The Seven Types of Atheism

You doubt that there is an Absolute Godhead who is a persona?
Like I said, this is not an intellectual choice I made. I have no Absolute Godhead who is a persona. This is a realization I had, a revelation I witnessed, insert favorite technical term here.
While we have subjective introspection there is the rest of our existence that is "controlled" by forces that we must abide.

An atheist may have subjective ideas, but there are so many factors that enforce our service as stewards to our stratum of work.

Do you have a particular atheist in mind, I wonder? And what, in your opinion, might the stewardship to the atheist stratum of work be?

A monkey might be an atheist, but that doesn't relieve the monkey of staying within his station in life. The monkey must do monkey things until the monkey can graduate to a higher stratum of life.

Funny that you write that. I like monkeys a lot!

Neti-neti is an intellectual exercise. A painful exercise that will produce gains.

This makes me think you never tried it the way I used it. Take the Shahada. It is not an intellectual exercise, and yet, it has a very similar structure to our discussion about neti-neti.

Are you a Buddhist?

It is odd that some think that their existence ends upon death ---thus surpassing common Buddhist monks that seek nirvana.

No, but well spotted, I studied a Buddhist school for some time, and had a buddhist teacher.

People think a lot of odd things, all the time. Or were you thinking of one particular person?

Do you surmise that your existence ends upon death?
Do you surmise that an atheist thinks their existence ends upon death?

I don't know! I am certain that defining parts of what I am will end upon death. My body, my endocrine system which governs my emotions, memories, cognitive processes, intuitive functions, all of which rely on my body's nervous system, ... I know this will come to an end.

I can't speak for other atheists.

Do you surmise all atheists are materialists? Do all believers adhere to a spirit-body dualism, in your opinion?
 
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Imo the question comes down to "Death" ---how to prepare. The atheist says no prep is required cause there is no goal.
That's some heavy duty spiritual materialism you voice there, Bhaktajan II. What is this goal? "He who dies with the most toys, wins"? Spiritual toys, of course?
 
Believing in life after death, or rather wanting to believe in life after death...that is understandable to me, even logical.

It is the knowing that gets me. And that is why I am more of a nontheist/agnostic than atheist... I know so many who positively know about life after death, and G!d yet disagree and argue particulars about both, and dogma and ritual and religion... But it is truly the ones that argue against the easily proven and for the easily disproven, that make me question their veracity on the unknown
 
A common argument without evidence...morality and claimed belief have no correlation. Lot of believers in our jails.

There’s a good many law abiding believers as well.

Nearly all of the incarcerated believers that I’ve known were nonimal believers.
The ones who identified as Christians, for example, were not engaged in the practice of Christianity before going to jail. They didn’t read (much less study) the Bible, rarely prayed (if ever) or attended Church and Christian principles seemed to have not even been considered when making decisions.
 
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What a wonderful graph of looking down one's nose at others...

If you believe in G'd n hell you get a modicum of credit, just a tad more than an atheist. As believing is not enough, you must pray and study, or we only sort of count you among us when you do good, but if you end up in jail...
 
I speak from personal experience - I was incarcerated myself - and my point, which seems to have been missed - my fault - is that many people who identitfy with a particular faith, by their own admission, do not actually believe in it and therefor do not live by it - so it would be inaccurate & misleading to apply or associate their actions with the faith identified.

Nothing at all to do with “believing is not enough” - not enough for what ?

That being said - I have personally experienced and observed that faith/belief is very often discovered and/or renewed during incarseration and for many of us, Prison is a place where a profound Spiritual Awakening has occurred.
 
I believe you believe the anecdotal experiences you have had which form your perceptions of them.

I'll not consider doing what is required to come to the same conclusions.
 
My perception is that the actions of non-believers should not be applied to believers - and my life is not an anecdote
 
That's some heavy duty spiritual materialism you voice there, Bhaktajan II. What is this goal? "He who dies with the most toys, wins"? Spiritual toys, of course?
There is danger at every step in "the material world".
The opening verse of the Vedanta-sutra, "Athāto brahma jijñāsā" means
"Now in the human form of life, let us inquire as to the absolute truth"
 
Do you have a particular atheist in mind, I wonder? And what, in your opinion, might the stewardship to the atheist stratum of work be?

O conquerer of wealth [Arjuna], there is no Truth superior to Me. Everything rests upon Me, as pearls are strung on a thread.
PURPORT
There is a common controversy over whether the Supreme Absolute Truth is personal or impersonal. As far as Bhagavad-gita is concerned, the Absolute Truth is the Personality of Godhead Sri Krsna, and this is confirmed in every step. In this verse, in particular, it is stressed that the Absolute Truth is a person. That the Personality of Godhead is the Supreme Absolute Truth is also the affirmation of the Brahma-samhita: isvarah paramah krsnah sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah; that is, the Supreme Absolute Truth Personality of Godhead is Lord Krsna, who is the primeval Lord, the reservoir of all pleasure, Govinda, and the eternal form of complete bliss and knowledge. These authorities leave no doubt that the Absolute Truth is the Supreme Person, the cause of all causes. The impersonalist, however, argues on the strength of the Vedic version given in the Svetasvatara Upanisad: tato yad uttarataram tad arupam anamayam ya etad vidur amrtas te bhavanti athetare duhkham evapi yanti. "In the material world Brahma, the primeval living entity within the universe, is understood to be the supreme amongst the demigods, human beings and lower animals. But beyond Brahma there is the Transcendence who has no material form and is free from all material contaminations. Anyone who can know Him also becomes transcendental, but those who do not know Him suffer the miseries of the material world."
The impersonalist puts more stress on the word arupam. But this arupam is not impersonal. It indicates the transcendental form of eternity, bliss and knowledge as described in the Brahma-samhita quoted above. Other verses in the Svetasvatara Upanisad substantiate this as follows:
vedaham etam purusam mahantam aditya-varnam tamasah parastat
tam eva vidvan amrta iha bhavati nanyah pantha vidyate ayanaya
yasmat param naparam asti kincid yasmannaniyo na jyayo 'sti kincit
"I know that Supreme Personality of Godhead who is transcendental to all material conceptions of darkness. Only he who knows Him can transcend the bonds of birth and death. There is no way for liberation other than this knowledge of that Supreme Person.
"There is no truth superior to that Supreme Person because He is the supermost. He is smaller than the smallest, and He is greater than the greatest. He is situated as a silent tree, and He illumines the transcendental sky, and as a tree spreads its roots, He spreads His extensive energies."
From these verses one concludes that the Supreme Absolute Truth is the Supreme Personality of Godhead who is all-pervading by His multi-energies, both material and spiritual.

O son of Kunti [Arjuna], I am the taste of water, the light of the sun and the moon, the syllable om in the Vedic mantras; I am the sound in ether and ability in man.
PURPORT
This verse explains how the Lord is all-pervasive by His diverse material and spiritual energies.
The Supreme Lord can be preliminarily perceived by His different energies, and in this way

He is realized impersonally. As the demigod in the sun is a person and is perceived by
his all-pervading energy, the sunshine, similarly, the Lord, although in His eternal abode,
is perceived by His all-pervading, diffusive energies. The taste of water is the active
principle of water. No one likes to drink sea water because the pure taste of water is mixed with salt.
Attraction for water depends on the purity of the taste, and this pure taste is one of the energies of the Lord.

The impersonalist perceives the presence of the Lord in water by its taste, and the
personalist also glorifies the Lord for His kindly supplying water to quench man's thirst.
That is the way of perceiving the Supreme. Practically speaking, there is no conflict between
personalism and impersonalism. One who knows God knows that the impersonal conception
and personal conception are simultaneously present in everything and that there is no contradiction.
Therefore the sublime doctrine of: acintya-bheda and abheda-tattvam-simultaneously one and different.
The light of the sun and the moon is also originally emanating from the brahmajyoti,
which is the impersonal effulgence of the Lord. Similarly pranava or the omkara transcendental ["OM"]
sound used in the beginning of every Vedic hymn to address the Supreme Lord also emanates from Him.
Because the impersonalists are very much afraid of addressing the Supreme Lord Krsna by
His innumerable names, they prefer to vibrate the transcendental sound omkara.
But they do not realize that omkara is the sound representation of Krsna. The jurisdiction of Krsna
consciousness extends everywhere, and one who knows Krsna consciousness is blessed.
Those who do not know Krsna are in illusion, and so knowledge of Krsna is liberation, and ignorance of Him is bondage.

Bhagavad-gita 7.7-8
 
Figurehead = a person who is head of a group, company, etc., in title but actually has no real authority or responsibility: Most modern kings and queens are figureheads.

Godhead = a person that is none other then the personage of God.

I have no Absolute Godhead who is a persona.

There is a always a personality behind the scene:
"The God is a Person Principle"
["Why Atheistic Philosophers can't deny that there is always a personality behind the scene"]:

Q. Who is the personification of the American Dollar Bill?
A. George Washington.

Q. Who is the Living Personification of the American Dollar Bill?
A. Trump.

Q. Who is the personification of the State of New York'?
A. Cuomo

Q. Who is the personification of one of the many regional Counties of New York State?
A. The County Executive.

Q. Who is the personification of one of the many Congressional Districts of New York State?
A. The Congressman/State Representative.

Q. Who is the personification of New York City?
A. The Mayor Belasio.

Q. Who is the personification of one of the many Districts of New York City?
A. The Councilman/Ombudsman.

Q. Who is the personification of any 'Block and Lot' tax-parcel of land?
A. The title barer (The Land owner).

Q. Who is the personification of the any Apartment building?
A. "The Landlord".

Q. Who is the personification of any apartment?
A. The tenant.

Q. Who is the personification of the room with the football and the many toy Trains?
A. One of the male children.

Q. Who is the personification of nursery room?
A. The Baby.

Q. Who is the person reading this named Cino?
A. Your own person.

The point of my illustration is:
"Without the presence of the persona, all paraphernalia is without meaning nor purpose for existing"
 
I was born to a poor family that did not go to church, my parents both believed in god and the bible. As a child my parents gave me and my siblings a choice to go to church and or to believe if we chose to. I never found the urge nor the interest in God or the bible as I grew up, it just wasn't important to me. I have had thousands of experiences in my life that have made me understand who I am and whether there is an after life or not. I tried many times to pick up the bible and read as much as possible but it just seemed so unbelievable. I was a non-believer for all my life until a few years back when my experiences started to change. I do not believe in the biblical god or the written god it is not what I am being shown or taught.

I would say God is all of us and yet none of us he allowed us into his mind to become something here to become ourselves only. It is when the universe started and things started to become nothing inside of themselves that nothing enter into gods mind to become something again. I refer to god as just something, nothing entered into something to become something again. Nothing kept traveling down farther and farther into something to become themselves only, moving from no time outside of something to no time again inside of something. This is when nothing become themselves only and started to become something and is how the dimensions formed as they moved back outwards from no time towards time again.

I would say believe or don't believe it makes no difference one way or the other for we are only minds experiencing something. I was once told that since I did not believe that, there are not consequences to my actions, but they are wrong, I believe in fate, karma and strong morals of right and wrong.

As for the seven types of Atheism and John Grey, who cares, He sold some books to those that wished to read them.

Powessy
 
I look at nature: how the sun and rain draw the tiny green shoot upward from the earth into the air, finally to become an oak tree. I look at the incredible complexity of life. The life-giving sun.

I look at this full-stop. I consider that it contains 20 million atoms, each of which consists of a nucleus the size of a pea in the middle of a football field with pin-prick electrons clouding it -- all the different types of atoms, and the incredible laws and forces that maintain them. That make up all the world and all the universe.

I look up and see the stars of our milky way galaxy: 100 billion stars. I look at the beautiful Hubble images of the cosmos -- incredible supernovae, creating the atoms of the elements. I look at the Hubble deep-field image, of galaxies receding into infinity, beyond where the light from others can ever reach us.

At least 100 billion galaxies visible, each containing at least 100 billion stars. And other galaxies, who knows how many -- forever expanding outward -- that we will never be able to see.

I consider the Big Bang, from which time and space and all the energy and all the forces that govern energy were born, from a point infinitely smaller than an atomic nucleus.

I consider the power of the human mind, science capable of detecting gravity waves generated by supermassive black holes combining zillions of light years away, with instruments measuring the equivalent change in spacetime of a feather falling onto an oil tanker. Unravelling the laws of the infinite cosmos.

And I know there is a God.
 
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Sorry to repeat this one, lol

 
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