Whats Your Religion? (An Interfaith Dialogue)

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Topics of discussion:
-What are the fundamental beliefs in your religion?
-What are the fundamental doctrines of your religion?
-What are the main ritual and rites?
-What/Who are the authorities of your religion?
-How do you regard the other sects/thoughts in your religion?
-What are the problems faced in practicing your religion?
 
I'm doing an assignment actually. The conversation has to be of learning and sharing from other religion. Will you be interested?
 
Topics of discussion:
-What are the fundamental beliefs in your religion?
-What are the fundamental doctrines of your religion?
-What are the main ritual and rites?
-What/Who are the authorities of your religion?
-How do you regard the other sects/thoughts in your religion?
-What are the problems faced in practicing your religion?
I think this is largely a poor choice of questions... particularly the last 2... But I'll play the game, briefly...

- One God, Prophets from Adam to Mouhamed (PBUTA), Jesus (PBUH) is the Messiah, etc.
- Submit to the only God's will, as described in his word (Quran) and the example of his prophets (PBUTA) (Quran and Hadith)
- 5 Pillars of Islam are Take Shahada (declaration of faith in 1 God, and Mouhamed (PBUH) as his last and final messenger), Establish the 5 obligatory prayers (as demonstrated by Mouhamed (PBUH)), Pay Zakaat (obligatory tax to feed and care for the poor amounting to 2.5% of income), Fast During Ramadan (Month in which the Quran was revealed on the Arabic calendar) from First light till sundown, Go to Hajj (pilgrimage to the Kabaa which is the place of worship Abraham (PBUH) built with his son Ishmael (PBUH))
- The ultimate authority is God (Allah), as you are submitting to his will the only thing anyone else can force you to do is nothing. Imams and Sheiks (leaders of worship and scholars) provide instruction based on their understanding given that they normally have more knowledge than others, but one is free to refuse their advice if they see it as contradictory or insufficiently backed with evidences from authentic sources
- There is only 1 Islam. Reformations are prohibited. There are a few schools of thought that differ, but the core beliefs stay the same. Most differences stem from politics in the early years of Islam.
- None... Why would one follow a religion in which they have a problem with the practice? |||||| Just a thought, did you mean What geopolitical/societal instances place undue stress on practice? If this is you question, the largest issue is the vast over judgement and forced media explosion of hatred to followers. Political Candidates feed on the anger of the uninformed public and exacerbate the problem with an overindulgence of focus on small groups who claim ties with the religion yet don't even tend to cover the most basic of practice. Harassment, and non-cooperation tend to follow when one explains the errors of these views. Further issues arise from the amount of misinformation from sources who claim to study our text but claim to their followers things that have never existed in our beliefs.
 
Syukran Brother for your reply. Salam to you as well.

Didn't expect that you would reply to the post as I'm a Muslim as well. Forgot to say other religion than Islam. Anyways, the questions were set by my professor as a simple guideline to start with. But you nailed every question.

Do you have any recommendation, a member/staff that I could do a dialogue with?



I think this is largely a poor choice of questions... particularly the last 2... But I'll play the game, briefly...

- One God, Prophets from Adam to Mouhamed (PBUTA), Jesus (PBUH) is the Messiah, etc.
- Submit to the only God's will, as described in his word (Quran) and the example of his prophets (PBUTA) (Quran and Hadith)
- 5 Pillars of Islam are Take Shahada (declaration of faith in 1 God, and Mouhamed (PBUH) as his last and final messenger), Establish the 5 obligatory prayers (as demonstrated by Mouhamed (PBUH)), Pay Zakaat (obligatory tax to feed and care for the poor amounting to 2.5% of income), Fast During Ramadan (Month in which the Quran was revealed on the Arabic calendar) from First light till sundown, Go to Hajj (pilgrimage to the Kabaa which is the place of worship Abraham (PBUH) built with his son Ishmael (PBUH))
- The ultimate authority is God (Allah), as you are submitting to his will the only thing anyone else can force you to do is nothing. Imams and Sheiks (leaders of worship and scholars) provide instruction based on their understanding given that they normally have more knowledge than others, but one is free to refuse their advice if they see it as contradictory or insufficiently backed with evidences from authentic sources
- There is only 1 Islam. Reformations are prohibited. There are a few schools of thought that differ, but the core beliefs stay the same. Most differences stem from politics in the early years of Islam.
- None... Why would one follow a religion in which they have a problem with the practice? |||||| Just a thought, did you mean What geopolitical/societal instances place undue stress on practice? If this is you question, the largest issue is the vast over judgement and forced media explosion of hatred to followers. Political Candidates feed on the anger of the uninformed public and exacerbate the problem with an overindulgence of focus on small groups who claim ties with the religion yet don't even tend to cover the most basic of practice. Harassment, and non-cooperation tend to follow when one explains the errors of these views. Further issues arise from the amount of misinformation from sources who claim to study our text but claim to their followers things that have never existed in our beliefs.
 
Salaam Allahikum, Ramadan Mubarak,

I do not, people come and go, if they see it, they might answer, these school helps usually get passed over.
 
Gooday Syam,

I think enough's already been written regarding the nuts and bolts of each religion to satisfy your query. So I'll leave you with something to throw at your teacher from the late George Carlin who said in his act;

I'm a Frisbeetarian. We worship Frisbees. We believe when you die your sole goes up on the roof and you can't get it down. The chief problem facing our faith are cracks in the sidewalk, uncovered storm drains and dogs.
 
Topics of discussion:

I am a Baha'i from an agnostic perspective.

-What are the fundamental beliefs in your religion?
Lots of Baha'i references that deal with this but . . .

The Baha'i Faith believes in an evolving progressive Revelation for all of Creation and the spiritual evolution of humanity. Religions and faiths are belief systems that reflect God and Revelation from a human perspective from the time and culture the religion or faith originated. Creation and Revelation are basically one eternal process.

-What are the fundamental doctrines of your religion?

The spiritual principles and Spiritual Laws basically: The unknowable oneness and unity of God known only through progressive Revelation. The unity of all religions in the progressive Revelation and spiritual evolution of humanity. Universal education f, or all male and female, Social and legal equality of men and women, elimination of slavery of all forms, the harmony of science and religion (science is a form of revelation of knowledge of our physical existence, and ALL religious texts including Baha'i scripture must be understood in the light of the evolving scientific knowledge of our physical existence.) the Relative evolving nature of human knowledge both physical and spiritual.

-What are the main ritual and rites?

Obligatory daily pray, rites of burial, and nothing else.

-What/Who are the authorities of your religion? [/quot]

The Revelation of Baha'u'llah embodied in his writings.

-How do you regard the other sects/thoughts in your religion?

Differing aspects of the evolving progressive nature of Revelation from the human perspective.

-What are the problems faced in practicing your religion?

Dealing with the ego.

I believe there is an important aspect of religion you did not deal with with these question and that is;

What is nature salvation in your religion?

In the Baha'i Faith it is the progressive nearness to God in the spiritual journey through this world and all other worlds of God. Salvation is relative to the sincerity of each individual believer in their spiritual journey. The ultimate nature of ones Salvation is with the judgement of God, and not the belief in any one particular religion nor belief system. The Baha'i Faith represents the highest path for acquiring spiritual attributes for approaching the nearness to God in this world and future worlds, but this does not preclude salvation of those outside the Baha'i faith, because ones sincerity of belief and spiritual journey is subject to the judgement of God not human judgements.
 
Gooday Syam,

I think enough's already been written regarding the nuts and bolts of each religion to satisfy your query. So I'll leave you with something to throw at your teacher from the late George Carlin who said in his act;

I'm a Frisbeetarian. We worship Frisbees. We believe when you die your sole goes up on the roof and you can't get it down. The chief problem facing our faith are cracks in the sidewalk, uncovered storm drains and dogs.

If your dog gets your frisbee your toast, and end up chewed and flipping in the surf.
 
Hi! How do I address you Sir?

Btw thank you for your response and the time put in for the brief explainations. I've heard of Baha'i faith but never asked. Hope to learn more and understand from your perspective. Do correct me if I did not comprehend based on your perspective.

Fundamental beliefs:
Baha'i faith believe in Oneness of God (monotheistic) and unity of all revealed religions.

This faith believes that throughout the history of mankind, the Revelation from God has been from the same and only God. There is a need to unify and seek a common ground for all the religions as the belief systems has been evolving from the human perspective due to time and culture.

Fundamental doctrines:
- All religious text (religions that are unified in Baha'i faith)
- Baha'i Scriptures.

Main rituals and rites:
- Obligatory daily prayers
- Burial for the deceased

Authority of religion:
- Baha'u'llah who was considered as a messenger of God after Muhammad I supposed? He also wrote the Baha'i Scriptures.

Regarding other sects:
I think it has been explained under fundamental beliefs.

Problems practicing faith:
Considering that you've addressed it from a personal perspective, I'm assuming that the environment that you lived in allows for religious freedom and there are no religious hatred or attack whether by the media or human interaction.

So now with some questions for better understanding.

Qns 1) Having to believe in unity of all religions, does a Baha'i have to learn all the revealed religions? So would the belief include Afterlife, the Day of Judgement, Angels, Life is based on ordained laws set by God?

Qns 2) Holy Books/Scriptures are revealed to man. Do you consider all the Holy Books as words of God or just writings from human perspective of a belief system?

Qns 3) What do you mean by progressive Revelation? Does it involves on-going Revelation till today or it has stopped after the time of Baha'u'llah?

Qns 4) With all the Scriptures being fundamental doctrines, how does contradictions in one Scripture to another being viewed.

Qns 5) Do you have fasting as part of your ritual since it has been mentioned in most Holy Scriptures?

Qns 6) Will there be any more Prophets in the future after Baha'u'llah?
 
Hi! How do I address you Sir?

Frank is fine.

Btw thank you for your response and the time put in for the brief explainations. I've heard of Baha'i faith but never asked. Hope to learn more and understand from your perspective. Do correct me if I did not comprehend based on your perspective.

Fundamental beliefs:
Baha'i faith believe in Oneness of God (monotheistic) and unity of all revealed religions.

This faith believes that throughout the history of mankind, the Revelation from God has been from the same and only God. There is a need to unify and seek a common ground for all the religions as the belief systems has been evolving from the human perspective due to time and culture.

Fundamental doctrines:
- All religious text (religions that are unified in Baha'i faith)
- Baha'i Scriptures.

Main rituals and rites:
- Obligatory daily prayers
- Burial for the deceased

Authority of religion:
- Baha'u'llah who was considered as a messenger of God after Muhammad I supposed? He also wrote the Baha'i Scriptures.

Regarding other sects:
I think it has been explained under fundamental beliefs.

Problems practicing faith:
Considering that you've addressed it from a personal perspective, I'm assuming that the environment that you lived in allows for religious freedom and there are no religious hatred or attack whether by the media or human interaction.

There is a spiritual law in the Baha'i Faith that forbids conflict, wars and other violence in the name of religion.

So now with some questions for better understanding.

Qns 1) Having to believe in unity of all religions, does a Baha'i have to learn all the revealed religions? So would the belief include Afterlife, the Day of Judgement, Angels, Life is based on ordained laws set by God?

Yes, the Baha'i Faith believes in the after life, angels possibly, and Spiritual Laws revealed by God. The believe in the Day of Judgement subject to understanding and interpretation. I will have to think about this, but on the surface the Day of Judgement occurs every time a new Revelation occurs.

Qns 2) Holy Books/Scriptures are revealed to man. Do you consider all the Holy Books as words of God or just writings from human perspective of a belief system?
Both, but not 'just writings from human perspective.' The human element of scriptures reflects the human view of God and Revelation in the culture and time the Revelation occurred.

Qns 3) What do you mean by progressive Revelation? Does it involves on-going Revelation till today or it has stopped after the time of Baha'u'llah?

Progressive revelation is the evolution of the spiritual knowledge and education of humanity. From our perspective there is no beginning nor end of Creation and Revelation.

Qns 4) With all the Scriptures being fundamental doctrines, how does contradictions in one Scripture to another being viewed.

All scriptures are not fundamental doctrines. The Bible is a clear witness to this where the Old Testament to the New Testament shows a spiritual evolution from a more primitive system to Christianity.

Qns 5) Do you have fasting as part of your ritual since it has been mentioned in most Holy Scriptures?

Yes, sun up to sunset for 19 days in the spring. The Baha'i Faith calendar is nineteen months of nineteen days with the New Year as March 21.

Qns 6) Will there be any more Prophets in the future after Baha'u'llah?

Yes.
 
Qns 1) Having to believe in unity of all religions, does a Baha'i have to learn all the revealed religions? So would the belief include Afterlife, the Day of Judgement, Angels, Life is based on ordained laws set by God?
Yes, the Baha'i Faith believes in the after life, angels possibly, and Spiritual Laws revealed by God. The believe in the Day of Judgement subject to understanding and interpretation. I will have to think about this, but on the surface the Day of Judgement occurs every time a new Revelation occurs.

Ah I see. Do you have the same concept as Islam whereby the Day of Judgement is the end of all existence and Man will be judged by God to live in the Afterlife whether in Heaven or Hell?

And every time a new Revelation occurs, does it come along with a new Prophet?


Qns 2) Holy Books/Scriptures are revealed to man. Do you consider all the Holy Books as words of God or just writings from human perspective of a belief system?
Both, but not 'just writings from human perspective.' The human element of scriptures reflects the human view of God and Revelation in the culture and time the Revelation occurred.

Help me further understand. Based on Islamic concept, the Holy Books are words of God. Therefore, God does not need any human view about Himself and instead only Him, the Creator, has the right to talk about Himself to His creations.

So having Scriptures that are a product of man or having human views of God, how do Baha'i faith determine that they are no doubts of false information or errors or contradictions with any other Scriptures? Or how do Baha'i faith comprehend and accept these human element of scriptures.


Qns 3) What do you mean by progressive Revelation? Does it involves on-going Revelation till today or it has stopped after the time of Baha'u'llah?
Progressive revelation is the evolution of the spiritual knowledge and education of humanity. From our perspective there is no beginning nor end of Creation and Revelation.

Am I right say that spiritual knowledge will never be completed and continuously evolve? Therefore, it is possible that rituals and rites can evolve with time? (For example fasting 19 days in spring would increase to 20 days if new a Revelation state as such)


Qns 4) With all the Scriptures being fundamental doctrines, how does contradictions in one Scripture to another being viewed.
All scriptures are not fundamental doctrines. The Bible is a clear witness to this where the Old Testament to the New Testament shows a spiritual evolution from a more primitive system to Christianity.

Do you think there is a need for spiritual evolution even though it involves human intervention? What are your views about the Qur'an which does not allow for any intervention or modified versions?


Qns 6) Will there be any more Prophets in the future after Baha'u'llah?

How would the followers know of the coming Prophets? Will their religion change into a new religion based on the Prophet's name?
 
Qns 1) Having to believe in unity of all religions, does a Baha'i have to learn all the revealed religions? So would the belief include Afterlife, the Day of Judgement, Angels, Life is based on ordained laws set by God?


Ah I see. Do you have the same concept as Islam whereby the Day of Judgement is the end of all existence and Man will be judged by God to live in the Afterlife whether in Heaven or Hell?

I believe the Day of Judgement is not the end of all existence and Man will be judged by God to live in the Afterlife whether in Heaven or Hell, it is an interpretation by some or many Christians and Muslims, but not all.

No, the Baha'is do not believe there will be judgement Day where there will be the end of all existence and Man will be judged by God to live in the Afterlife whether in Heaven or Hell. When a new manifestation Judgement Day will be in the hearts of humanity whether they will accept or reject the new Revelation from God

And every time a new Revelation occurs, does it come along with a new Prophet?

Yes, but there is also Revelation through the minds of humanity.

Qns 2) Holy Books/Scriptures are revealed to man. Do you consider all the Holy Books as words of God or just writings from human perspective of a belief system?

Help me further understand. Based on Islamic concept, the Holy Books are words of God. Therefore, God does not need any human view about Himself and instead only Him, the Creator, has the right to talk about Himself to His creations.

So having Scriptures that are a product of man or having human views of God, how do Baha'i faith determine that they are no doubts of false information or errors or contradictions with any other Scriptures? Or how do Baha'i faith comprehend and accept these human element of scriptures.

In reality you cannot get around the human influence on scripture, because ultimately the Revelation comes through the human mind in one way or another, and the subject of human interpretations. There would not be so many different interpretations and divisions in Christianity, Islam and other religions if the scripture was clearly and concisely Revealed in the hand of God. It is well documented that the Pentateuch is compiled edited and redacted over time as a process without specific authors. It naive to think Exodus was written by Moses. or the other books have a known author. Most of Genesis and the other books of the Pentateuch evolved from older non-Hebrew texts, including Ugarit, Canaanite, and pre-Babylonian cuneiform texts.

Qns 3) What do you mean by progressive Revelation? Does it involves on-going Revelation till today or it has stopped after the time of Baha'u'llah?

Am I right say that spiritual knowledge will never be completed and continuously evolve?
Yes, because God's knowledge is infinite and absolute, while human knowledge is obviously fallible, finite, and limited therefore humans physically and spiritually evolved in the image of God. The fact that religion progressively evolved and changed from the beginning in the Old Testament, to the New Testament, and the Koran, indicating Religion is progressive and changes. It is not logical if Revelation is progressive from the OT to the Koran that it suddenly stops, considering the the fractured divisions, conflicts, religious wars. The violent unresolved division in Islam are classic examples of the need of a new Revelation.

Therefore, it is possible that rituals and rites can evolve with time? (For example fasting 19 days in spring would increase to 20 days if new a Revelation state as such)

It's possible, but a calendar of 20 days does not fit well, also the Islamic lunar calendar does fit well with the world use of calendars. This is a trivial consideration. The important changes are in the spiritual laws, and restoring the valid teachings of past religions and preaching the renewed message of unity among the religions, and the end of schisms based on human interpretations of scripture and tradition.

Qns 4) With all the Scriptures being fundamental doctrines, how does contradictions in one Scripture to another being viewed.

Do you think there is a need for spiritual evolution even though it involves human intervention? What are your views about the Qur'an which does not allow for any intervention or modified versions?

The spiritual evolution does not involve specifically human intervention. Change with new Revelation takes place despite human intervention. Most human intervention takes place to prevent change, and violently oppose those that believe differently.

The belief of religions not allowing intervention nor modified version over time is universal with all ancient religions. It is the claim of Judaism against Christianity and Islam and Baha'i. It is the claim of Christianity against Islam and Baha'i. and of course the claim Islam against the Baha'i Faith and anything that comes after Islam. Claims of heresy are universal with all religions, against other religions and the result is often violence. Nonetheless interpretation, commentary and editions occur in all religions adding, interpreting, intervening, and modifying religions, and also creating many sects and divisions that do not agree on the modifications and interventions. Many of these attempts at modifications and interventions are an attempt to address a changing world that the religion awkwardly no longer fits.

Qns 6) Will there be any more Prophets in the future after Baha'u'llah?

How would the followers know of the coming Prophets? Will their religion change into a new religion based on the Prophet's name?
When the Judgement Days come down, some accept and others deny the new message. This has always been true of Revelations from God throughout history.
 
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Qns 1) Having to believe in unity of all religions, does a Baha'i have to learn all the revealed religions? So would the belief include Afterlife, the Day of Judgement, Angels, Life is based on ordained laws set by God?
shunyadragon said:
Yes, the Baha'i Faith believes in the after life, angels possibly, and Spiritual Laws revealed by God. The believe in the Day of Judgement subject to understanding and interpretation. I will have to think about this, but on the surface the Day of Judgement occurs every time a new Revelation occurs.

Syam said:
Ah I see. Do you have the same concept as Islam whereby the Day of Judgement is the end of all existence and Man will be judged by God to live in the Afterlife whether in Heaven or Hell?

And every time a new Revelation occurs, does it come along with a new Prophet?

shunyadragon said:
I believe the Day of Judgement is not the end of all existence and Man will be judged by God to live in the Afterlife whether in Heaven or Hell, it is an interpretation by some or many Christians and Muslims, but not all.

No, the Baha'is do not believe there will be judgement Day where there will be the end of all existence and Man will be judged by God to live in the Afterlife whether in Heaven or Hell. When a new manifestation Judgement Day will be in the hearts of humanity whether they will accept or reject the new Revelation from God.

Yes, but there is also Revelation through the minds of humanity.

Syam said:
So from a Baha'i faith, Day of Judgement refers to the Day when a there is a new Revelation from God which will also include a coming of a new Prophet. And that Day, God will judge who will accept or reject the new Revelation. Did I understand correctly?

As for Revelation through the minds of humanity, how do the Baha'i faith confirms that it is a new Revelation from God? Is there any indications in Scriptures or Books that indicate the signs of the coming new Revelation? (For example, The Torah and The Gospel had indicated the coming of the final Prophet which will thus be the final and complete Revelation from God.)


Qns 2) Holy Books/Scriptures are revealed to man. Do you consider all the Holy Books as words of God or just writings from human perspective of a belief system?
shunyadragon said:
Both, but not 'just writings from human perspective.' The human element of scriptures reflects the human view of God and Revelation in the culture and time the Revelation occurred.

Syam said:
Help me further understand. Based on Islamic concept, the Holy Books are words of God. Therefore, God does not need any human view about Himself and instead only Him, the Creator, has the right to talk about Himself to His creations.

So having Scriptures that are a product of man or having human views of God, how do Baha'i faith determine that they are no doubts of false information or errors or contradictions with any other Scriptures? Or how do Baha'i faith comprehend and accept these human element of scriptures.

shunyadragon said:
In reality you cannot get around the human influence on scripture, because ultimately the Revelation comes through the human mind in one way or another, and the subject of human interpretations. There would not be so many different interpretations and divisions in Christianity, Islam and other religions if the scripture was clearly and concisely Revealed in the hand of God. It is well documented that the Pentateuch is compiled edited and redacted over time as a process without specific authors. It naive to think Exodus was written by Moses. or the other books have a known author. Most of Genesis and the other books of the Pentateuch evolved from older non-Hebrew texts, including Ugarit, Canaanite, and pre-Babylonian cuneiform texts.

Syam said:
I would like to comment on this part. Considering the Torah, Gospel, the Qur'an being Revelations or Words of God, the messages revealed to the Nations and then to Mankind were clear of doubt and pure.

However despite the great devotion of finding and worshipping the Truth, mankind has not always been guided by soundness and purity. Looking back in history in most instances, the act of worship have been deviated from its pure state and evolved over time with various practices, expressions, rituals and superstitions. These deviated religions were all connected by the lowness of one’s knowledge and imaginative fabrications, stemmed by their own ignorance and superstitions. That has been the reason why Prophets were sent to the Nations to "fix" the deviated religion and finally a complete "fix" with the Last Revelation. (It has to be a process in regards to human nature where God educates Man thus they developed and learnt from mistakes in order not to repeat them and be better in the future. God had created man and therefore knows that humanity was ready for the Final Revelation) However as humans being humans, we will always want to try to "fix" the religion to suit our needs or our times instead of following the "fixed" religion which in consequence causing different interpretations (deviate from the root principles of faith) thus leading to divisions in the same religion.

That is why the final Revelation which is the Qur'an was never edited or redacted as it has always been in its pure state, even though it was documented into a physical book form. The Chapters and Verses are still words of God and was never edited from a human perspective. It is only logical that if you have something in its purest state, you can't take anything out from it nor add more things into it. If so, then it would have been corrupted which will lead to corrupted followers.


Qns 3) What do you mean by progressive Revelation? Does it involves on-going Revelation till today or it has stopped after the time of Baha'u'llah?
shunyadragon said:
Progressive revelation is the evolution of the spiritual knowledge and education of humanity. From our perspective there is no beginning nor end of Creation and Revelation.

Syam said:
Am I right say that spiritual knowledge will never be completed and continuously evolve?

Therefore, it is possible that rituals and rites can evolve with time? (For example fasting 19 days in spring would increase to 20 days if new a Revelation state as such)

shunyadragon said:
Yes, because God's knowledge is infinite and absolute, while human knowledge is obviously fallible, finite, and limited therefore humans physically and spiritually evolved in the image of God. The fact that religion progressively evolved and changed from the beginning in the Old Testament, to the New Testament, and the Koran, indicating Religion is progressive and changes. It is not logical if Revelation is progressive from the OT to the Koran that it suddenly stops, considering the the fractured divisions, conflicts, religious wars. The violent unresolved division in Islam are classic examples of the need of a new Revelation.

It's possible, but a calendar of 20 days does not fit well, also the Islamic lunar calendar does fit well with the world use of calendars. This is a trivial consideration. The important changes are in the spiritual laws, and restoring the valid teachings of past religions and preaching the renewed message of unity among the religions, and the end of schisms based on human interpretations of scripture and tradition.

Syam said:
Yes, human knowledge is fallible and finite. 1400+ years ago when the Qur'an was revealed, there are several verses that God had mentioned in past but was better understood in modern times due to the increase in knowledge and tech. Some examples were the Earth is round and rotating at its own axis which was only discovered years after the Qur'an was revealed. Also the healing benefits of honey which was mentioned in the Qur'an was also proven in today's science.

"And He it is Who has created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each in an orbit floating." (Qur'an, 21:33)

"Your Lord revealed to the bees: "Build dwellings in the mountains and the trees, and also in the structures which men erect. Then eat from every kind of fruit and travel the paths of your Lord, which have been made easy for you to follow." From inside them comes a drink of varying colours, containing healing for mankind. There is certainly a Sign in that for people who reflect." (Qur'an, 16:69)


Qns 4) With all the Scriptures being fundamental doctrines, how does contradictions in one Scripture to another being viewed.
shunyadragon said:
All scriptures are not fundamental doctrines. The Bible is a clear witness to this where the Old Testament to the New Testament shows a spiritual evolution from a more primitive system to Christianity.

Syam said:
Do you think there is a need for spiritual evolution even though it involves human intervention?

What are your views about the Qur'an which does not allow for any intervention or modified versions?

shunyadragon said:
The spiritual evolution does not involve specifically human intervention. Change with new Revelation takes place despite human intervention. Most human intervention takes place to prevent change, and violently oppose those that believe differently.

The belief of religions not allowing intervention nor modified version over time is universal with all ancient religions. It is the claim of Judaism against Christianity and Islam and Baha'i. It is the claim of Christianity against Islam and Baha'i. and of course the claim Islam against the Baha'i Faith and anything that comes after Islam. Claims of heresy are universal with all religions, against other religions and the result is often violence. Nonetheless interpretation, commentary and editions occur in all religions adding, interpreting, intervening, and modifying religions, and also creating many sects and divisions that do not agree on the modifications and interventions. Many of these attempts at modifications and interventions are an attempt to address a changing world that the religion awkwardly no longer fits.

Syam said:
I believe the interpretations or editions is more likely due to the conflict in ideology where some wants to hide the truth or add to the truth in order for political gain or power. These are the people are who are causing the corruption, creating many sects and divisions.


Qns 6) Will there be any more Prophets in the future after Baha'u'llah?
shunyadragon said:

Syam said:
How would the followers know of the coming Prophets? Will their religion change into a new religion based on the Prophet's name?

shunyadragon said:
When the Judgement Days come down, some accept and others deny the new message. This has always been true of Revelations from God throughout history.

Syam said:
I see. Then there is a different definition of Judgement Day between Baha'i faith and Islam.
 
Syam: Your last post had odd formating and was difficult to respond to. I will do this one section at a time.

Syam said:
So from a Baha'i faith, Day of Judgement refers to the Day when a there is a new Revelation from God which will also include a coming of a new Prophet. And that Day, God will judge who will accept or reject the new Revelation. Did I understand correctly?

Yes.

As for Revelation through the minds of humanity, how do the Baha'i faith confirms that it is a new Revelation from God? Is there any indications in Scriptures or Books that indicate the signs of the coming new Revelation?

First Revelation 'through the minds of humans' does not change nor influence the scripture Revelation itself. Over time the positive spiritual change in the world, inspiration of new changes in the world that inspires knowledge of science, and spiritual evolution of humanity. I believe people who receive this personal Revelation do not know nor claim they received the Revelation. I can give you examples in the future, after giving it some thought.

It is too close to the present revelation to have much to deal with concerning future prophets.

(For example, The Torah and The Gospel had indicated the coming of the final Prophet which will thus be the final and complete Revelation from God.)

Actually if you read the Old Testament closely you will find that it refers to more than one messiah. I do not believe the Torah (Old Testament) explicitly refers to a final prophet and thus a final Revelation. This conclusion is basically an interpretation of scripture. The same is true of the New Testament in Christianity. The "end of an age" in the scripture is interpreted as the End of the world.[/quote]
 
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Apologies. I had to rearrange to document it into my assignment. You can just indicate the qns number and your response.
 
shunyadragon said:
Actually if you read the Old Testament closely you will find that it refers to more than one messiah. I do not believe the Torah (Old Testament) explicitly refers to a final prophet and thus a final Revelation. This conclusion is basically an interpretation of scripture. The same is true of the New Testament in Christianity. The "end of an age" in the scripture is interpreted as the End of the world.

May I know as well which verse in the Old Testament which refers to more than one Messiah?
 
The "end of an age" in the scripture is interpreted as the End of the world.

If so (and I agree it is so) this phrase is the most misunderstood in Christianity. Or at least in American Christianity, which is the only versions from which I have personal experience. Then I suspect that a lot of the supposed misunderstanding is in fact stated as such by people who believe it no more than me but spout it as a useful tool for their personal agendas.
 
If so (and I agree it is so) this phrase is the most misunderstood in Christianity.
I don't know if "end of age" is the most misunderstood, but it ranks right up there. By some interpretations, mine included, "end of age" means just that. There are 3 earth/heaven ages or eras of which we are in the second. End of age as used in the NT refers to the end of the current earth/heaven age and beginning of the third and final age with heaven established on earth and all life returning to spiritual form. I think the confusion centers around life in the flesh and all worldly things associated with it coming to an end . Many interpret this as the earth itself being destroyed.
 
-What are the fundamental beliefs in your religion?
-What are the fundamental doctrines of your religion?
-What are the main ritual and rites?
-What/Who are the authorities of your religion?
-How do you regard the other sects/thoughts in your religion?
-What are the problems faced in practicing your religion?
I am a Mercuræn which is a branch of the Western Left Hand Path and Luciferianism
Our fundamental belief is founded on the Principles of Internal Alchemy, a Philosophy which prescribes that we are fallen Lucifers in this objective / physical state of Being, and that through separation and control of the objective universe we can Become more than Human and ultimately bring the Current of our Higher Self into our self thus attaining Mercurius Consciousness.
Our main rites consist of practices and disciplines which separate our consciousness from the objective universe allowing us to experience our higher Self
We are our own authorities
There are no other sects in this faith, we accept some Satanic and Luciferian principles but not all
Any problems within this faith is understood as an adversity and through mastery of these adversities wisdom is achieved
 
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