Assalam-o-Alaikum,
Vajradhara said:
Salaam thipps,
thank you for the post and the thoughtful reply.
You are most welcome.
not a "sister" either
for the sake of our discussion, let's presume that i am genderless and let's take my ideas on their own.
Your questions and ideas are taken on thier own regardless of your gender. I was being proper as Islam requires me to be.
one of the problems with using an example like this is that i know many women that are much stronger than most of the men that i know. they are, after all, body builder type people.
i think it's a bit facile to say that "men are stronger than women" and leave it at that. sure, some men are stronger than some women and some women are stronger than some men.
The purpose of the
"men are stronger than women" example was just that.. an example. Please do not take it as an absoulte. there are always exceptions as you, in this case, pointed out the body-building women. They are exceptions, not the rule. If you do not simply agree with the point of men being stronger than women physically[in general], then please think of anything where men have a degree higher than women. It will serve the same purpose. I anticipated that you or someone else reading this might think this way and that is the reason i specificaly wrote in my previous post the following:"[You can make up your own example/scenario if you like]"
thank you for the Ahadith postings. i should state, at this point, that my understanding of Islam is restricted to Al Qur'an alone. the subject of Ahadith is far too involved for me to be able to determine which are authentic and which are not. i'm aware of the field of scholarship associated with the research and validation of each Ahadith.
i, however, am not able to make these determinations and thus, rely upon Al Qur'an alone.
i've come to understand that i won't be able to have a proper understanding of Islam unless i include the Sunnah and the Ahadith. that is something that i will simply have to accept.
This should not restrict me atleast. I cant explain everything to you in detail if you make me restrict myself in such a manner. And yes, the hadith is authentic. i noticed that i forgot to write the name of the hadith book in the reference. This particular hadith is in
Sahih Bukhari.
could you elaborate a bit on this please? many people will be confused by the terms and their significance.
I knew many ppl would not understand the terms 'Azan' and 'Iqamaah'. Thats why i wrote thier meanings right next to the first mentioning of these words. Please read my original post. It is there.
why is this so? why must the womans voice be hushed and whispered when she recites the Azaan?
What you are asking is
Why a certain order has been prescribed in a particular situation. I
think its cause of the same reason that it would distract men. But I will get you the correct answer after i have asked a scholar. So, please consider what i have written as a probable answer only.
By the way, if you feel that this is unfair to women, then why did you not ask about the fathers who are getting 3 times less respect as compared to the mothers? I urged you initially to keep the original example of the two students in mind. It provides the basis for understanding everything. Sometimes men will get more, sometimes women will get more. simple. The reason is, again, that they are NOT identical.
When i was writing all these details, i knew there would be more and more questions and i also knew i would not be able to answer all of them. But that isnt a reason for me to not write. I do not know the answer to your question. Please understand that i am just a layman and not a scholar, so I dont have all the answers at all times. I will ask someone and yes, this will take time. If there is a mosque near to where you live, please ask there.
23:71. If the Truth had been in accord with their desires, truly the heavens and the earth, and all beings therein would have been in confusion and corruption! Nay, We have sent them their admonition, but they turn away from their admonition. (
Yusuf Ali's Quran Translation)
i must confess that this seems rather strange to me. it rather seems like Allah views men as being barely restrainable lustful animals that will be provoked by even the barest hint of females.
perhaps, this is more of an indictment regarding Muslims rather than a prohibition regarding Muslimahs?
Its for best results. Furthermore, just to elaborate on this, i would like to say:
Please look at the fingers on one of your hands and you will notice that all of them are different.
how does a man stand with one other man? very interesting, thank you for the response!
In this particular case, both men stand next to eachother with the Imam(one who is leading the prayer), standing on the left and slightly ahead. say, half a foot would be fine. Two women praying together will do exactly the same.
Although i have described it, you will probably have to see it to get the best understanding.