; but then consider the consequences of the assertions you make.

Nothing makes personal declarations 'true' just because they are declared, and it is obvious that these views of yours denigrate, to a lesser and subordinate level, all other sincerely held faiths apparent in the world, because it is perfectly clear that you do.

I do not even object, my friend, in you declaring that you are special. The fact is that you are as precious and special as any other human being, equally so, whether they happen to be Islamic, Hindus, or of any other faith.

I don't recall in the actual purported words of Jesus of Nazareth anything about people being anything but equal before their God... which was a Middle Eastern montheistic concept of its time and day; any God, by implication, in any future time elsewhere. If you wish to accept blindly the many statements from a 'St Paul', that is simply your personal preference, and no more than that.

I am sorry if I may sound harsh, but hopefully it is in the cause of reason and rationality, and not irrationality.

Your affective views as posted do appear to be intolerant. I would suggest mine at least border on being tolerant of other peoples and faiths.

May you find peace in your personal Faith, Marsh; just - in all fairness - don't assume it is 'truth' for all, just because you declare it so.
(If you do wish to do the latter, do present evidence from outside your heart, and we can all consider it, in the spirit of lively debating.)
 
You are not a Christian, so you don't understand this.

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I should have referred to this comment too?

Does it mean only someone who blindly affirms they are become a Christian, can be qualified to comment upon Christianity?

If so, that view is to be considered an irrational claim without evidence of any kind.
Knowledge is independent of personal affirmations.
I do not have to 'love' mathematics to perform mathematical reasoning reasonably well and understand, even advanced, mathematical principles!

Do you think a theologian of the Islamic faith is unqualified to bring their detailed knowledge of Middle Eastern religions to bear upon Christianity as you portray it? Or a Jain, or a Ba'Hai,or a Pagan, all of whom may well be more knowledgeable than you or I?
 
Dear Aladdin

aladdin said:
Or agree that their eternal destiny is hell. This might seem like a dumb question but I like to hear people's thought's on free will. Overall, I like Christianity, it upsets me sometimes to think that the notion is a great deal of humans will spend eternity in hell.
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Welcome to the forum this response is with a Christian Spiritualist view.

Heaven and hell is within. Even the current Pope went on TV and said the devil etc is within.

On free will my truth is that 85% is free will explored during reincarnation and 15% is free will prior to incarnation like a karmic contract. I use the analogy of your hand, if you look at your hand there are many pathways that one can take and there are various alternative endings depending on your free will.

On judgement there is no judgement apart from that which we judge ourselves. So in our understanding when we pass over we are faced with our whole lives not only from our own perspective but also the others involved in our lives, we view it like a movie. Then the soul decides what it did not learn, integrate or complete and on this basis chooses what to experience in the next life.

Yes the library of Alexandria was destroyed with all the ancient texts.

What books to read I recommend the gospels not included in the bible, Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Mary, Gospel of Philip, Gospel of Truth etc You may find some detials on this website.

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar
 
Can I ask on this forum because it is lively. If the sole pupose - for a Christian - for doing good is to go to heaven and avoid going to hell?

If so can I bring the skeptisicm that this is somewhat selfish and that this revolves around fear of our worst nightmare that is hell.
Is it a valid claim that Christianity is about fear, selfishness, and personal reward not the charity and help of others?

Just for thought
 
Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Mary,
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I agree wholeheartedly, SacredStar, that the reading of these texts is very useful, and a balance to the standard collection and collation, for all thoughtful Christians, and others.
 
Dear Kasper

It depends how you interpret scripture, what scripture you view and whether you embrace the divine feminine and esoteric christianity buried by Rome.

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar
 
Dear Kasper

Roman Christianity, and all its subsequent offshoots, is based on the idea that if you believe in the existence of an historical Jesus you will go to heaven when you die. For the Gnostics, however, Jesus is an everyman figure in an initiation allegory. They taught that if you yourself go through the process of initiation symbolized by the Jesus myth, you would die to your old self and resurrect in a new way. The Greek word we translate as resurrect also means awaken.

For the Gnostics, Christianity was about dying -- the idea of giving up your mortal body and awakening to your immortal essence as the Christ within, the One Consciousness of the Universe. This mystical enlightenment was not something that happened after death, but could happen here and now.

You might be interested to read books by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy.

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar
 
KASPAR questioned:
Is it a valid claim that Christianity is about fear, selfishness, and personal reward not the charity and help of others?
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I think it is a perfectly reasonable and valid claim to make, Kaspar, irrespective of Biblical texts, including the writings of Paul.

The religion does seem to be capable of bearing the accusation that it is dependent upon fear, and exacerbating fear, has a blood sacrifice, for humanity's sake(!), at the heart of its doctrines, and requires blind obedience to its dogmas.
Metaphorically, it does seem to have the drinking and eating of the blood and flesh of the Christ in its major ritual, using wine and bread.
Not only that, it proclaims itself as the 'true' and 'only' pathway to some kind of Salvation.
I always worry when anyone begins to claim they have a 'universal spiritual truth'.

Someone on this site, not a million postings away, has already affirmed that non-believers are destined for Hell, perhaps meaning especially myself?
That is not a very nice way to speak to anyone, let alone all other honest and good people of many various and different faiths.
To additionally claim that a non-believer has no right to post on a thread about 'Christianity' is claiming that this Thread is purely for the believers, the converted. That is a nonsense.

It has been described, with some justification perhaps historically and theologically, as a 'Slave religion and a religion of Slavery'.

Personal salvation is what appears to be on offer to the believer, and the Salvation of humankind seems to be its declared objective... which makes it necessary to proselytise and convert the unbelievers.

Curiously, I do not particularly find any of this kind of thing in the actual few purported words of Jesus of Nazareth... only in the mouths of characters like St. Paul.
It seems more honest to follow the Gnostic views as referred to by SacredStar... but then, Gnosticism also seems to have had peculiar doctrines and aspects too. So much were they against direct proselytising that it was relatively easy for Paul to virtually eliminate such heresy as they represented to him, and odd ideas about procreation made it a virtual certainty that their views would always be lesser than(!) those of Pauline Christianity.
 
Dear Blue

I agree I feel one of the problems is the misundstanding that found its way into original texts and then their translations thereof. Here is my understanding of the The Holy Eurichist.

The food that is eaten, every drink that is drunk, is the consummation of blessings from GOD. Everything in creation is part of GOD, part of everyone. The Holy Eurichist is about honouring everything as being an aspect of GOD, and a blessing. We can bless and honour all in our lives daily.....I feel this was meant to be a very positive affirmation of gratitude and joy. But yet it was tuned into something bizarre!

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar
 
Sacredstar said:
Here is my understanding of the The Holy Eurichist.

The food that is eaten, every drink that is drunk, is the consummation of blessings from GOD. Everything in creation is part of GOD, part of everyone. The Holy Eurichist is about honouring everything as being an aspect of GOD, and a blessing. We can bless and honour all in our lives daily.....I feel this was meant to be a very positive affirmation of gratitude and joy. But yet it was tuned into something bizarre!
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I have to agree with you eating someone is associated with vampires, warewolfs, Cannibals etc. This is wrong.
Eating is all about taking something good and using it too live. Why do we eat food that tastes nice or is healthy because we know that;
"YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT"
so Obviously if you like Jesus theres no reason why you shouldn't eat it. :D
Peace and Love
 
Is it not the case that it is ritual?

The symbolism is plainly referred to by yourself SacredStar.
What I question is the need for such a bizarre ritual. The analogy with body and blood seems to me clearly primitive, ritualistic to an extreme, and totally unnecessary, as we are dealing with people's individual conceptions of a God.
Why submit oneself to such a bizarre ritual at all? (Perhaps it is for some kind of personal reassurance... an ongoing form of re-initiation?)

In any case what benefits are there in practical terms in still retaining primitive thinking that any 'food' is provided by a 'God'. If that is so... most of the human race is being ignored by that God at this very moment. If this God is omnipotent, why isn't this God providing?

Food is provided by the actions of nature and the farmers and the workers. Where is God in all of that? It happens without any objective interference from any particular God. The harvest is good or bad according to weather patterns and bacteriological contamination or insectivoral predation... again, a God has nothing observable to do with it.

Spiritual food is also not dependent upon a God... it is only dependent upon the personal validations of an individual in the individual's affective nature and nurture. Is that not the case?

We are left with a primitive symbolical blood ritual that goes well with a religion that has a man dying bloodily upon a cross for our salvation... which is a very curious and odd concept too in all honesty.:confused:
 
Dear Blue

Blue said:
Is it not the case that it is ritual?
What I question is the need for such a bizarre ritual.
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Yes as portrayed and utilised by the church it is ritual and bizarre from my perspective and this is not the way it was meant to be.

Blue said:
In any case what benefits are there in practical terms in still retaining primitive thinking that any 'food' is provided by a 'God'. If that is so... most of the human race is being ignored by that God at this very moment. If this God is omnipotent, why isn't this God providing?
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Please don't go literal on me, depends on people's view of GOD! No food can grow without energy and the universal lifeforce. Every flower and plant as a lifeforce and different energy frequencies. There is also enough food in the world for everyone......just that man blocks the access to it not GOD.


Blue said:
Spiritual food is also not dependent upon a God... it is only dependent upon the personal validations of an individual in the individual's affective nature and nurture. Is that not the case?
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Depends on your experience and context of spiritual food. Nature, nurture and environment.

I hope that as clarified where I am coming from. If not....please ask some more.

To me GOD is love and love is GOD, a powerful energy force that is in all creation and everyone.

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar
 
I came across this tonight while looking for some quotes on the veils. \

Isaiah 65:16

That he who blesseth himself in the earth, shall bless himself in the GOD of truth;

So when we bless the food we are also blessing the self when we eat the food. In Reiki we also heal the food and remove any negative energy before eating it.

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar
 
:) Please don't go literal on me, depends on people's view of GOD! No food can grow without energy and the universal lifeforce. Every flower and plant as a lifeforce and different energy frequencies.

The thing is that, in my opinion, SacredStar, it has nothing to do with any God beyond a personal validation in an individual.

The energy in a seed is just that, energy in a seed. Its genetic structure is made up of selfish genes that seek to perpetuate themselves. You surely would agree that terming this a 'lifeforce' is a trifle dramatic and mystical, when it is simply 'life' the opposite of 'dead'.

Life forms exhibit x, y and z, and a, b and c, qualities as listed in any Biology primer, as opposed to material that doesn't.

Have these 'energy frequencies' you mention been repeatably tested and validated empirically and objectively? I would be interested in any references as to their investigation, that you can supply.

(I'm off for a rest now.
Take care.)
 
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