Sexality

I'll have to read that pdf you posted, apexcone.

Namaste Jesus said:
The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.
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I'm a big fan of healthy boundaries in relationships. The Christian model sketched out in the few Jesus sayings we have is sufficiently vague as to permit idealization of unhealthy relationship structures: enablers, co-dependencies , power games, and so on. Not saying this is always or necessarily so, but that the Christian ideal based on Jesus sayings does not have safeguards against such relationship wreckages.

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Cino said:
I'll have to read that pdf you posted.

I'm a big fan of healthy boundaries in relationships. The Christian model sketched out in the few Jesus sayings we have is sufficiently vague as to permit idealization of unhealthy relationship structures: enablers, co-dependencies and so on. Not saying this is always or necessarily so, but that the Christian ideal based on Jesus sayings does not have safeguards against such relationship wreckages.
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Your point being.....
 
apexcone said:
Would I be right in assuming you believe the Bible is the word of God
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More like inspired word. To me the Bible can be literal, figurative and everything in between. Sometimes all at once.
apexcone said:
your response seemed very fundamentalist
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LoL... Depends on who you ask. To those who identify themselves as fundamentalist I'm anything but. In some circles I've been described as a Hindu devote of Christ. I'm just a Christian though, of no particular denominational moniker.
Cino said:
Christian ideal based on Jesus sayings does not have safeguards against such relationship wreckages.
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Well for me, The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. and ...they are no more twain, but one flesh, is that safeguard. Breakdowns occur when one or both parties dismiss or fail to grasp the profound importance of these concepts and other teachings.

Free to choose though. Follow your faith's teaching, don't, spin it to suit a particular lifestyle or discount it altogether. Choice has been ours from the start. To each his own.
 
Namaste Jesus said:
More like inspired word. To me the Bible can be literal, figurative and everything in between. Sometimes all at once.

LoL... Depends on who you ask. To those who identify themselves as fundamentalist I'm anything but. In some circles I've been described as a Hindu devote of Christ. I'm just a Christian though, of no particular denominational moniker.

Well for me, The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. and ...they are no more twain, but one flesh, is that safeguard. Breakdowns occur when one or both parties dismiss or fail to grasp the profound importance of these concepts and other teachings.

Free to choose though. Follow your faith's teaching, don't, spin it to suit a particular lifestyle or discount it altogether. Choice has been ours from the start. To each his own.
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I see. I guess when some answers a question with a long list of Bible verses, it would appear obvious they could well be a fundamentalist.
 
wil said:
Or run their own church...

When one gets used to writing a talk every week, they got a lot of familiar scripture
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I think fundamentalism starts with literalism. Most folks I've met that repeatedly quote Bible verses to back up their arguments start with believing the Bible literally, well that's what their told to do, so in my opinion, it's literalism that leads to fundamentalism. How do I know ? because I used to be one until the lights came on for me. As they say, "once I was blind but now I see"
 
Our buddy Jack will quote the bible quite often... As does my preacher...as will any preacher I am likely to listen to repeatedly, none would be fundamental or.literal, but yeah you'll find NJ more conservative than themm
 
wil said:
Our buddy Jack will quote the bible quite often... As does my preacher...as will any preacher I am likely to listen to repeatedly, none would be fundamental or.literal, but yeah you'll find NJ more conservative than themm
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NJ ?
 
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apexcone said:
I used to be one until the lights came on for me.
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Ah, but do you know who through the switch?
wil said:
Our buddy Jack will quote the bible quite often... As does my preacher...as will any preacher I am likely to listen to repeatedly, none would be fundamental or.literal, but yeah you'll find NJ more conservative than themm
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LOL... Not long ago it was your insistence that I had started a new religion because of my inclusion of Hindu practice in my faith. Now you're telling people I'm a borderline fundamentalist literal Christian conservative. o_O

"For him who has conquered the mind, the mind is the best of friends; but for one who has failed to do so, his very mind will be the greatest enemy." Bhagavad Gita 6:6​
 
Namaste Jesus said:
Ah, but do you know who through the switch?

LOL... Not long ago it was your insistence that I had started a new religion because of my inclusion of Hindu practice in my faith. Now you're telling people I'm a borderline fundamentalist literal Christian conservative. o_O

"For him who has conquered the mind, the mind is the best of friends; but for one who has failed to do so, his very mind will be the greatest enemy." Bhagavad Gita 6:6​
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I'm not sure what your referring to, but I haven't insisted you do anything. For whats its worth I would strongly advise from starting another religion.
 
apexcone said:
I'm not sure what your referring to, but I haven't insisted you do anything. For whats its worth I would strongly advise from starting another religion.
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Ah, might want to take a look at whose post was quoted above which comment in #51.
 
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Cino said:
... The Christian model sketched out in the few Jesus sayings we have is sufficiently vague as to permit idealization of unhealthy relationship structures: enablers, co-dependencies , power games, and so on. Not saying this is always or necessarily so, but that the Christian ideal based on Jesus sayings does not have safeguards against such relationship wreckages.
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In fact the only statements Jesus made about marriage, were about divorce. I have posted the passage in full because it is so short;

http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=413764199
Matthew 19: 1 - 12

When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went to the region of Judea beyond the Jordan. Large crowds followed him, and he cured them there.

Some Pharisees came to him, and to test him they asked, ‘Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any cause?’ He answered, ‘Have you not read that the one who made them at the beginning “made them male and female”, and said, “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh”? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.'

They said to him, ‘Why then did Moses command us to give a certificate of dismissal and to divorce her?’ He said to them, ‘It was because you were so unteacheable that Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but at the beginning it was not so. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for unchastity, and marries another commits adultery.’

His disciples said to him, ‘If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry.’ But he said to them, ‘Not everyone can accept this teaching, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.'

(That's all Jesus ever said about it. Much of the Christian Marriage stuff comes from St Paul)
 
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