Muslims and Islam

Nicholas Weeks said:
BigJoe: "the billions of dollars given to poor of every religion every year by Muslims."

Would like to read about this, have you a site or article in mind?
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I doubt that there is an article discussing this. But for a minute let's just do a little math. 2.5% of every Muslim's salary goes to Zakaat (just one form of charity given). Now we'll be honest here that even though it is required only roughly 75% adhere to it. There is also a minimum amount and those whose debt outweighs their earnings are reduced, and those too poor (ie some of those who receive the zakaat) are exempt. So let's just use an arbitrary 33% for arguments sake that pay a full Zakaat. The average wage in the world is $18,000 (http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-17512040) per year. We'll be a little conservative and say $15,000. If 33% of the 1.6B Muslims pay 2.5% of $15,000 that comes out to around $7,920,000,000,000.00 or just over 7.9B a year. That doesn't take into account the other payments many Muslims make extra for poor, nor the meat donations or other general food donations.

now there is some overlap, and they count donations to churches etc. (We aren't going to add in any of the Masjid donations for this look) the US in total donated somewhere around $358M (http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=content.view&cpid=42#.VoyMpFI43bM) again, I doubt they took too many figures from the Islamic sectors due to many of them being through the Masjids and many donations being sent out as food/clothing which doesn't get counted as money donations. But for arguments sake lets say it does. It would still take 500+ US's to donate the amount figured above.
 
Nicholas Weeks said:
Will do some research myself, focusing on 'giving to poor of every religion', not the amount. I suspect most will go to fellow Muslims.
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I wouldn't deny that, Part of what the religion teaches is to make sure to take care of your brothers before venturing out with supplies. In other words don't starve your people to build another. I cannot say how much goes out, but some does for sure.
 
BigJoeNobody said:
Part of what the religion teaches is to make sure to take care of your brothers before venturing out with supplies. In other words don't starve your people to build another. I cannot say how much goes out, but some does for sure.
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Which is the same logic being used by many Americans to deny immigrants to this country because there are way too many of our own that we already ignore.
 
I like the concept of donations that Islam uses... First give to family...so they may prosper and then be able to give themselves....then community... Same reason...then state... It is one of used would help all prosper....

I just think his billions per year to all religions was a little hopeful hyperbole...
 
wil said:
I just think his billions per year to all religions was a little hopeful hyperbole...
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until you realize that if people are living in these countries (such as Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Egypt, etc.) it doesn't matter what religion they follow. They are still considered part of the community. I think you are trying to paint this 'We could care less about you' brush across pretty thick whereas the amount given will not bring anyone out of poverty. It will simply sustain them for a while. While this is on the surface very similar as DA described, the actual practice is less restrictive than the immigrant opponents here. Also, To the "conservative crowd" they are all talk on trying to "help their brothers" except the average household does nothing to actually help. They want to get all the US homeless off the streets first, while denying entry into vacant houses, or even proposing a mass housing project as that would take money away from the corporate backers.
 
Such hooey from BigJoe; giving via government is simply using tax funds from others to mask the indifference of many liberals actually giving their own money.

Arthur Brooks' classic Who Really Cares? lays out the fact of religious conservatives being more charitable with their money than liberals.

“Breaks new ground. . . In Who Really Cares, Arthur C. Brooks finds that religious conservatives are far more charitable than secular liberals, and that those who support the idea that government should redistribute income are among the least likely to dig into their own wallets to help others.”

—Chronicle of Philanthropy

But we are getting off topic now.
 
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