Metaphysics of abundance

It is the way it goes! G!d has given couple dozen religions, broken down into a few thousand sects/denominations all so most of us can find the one that personally resonates, finds our connection with the eachness of the allness.

You did, and I shall rejoice and be glad in it. But your universal truth is not mine, nor is it what billions of others resonate with. And mine is the same way...not for everyone, but it inspires, connects, for me. The thought tills my soil to allow bliss to bubble up, it occasionally provides me words to comfort the troubled.

Maybe this is a religion for those biding their time, who like you and I rejected the conventional, until such a time when we are prepared to accept it? Obviously conjecture, but me, I enjoy the scenic overlooks and informational placards, the detours on the highway...
 
Thomas said:
Not really, it doesn't address the questions of metaphysics at all. If one wanted to understand Unity metaphysics, there's nothing here.


Had a look, again, not really metaphysics as I understand it.

I think it's probably because I work to the traditional scholarly definition of what metaphysics is, whereas Unity seems to allow an abundant use of the term to cover just about everything.

In the dictionary, under Trinity you have:
Metaphysical meaning of Trinity
God threefold Being.
Meta. The divine Trinity is known as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Metaphysically we understand these to refer to mind, idea and expression, or thinker, thought and action.

This is not metaphysics, this is a definition of the Trinity.

On the page Unity Metaphysics: 04 The Trinity, your presenter pulls a clever move on his audience by saying Unity uses a lot of the terms used in traditional Christianity, but has moved the idea on ...

Yet a theology graduate reading the Unity definition would point out it actually falls short, it's a New Agey version of the Augustinian analogy of the Trinity as memory, Intellect and Will. Unity's anthropomorphism is a definition that takes the human as the model, and projecting it onto God.


My interpretation is, as the Bible says, God is the sower. In Butch's interpretation, God gives the seeds to man, who decides whether or not to sow them. It's about the 23 minute mark.
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RJM Corbet said:
Imo: interpretations of 'the sower and the seed' and so many other sayings and parables by Jesus, are always going to be interpretations of what Christ said.

It's always going to be: 'In my opinion this is what Jesus actually meant.' But the sayings of Jesus will still be around long after all these 'teachers' are gone.

I've never encountered a human teacher whose wisdom I prefer to that of the Christ. So why not take it straight from the source?
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I haven't read the dictionary. If it contains much of this sort of stuff, I'm not interested in doing so:
Thomas said:
In the dictionary, under Trinity you have:
Metaphysical meaning of Trinity
God threefold Being.
Meta. The divine Trinity is known as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Metaphysically we understand these to refer to mind, idea and expression, or thinker, thought and action.
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@Thomas

Thank you for explaining and enlightening.

I just listened to that one talk and commented on what I got from it believing that by God he meant God and by prayer he meant prayer.

It appears these terms as used by this speaker do not at all mean what simple folks like me take them to mean.

So effectively the talk I heard wasn't the talk I thought I heard, and I would need to read through the Unity dictionary definitions to understand what he really meant.

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But in the end the message I got from him was 'pray constantly and be open to God'.
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I actually feel a bit stupid for being conned.
 
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How anyone could arrive at this definition is quite beyond me:

The divine Trinity is known as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Metaphysically we understand these to refer to mind, idea and expression, or thinker, thought and action.

What utter tosh ...
 
wil said:
It is the way it goes! G!d has given couple dozen religions, broken down into a few thousand sects/denominations ...
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Well lets be clear here, the freedom of religious expression allowed by US law is the primary cause of the few thousand ... the 'metaphysics of abundance' again, the prosperity gospel, or religion as commercial enterprise.

So many US denominations started out as outfits selling bible tracts, it very quickly established itself as a business model.

As for belief/resonance — I have the same beef with Theosophy. In the prelim pages of "The Secret Doctrine" it says: 'The Is No Religion Higher Than Truth', but what Theosophists have stated here on IO is that's no longer the case, now what one chooses to believe take priority over what is to be believed. 'There is no religion higher than my opinion'.

This is why Unity and its like will always be regarded as a 'boutique religion',with accusations of pick-n-mix, smorgasbord, cherry-picking, etc. Its appeal lies in the very fact no-one is obliged to accept what they choose not to — your own views expressed here, as RJM has stated, stand in stark contrast to what Unity actually states.

It's religion without obligation.

wil said:
Maybe this is a religion for those biding their time?
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Or sitting on the fence :rolleyes:

wil said:
but me, I enjoy the scenic overlooks and informational placards, the detours on the highway...
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Oooh, Wil, careful, old chum. Such opens you to accusations of being a spiritual tourist
 
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RJM Corbet said:
I haven't read the dictionary. If it contains much of this sort of stuff, I'm not interested in doing so:
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I know ... this did rather ruffle the hackles, only because the audience was being sold a pup.
 
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wil said:
Now that is hilarious.
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"On the page Unity Metaphysics: 04 The Trinity, your presenter pulls a clever move on his audience by saying Unity uses a lot of the terms used in traditional Christianity, but has moved the idea on ... "(@Thomas)

God doesn't mean God, prayer doesn't mean prayer, Trinity doesn't mean Trinity, Father doesn't mean Father, Son doesn't mean son ...

You can call it hilarious, I call it something else
 
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wil said:
I think the good laugh was the one Mike had when he got paid to paint the old man on that ceiling.
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It's symbolic and even then people understood it as such. Words only go so far trying to express truth. Beyond that symbols come into play.

Deliberate misunderstanding
 
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RJM Corbet said:
The divine Trinity is known as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Metaphysically we understand these to refer to mind, idea and expression, or thinker, thought and action.
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Hindu Texts state God exists in three ways.
He exists in three aspects which compose the entire cosmic phenomena [in my words]:
A) The Void [or the field],
B) the nucleus of every speck of animate & inanimate matter-energy, and,
C) His own (Transcendental) Personage.

A) Brahman,
B) Param-atma,
C) Bhagavan.


In my wording:
There are three steps on the Yoga-Ladder toward self-realisation.

a "brahman" realisation:
I] realisation of 'brahman/nirvana' as omnipresent & behind the rising & falling material elements/energy; and,
II] as the stuff of which a soul is composed of.

b "param-atma" realisation = God's localised life-forse presence in each soul.

c "bhagavan" realisation = God's Absolute Personage, transcendent to the material world.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramatman

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavan
 
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Bhaktajan II said:
Hindu Texts state God exists in three ways.
He exists in three aspects which compose the entire cosmic phenomena [in my words]:
A) The Void [or the field],
B) the nucleus of every speck of animate & inanimate matter-energy, and,
C) His own (Transcendental) Personage.

A) Brahman,
B) Param-atma,
C) Bhagavan.


In my wording:
There are three steps on the Yoga-Ladder toward self-realisation.

a "brahman" realisation:
I] realisation of 'brahman/nirvana' as omnipresent & behind the rising & falling material elements/energy; and,
II] as the stuff of which a soul is composed of.

b "param-atma" realisation = God's localised life-forse presence in each soul.

c "bhagavan" realisation = God's Absolute Personage, transcendent to the material world.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramatman

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavan
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You see, I battle to understand what this stuff really means:

https://www.truthunity.net/rw/god

"God is personal to us when we recognize Him within us as our indwelling life, intelligence, love, and power. There is a difference between a personal God and God personal to us. Since the word personal sometimes leads to misunderstanding, it would probably be better to speak of God individualized in man rather than of God personal to man.

When we identify ourselves with Him as our indwelling Father, He seems to us to be personal; however, it is not in a personal sense, but in the universal identification of ourselves with Him that we come into the God consciousness. The personal is limited. The universal, or God consciousness, is unlimited ...

There is a difference between a personal God and a God personal to us? What do the words mean? What is the intention of it?
 
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We are G!d expressed on earth...

For G!d to work for us G!d must work thru us.

Put the Christ mind in your mind.

Yes, words have meanings, and often more than one meaning. As in the literal parable, and then the underlying story. As in the name of the tribes and then the meaning of the name.

I questioned what was in the MBD, still do, but when I found the dictionary in tjr back of the family bible and saw many of the same definitions...when I stood in line at.the grocery store and picked out a baby name book, and saw John is love...
 
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Christ healed the sick and forgave sin. He gave the Lord's Prayer. Christ is the very essence of God as personal. His whole life and teaching was to demonstrate God as personal.
 
wil said:
Put the Christ mind in your mind.
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But what is the 'Christ mind'? How do you know? Only Christ can show you. Christ may enter under your roof. In response to your prayer. But you can't 'put' it there.
wil said:
For G!d to work for us G!d must work thru us.
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How can Christ work through you if Christ is not first in you? The point is you/Unity are using Christian scripture and terminology. It is your choice to do so.
 
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RJM Corbet said:
But what is the 'Christ mind'? How do you know? Only Christ can show you. Christ may enter under your roof. In response to your prayer. But you can't 'put' it there.

How can Christ work through you if Christ is not first in you? The point is you/Unity are using Christian scripture and terminology. It is your choice to do so.
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What does it mean for "Christ is in you" ? Does it mean you repeat the magic words exactly like they are suppose to be said. Yes, I've taken the Lord Jesus Christ as my savior. But what does that mean other than blind obedience to the authorities in the church? Or idol worshiper words of the Bible with a complete disregard for what they mean? Why do people treat Jesus like their favorite NFL football team? It seems to be fandom and not genuine belief with meaning.
 
There is the seeker whose goal is "to relinquish their existence into nothingness" [aka Brahman] [via karma-yoga]
There is the seeker whose goal is found in "the heart of all living beings" [aka Param-atma] [via jnana-yoga]
There is the seeker whose goal is the Supreme Godhead [aka Bhagavan] [via Bhakti-yoga]


FYI
karma-yoga = the way of endeavors
jnana-yoga = the way of intelligence
Bhakti-yoga = the way of devotion
 
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dfnj2019 said:
What does it mean for "Christ is in you" ?
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Like it says in the video: pray constantly and be open to God? "Behold I stand at the door and knock."
 
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