Is ISIS/Taliban/etc. Muslim...

BigJoeNobody said:
How about we take the Hundreds of Thousand of accounts yearly from Christians who rape, Murder, assault, cheat, slander, and steal and put those numbers against Muslims, are you sure you can handle the abomination of a number of more acts done by Christians?
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This is a fair statement. And it is a commentary on humanity that when it is your 'kind' hurting your kind, it is somehow less terrible than when there is strife between 'your' kind and another kind. Where 'kind' can be religion, politics, racism, whatever.
 
BigJoeNobody said:
Africa over the past 10 years has been a hotbed of this activity. In largely Christian countries. Drug cartels are well known to kill men in villages that aren't working for them then rape the women to death either on site or in brothels. They Pillage and steal anything that can be of value, just because noone uses the term anymore doesn't change the fact that is still practiced.


1) you seem to be keen on calling Muslims Bad people, and Islam as a religion as the cause.
2) I never stated the Hatred would be your biggest issue, Do you believe in the 10 Commandments, We'll skip the argument about the first as it applies to a majority of Christians, along with the second with common practices, but the 9th... You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor. of which you push highly, even when presented evidence to the contrary.


Who? I have a dislike for people slandering my religion and in doing so promoting those who would put a target on me and my family's head. (don't give me the noone is attacking Muslims BS, it has been happening and is getting more and more frequent)


This is largely what I'm talking about about your sources. Just because they are small doesn't mean they are not biased. Just because a MSM is biased, doesn't mean every article they put out is false. Just because I read about Michael Jackson dying on Fox News doesn't mean I just walk away and assume it didn't happen. Do you know how many articles I've seen spread that the school shootings are fake? How many articles I've read saying a plane did not crash into the WTC or Pentagon? Yet I've met people whose families were involved in the shootings. I know men that went to DC to look for survivors in the rubble and had to peal the plane out piece by piece with dead people all around. These things aren't about left or right. Republicans or Democrats has nothing to do with are people coming to kill you. Is raping part of a religion. These are questions implanted in weak minded people too scared to actually ask questions, or to stubborn to accept the answers. These are largely rumors started by small independent "news" sites that do not care what offends people, or what the truth is, they just want readers. It's best to cross reference these with larger news sources, maybe opposite leaning sources to determine facts from opinion. Say you read something on "opposingviews" cross the "factual" articles with Reuters, or Al-Jazeera, or CNN, or anything. if you can find similar articles about the SAME OCCURENCE from 3+ sources from different leaning sites chances are the event happened. And there's no use in fearing Government controlled media. The Banks, Food Industry, Military Complex, Privatized Prisons, and Medical Corps control enough of your life they could tell you what all they do to you while laughing and you still would have difficulty getting out from under their control.
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Firstly, I do not and have not said or called Islam and those in general who believe in it " Bad People" those are your words not mine. As for what goes on in Africa, just like what goes on in the Middle East or anywhere else for that matter, a group or groups can shield themselves in their religion and do bad things. I agree with you that the majority of Islam is good, as is the majority of Christianity. However as long as the Sun rises in the East and sets in the West there will be those in both religions that act against the religion, yet use it in the name of their agenda. I laugh at opposingviews, and do read Al Jazeera. Though I am sorry, all media is tainted in my opinion. Also I do not slander your religion any more than you slander mine, so please let us move away from that. Are people attacking Islam? yes! Are people attacking Christianity? Yes! Let me ask you this, Are you in favor of the Christian motives and ancient sites such as Palmyra being destroyed?
 
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Richard Pickett said:
I wish I had more reliable information DA, however finding untainted information is increasingly difficult.
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Agreed. With the News Media morally bankrupt, just about everything has to be sifted carefully. Just the most recent example, Trump famously snubbed the Republican Debate last night. And what were some of the comments from viewers. Things like "I guess there was more policy discussion, but the entertainment value wasn't there".

What?!?!?!? You want entertainment value go watch reruns of The Apprentice. This is a debate for who is going to be the next leader of this country! What the hell does entertainment have to do with anything!

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Devils' Advocate said:
Agreed. With the News Media morally bankrupt, just about everything has to be sifted carefully. Just the most recent example, Trump famously snubbed the Republican Debate last night. And what were some of the comments from viewers. Things like "I guess there was more policy discussion, but the entertainment value wasn't there".

What?!?!?!? You want entertainment value go watch reruns of The Apprentice. This is a debate for who is going to be the next leader of this country! What the hell does entertainment have to do with anything!

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That's the issue I have with any news agency out there, Sensationalism sells, how often have we heard this? The media is beginning to remind me of the movie The Running Man, Buy Cadre Cola.... The world does, it seem believe Video, except conspiracy theorists who would say that the Challenger Explosion was a hoax to bring the Nation together in National Mourning. It is funny how we are led to believe one video, yet told not to believe another...
 
Richard Pickett said:
Are you in favor of the Christian motives and ancient sites such as Palmyra being destroyed?
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no, This has been discussed, many times, it is against our Sunnah. Especially as it applies to Christianity and Judaism. There are Idols that are commanded to be destroyed, but that is much more complicated than it seems to the average person. If we are going to discuss such things in depth, we might need a new forum and accept that I am not qualified to establish a Law so I will have to refer to those who are by linking to their Fatwas.
 
Richard Pickett said:
ancient sites such as Palmyra being destroyed?
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Syria and Egypt have been under Islam's dominion since the days of Umar, the second caliph of Islam. Thats more than 1300 years of Islamic rule. Umar didnt destroy anything in either territories which are filled with statues of all sorts till now. If anybody thinks he is a "bigger and better" Muslim than Umar, or he needs to prove his "Islamic piety" by blowing things up that Umar didnt, he is an idiot who needs to get himself educated in Islam.
 
BigJoeNobody said:
no, This has been discussed, many times, it is against our Sunnah. Especially as it applies to Christianity and Judaism. There are Idols that are commanded to be destroyed, but that is much more complicated than it seems to the average person. If we are going to discuss such things in depth, we might need a new forum and accept that I am not qualified to establish a Law so I will have to refer to those who are by linking to their Fatwas.
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From what I have gathered, Prophet Muhammad did order the destruction of idols inside masjid al haram, for obvious reasons. Beyond that, no destruction happened in Syria and Egypt, despite the fact that they were both of pagan background. This trend of destruction and making skull towers creeped into Islam with the gradual conversion of turco-mongols, who continued to follow there pre-islamic traditions even long after their conversion. The modern post coldwar trend of blowing things up to show ones Islamic piety comes mainly from the education these mercenaries got from their US/Saudi funded seminaries of Afghan war.
 
farhan said:
From what I have gathered, Prophet Muhammad did order the destruction of idols inside masjid al haram, for obvious reasons. Beyond that, no destruction happened in Syria and Egypt, despite the fact that they were both of pagan background. This trend of destruction and making skull towers creeped into Islam with the gradual conversion of turco-mongols, who continued to follow there pre-islamic traditions even long after their conversion. The modern post coldwar trend of blowing things up to show ones Islamic piety comes mainly from the education these mercenaries got from their US/Saudi funded seminaries of Afghan war.
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yes, and the reason I was saying it is much bigger to "prove" is because it would involve heavy examples in History, Hadith, and Ayas. There is definitely reasons to destroy Idols, but that is very specific and has more to do with Muslims worshiping such.
 
BigJoeNobody said:
no, This has been discussed, many times, it is against our Sunnah. Especially as it applies to Christianity and Judaism. There are Idols that are commanded to be destroyed, but that is much more complicated than it seems to the average person. If we are going to discuss such things in depth, we might need a new forum and accept that I am not qualified to establish a Law so I will have to refer to those who are by linking to their Fatwas.
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Question Joe, Where do you fit IS and ISIS in the grand scheme of things within the Islamic Religion? And Sharia Law?
 
Richard Pickett said:
Question Joe, Where do you fit IS and ISIS in the grand scheme of things within the Islamic Religion? And Sharia Law?
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Nowhere... If I have to answer what you literally asked. Their existence has no bearing on the religion or Shariah.

If I gather what you were trying to ask. As I've stated before, I cannot say they aren't Muslim, as I cannot tell what is in someone's heart. What I can say is as a whole, they act entirely un-Islamic. Their views of Shariah are off key at best. Absolutely wrong is most likely more accurate. Using my thread, about people's objections to Islam, It is quite easy to see how ISIS is not acting in an Islamic manner on any of the points people find contention with. There's also a thread where @Muslimwoman posted a letter sent to the leaders of ISIS from many Scholars about several issues ISIS has done that contradict even basic Islamic Principals.

BTW IS and ISIS is the same entity, so is DAESH. No need to list each separately.
 
BigJoeNobody said:
Nowhere... If I have to answer what you literally asked. Their existence has no bearing on the religion or Shariah.

If I gather what you were trying to ask. As I've stated before, I cannot say they aren't Muslim, as I cannot tell what is in someone's heart. What I can say is as a whole, they act entirely un-Islamic. Their views of Shariah are off key at best. Absolutely wrong is most likely more accurate. Using my thread, about people's objections to Islam, It is quite easy to see how ISIS is not acting in an Islamic manner on any of the points people find contention with. There's also a thread where @Muslimwoman posted a letter sent to the leaders of ISIS from many Scholars about several issues ISIS has done that contradict even basic Islamic Principals.

BTW IS and ISIS is the same entity, so is DAESH. No need to list each separately.[/QUOTE

Only listing separately because the media does.. I kind of figured as much. Now a partially hypothetical question. On the accounts of the beatings of Jews allegedly by Muslim refugees in the EU, would they only be calling themselves Muslims as an excuse?And I am not asking this to be argumentative, I am however curious.. Thank you BTW for your previous answer.
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I guess "maybe" is the correct answer. I certainly don't know why they are doing such a thing, or IF for that matter. The whole Jew vs Muslim thing is actually pretty new in history. There have been clashes in the past, but largely these didn't last long or amount to much. Jews and Christians lived pretty normally throughout the Islamic Lands until the Country of Israel was essentially formed on land that was given to Jews to settle in after the Holocaust. It was meant to be as a "you are free to live here with us" gesture and not a "please take this land and make a country". From that point on wars, battles, oppression, and violence seem to have spread all over. It is senseless and in most other countries Jews live fairly normal lives. If this conflict has spread to EU, it is likely due to people who have already been fighting over it for decades.
 
BigJoeNobody said:
I guess "maybe" is the correct answer. I certainly don't know why they are doing such a thing, or IF for that matter. The whole Jew vs Muslim thing is actually pretty new in history. There have been clashes in the past, but largely these didn't last long or amount to much. Jews and Christians lived pretty normally throughout the Islamic Lands until the Country of Israel was essentially formed on land that was given to Jews to settle in after the Holocaust. It was meant to be as a "you are free to live here with us" gesture and not a "please take this land and make a country". From that point on wars, battles, oppression, and violence seem to have spread all over. It is senseless and in most other countries Jews live fairly normal lives. If this conflict has spread to EU, it is likely due to people who have already been fighting over it for decades.
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Indeed....
 
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