This needs to be expanded? What Newton would do now, with what we have now? He was interested in alchemyNewton ... was a practitioner of occultism ...
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This needs to be expanded? What Newton would do now, with what we have now? He was interested in alchemyNewton ... was a practitioner of occultism ...
This needs to be expanded? What Newton would do now, with what we have now? He was interested in alchemy
As far as I know the sciences were not divided in Newton's time into chemistry biology, physics etc, as we know them now. It was all grouped together as natural history. Newton was the professor of mathematics at Cambridge, not of physics.Sure, but I was wondering about this: Newton's interest in alchemy, a practice that would have been condemned in the scripture you like to quote, @2ndpillar, had it been known at the time, how does it not disqualify Newton as a support for your views?
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my query)
Sure, but I was wondering about this: Newton's interest in alchemy, a practice that would have been condemned in the scripture you like to quote, @2ndpillar, had it been known at the time, how does it not disqualify Newton as a support for your views?
(Edit: clarify whom I was addressing with
my query)
Whether you are ready or not, it gets you; and there is nothing beyond it, other than being absorbed in the environment.My suggestion would no one will know the day or the hour, but they best be ready to roll.
Whether you are ready or not, it gets you; and there is nothing beyond it, other than being absorbed in the environment.
Christ forgave sinners?People preaching lawlessness, the nailing of one's sins to a cross, the false gospel of grace
Christ forgave sinners?
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 9:1-8&version=KJVSinners are cut off from God, which is punishment in itself. The the angels will gather the "wicked"/"lawless" at the "end of the age", and these "tares" shall be "burned" (Matthew 13:38-40). They can look to the "many" for their justification, but in the end, the "many" face "destruction" (Matthew 7:13). If you were without sin, then you would not have to die. Sin results in death, and all men die (Jeremiah 31:30), even your false prophet Paul and his contemporary followers are dead and buried, supposedly Paul is buried somewhere on the edge of Rome.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 9:1-8&version=KJV
Matthew 9:2-8
“And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee. And, behold, certain of the scribes said within themselves, This man blasphemeth.
And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts? For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk?
But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house. And he arose, and departed to his house. But when the multitudes saw it, they marvelled, and glorified God, which had given such power unto men.”
Yet Christ did forgive sin? All men are sinners. No man is perfect. Only the Christ. Every Catholic Mass begins with confessing that we have sinned, and asking Christ's forgiveness.King David confessed of his sin, and did repentance, was forgiven/healed, yet he faced a harsh judgment, and he eventually died. And if you walk in the path of Yeshua, why is it that you are not able to forgive the sins of your brothers and heal them? Aren't you supposed to be able to do these things and more? Is your faith less than Matthew's, who Yeshua said to, "follow me", and Matthew followed (Matthew 9:9). Yeshua told the young rich man that in order to have life, he must "keep the commandments", and to become "perfect" he must sell his possessions and follow me. Have you kept the commandments as the young man was told, or sold your possessions so you could "follow me"? Is your faith greater than the demons, who "believe", yet knowingly "tremble" (James 2:19). If you were without sin, then you wouldn't tremble at the mention of a flu, and you could quit your insurance plan and save some money and be free.
Till they are alive. You cannot reap after you are dead. Can you?People reap what they sow.
Until a person has a personal contact with the divine. Then the religions and scriptures and rituals become seen as the shell of the nut that protects wisdom down the ages. Humans like to analyse and reduce everything to binary logic. The scriptures prevent that, because they cannot easily be changed and altered by humans as the centuries go by.Till they are alive. You cannot reap after you are dead. Can you?
With death, you are obliterated except for your bodily remains, which as I mentioned above dissolve in the environment.
That is where religions, those who established them, the so-called sons and messengers of God or Allah and the so-called scriptures deceive you.
Thanks, but I still don't quite see where you draw the line. Earlier, you pretty much lumped all Christian churches, as well as Judaism, and pagan Antiquity under the umbrella term of Babel.Newton thought knowledge and understanding came from God, and not the church of Babel, of which he condemned. Newton's understanding came from actually studying the Scriptures and giving them the weight as of coming from God.
I don't think there is anything wrong with alchemy (provided one exercises due care when experimenting with heavy metals - lead poisoning is nasty, I hear). I am interested how you sort it into your worldview, which comes across as highly dualistic. To my understanding, alchemy is part of the western mystery tradition, which you seem to be rejecting as too Babylonian.And what is wrong with alchemy, except that the "church" condemned it?
I don't think there is anything wrong with alchemy (provided one exercises due care when experimenting with heavy metals - lead poisoning is nasty, I hear). I am interested how you sort it into your worldview, which comes across as highly dualistic. To my understanding, alchemy is part of the western mystery tradition, which you seem to be rejecting as too Babylonian.
Just trying to understand out what makes your world view tick, as part of the interfaith vibe of this place.
Newton's investigation into the philosopher's stone, that which is able to change base metal into gold, winded up with him preparing a solution of Sophick (mercury solution). Today, mercury is used in the industrial process of removing gold from base metals. As for having the church condemn someone, that would be a badge of honor, although Galileo Galilei probably wished he hadn't crossed the backward church by writing a fictional book implying the earth was round. Newton thought knowledge and understanding came from God, and not the church of Babel, of which he condemned. Newton's understanding came from actually studying the Scriptures and giving them the weight as of coming from God.