New Scientific Theory Suggests Consciousness Does Not End at Death.

BigJoeNobody said:
So how does this fit into your religious view? knowing that for every good decision you have made, you have also made apparently an infinite number of bad ones.
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Now that is an interesting question indeed! Except for the enormity of the number of decisions, is it really any different than the decisions any one person makes in our dimension? We have all made good decisions and bad decisions on the road through life, no?
 
Devils' Advocate said:
Now that is an interesting question indeed! Except for the enormity of the number of decisions, is it really any different than the decisions any one person makes in our dimension? We have all made good decisions and bad decisions on the road through life, no?
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If I get your question correctly, my viewpoint is you are rewarded for "good" actions/thoughts, and punished for "bad" actions/thoughts (very vague for a reason). I'm not sure of any religion which doesn't have some form of reward/punishment for good/bad actions. So if we are constantly exponentially expanding, and yet staying as the same person, how could we be expected to answer for those actions that the other dimensionary pictures did good/bad.
 
I agree it is a conundrum. And now that I think about it, for every good decision you make here, an opposite self makes the bad decision in another dimension. For every bad one made here, an opposite makes the good one there. So multidimensionally a person is always at 50/50%! I don't have a solution that resolves the problem from a religious stand point. Perhaps someone else will chime in with an idea.
 
Different decisions mean different people. If I have an alternate self who makes a good decision, then they deserve the reward for it.
 
The multiverse would mean there are thousands of me...millions if me living in lives that don't have a bible or quran...places where Jesus, Mohamed and Buddha were never born... Others where eve didn't eat the apple and Cain and Abel lived long lives...

That contemplation quickly solves any religious conundrum....
 
wil said:
The multiverse would mean there are thousands of me...millions if me living in lives that don't have a bible or quran...places where Jesus, Mohamed and Buddha were never born... Others where eve didn't eat the apple and Cain and Abel lived long lives...

That contemplation quickly solves any religious conundrum....
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Not if you adhere to the idea of a soul. I understand you thinking it solves the conundrum, as you don't believe in God, or in turn any life dependant test. Your soul doesn't matter in your opinion. For someone believing in a soul and afterlife, these ideas present a major problem.

I just can't agree to any of it. It doesn't make any sense, and there is absolutely no proof. Just a theory of baseless origins. IMO of course.
 
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I take it you missed the word "if"... If there were thousands or millions of me...yes it confounds the religious beliefs that we have on earth....in this existence... And then eliminates them...

No more conundrum.... IF..,
 
BigJoeNobody said:
It doesn't make any sense, and there is absolutely no proof.
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That it doesn't make any sense and that there is no proof are entirely separate issues. Lots of things in this reality make no sense and turn out to be reality never the less. That there is no proof, again, doesn't add or subtract from the theory because as of now that is all it is, a working theory.

For what it is worth I am having a hard time accepting this infinite number of universes theory as well, though mine have nothing to do with religion. It just seems like sloppy science to me. The math for reality wasn't working out, so they got their super computers to crunch the data and what it spit out is if one follows the math, the multiverse works. It is the same issue I have with dark energy. Science has created this concept theoretically only because the math of such a thing makes the way the universe work the way we see it working.

Just because the math says so does not mean it is correct.
 
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Devils' Advocate said:
Science has created this concept theoretically only because the math of such a thing makes the way the universe work the way we see it working.
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It's basic deduction though, it's why we thought we would find the Higgs boson. Theoretical science works on the edge of what we know and it doesn't make much sense to us who haven't read all the papers on it.
 
The multiverse theory offers infinite possibilities and is a conundrum in and of itself. Although it was first suggested in antiquity even modern celebrated physicists with super computers are laboring away with no theorist proposing anything of any viable substance. The multiverse theory seems to be one of many interesting ideas to ponder while drifting off to sleep. ED
 
I thought the multiverse came about as a way to make our math work....not the other way around.... Could be we need new math...I didn't say that....
 
BigJoeNobody said:
So how does this fit into your religious view?
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I work on the principle that this life is actual, and the infinite number of permutations are possibles, but not actual.

The 'split' is not only re decisions, it happens at the atomic level, so in every instant, there are an infinite number of other possibilities, all as potentially possible as this one, but only one actual one ... this one.

But stick with my infinite possibilities. And remember the possibility open at this moment is not of this or that, it's the possibility in every moment of every possible possibility ... that's a number of possibilities beyond counting, and that's just in this moment ... the same again in the next moment, and the next, and the next ... but we're still just talking about me.

Factor you in, and that doubles it, at least. Then factor in everyone else on the planet. Then everyone who ever lived, then everyone who ever will, and remember that every alternate possibility is also spawning its own infinite possibilities.

Now add all the birds, fishes and animals, all the insects, and keep going til every organism is covered, right down to single cells ... each and every one spawning n-number of possibilities, each of those possibilities spawning n-number again ...

Now take atoms into account ...

And so it goes ...

So I rather think it's all conjectural, a mind-boggling sideshow of awesome inconsequentiality, because it matters not a jot, nor will it make the slightest difference to this life, here and now ... and we've probably got it all wrong, anyway ...
 
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wil said:
I thought the multiverse came about as a way to make our math work....not the other way around.... Could be we need new math...I didn't say that....
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It's been said! A group of scientists are saying the whole thing's a construct, and we're looking at it the wrong way ...
 
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So I rather think it's all conjectural, a mind-boggling sideshow of awesome inconsequentiality, because it matters not a jot, nor will it make the slightest difference to this life, here and now
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Yes this is my bottom line, too. What ever might or might not happen in other realities does not affect me here in this one. Since this one is the only one I am ever going to know about, this one is the only one that counts!
 
Devils' Advocate said:
Thoughts?
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According to Biocentrism I'm like a CD. Press play and the universe exists in my mind, not as something "out there." Multiverses are like an infinite number of different songs. Once you die, you go to another track.

I don't see why the idea can't be modified. How about one universe and a multiverse of perception or, to put it another way, an infinite number of sensory universes under and above ours within one universe? See here.

I must sound crazy to some readers. o_O
 
Here's another mind-numbing fact:

The average male will produce roughly 525 billion sperm cells over a lifetime. A healthy adult male can release between 40 million and 1.2 billion sperm cells in a single ejaculation – the average is 140 million.

Women are born with an average 2 million egg follicles, the reproductive structures that give rise to eggs. By puberty, a majority of those follicles close up and only about 450 will ever release mature eggs for fertilization.

Each sperm and each egg is a different possibility. So from the quick maths of the male perspective, the odds of you being you is on average 140 million to one.

But then, let us not forget that each sperm and each egg comprises a universal possibility, and within that union, a universe of possibilities.

So take all the numbers we worked out about the infinite number of possibilities in any given lifetime from the moment of conception. And then multiply that by 140 million, because a whole different universe-set will exist for the rest of the 140 million sperm cells that didn't make it in this universe.

But does that mean there are 140 million universes because I am one? No. Just me, and a 140 million might-have-beens ...
 
Devils' Advocate said:
Back in the Middle Ages everyone believed that the earth was the center of everything because humans were the most important thing that existed.
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The center indicated "grossness," not "importance." For example, in Dante's Divine Comedy the lowest circle of hell was located at the center of the universe. See Dennis Danielson's "The Great Copernican cliché."
 
The alleged theory isn't credible in the slightest, so it should rather be called a philosophy.
Be that as it may, it is certainly a thought-provoking question. Thank you for posting :)
 
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