CORONA VIRUS
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If we get 22 million infected with this one, before we find a solution over half a million will die....
Therin lies the difference.
What all the measures hope to achieve is to prevent the healthcare services being overwhelmed by the rate of infections. So policy is either suppress or mitigate.
The policy of common-sense precautions (wash your hands), social distancing (reduce contact) and isolation (reduce cross-infection) hopefully slows the rate of infection which gives healthcare a fighting chance. The more people ignore these guidelines, the more stress they put on the system, even if they themselves are not infected, they might unwittingly infect others.
As the healthcare system becomes overloaded, there are deaths not only from those in the 'at risk' bracket, but those in the system for other reasons, not associated with the virus, who suffer because the system is overstretched, and they die, where previously they might have been treated in time. Then we have the workers themselves who are over-stretched, exhausted, and thus their resistance crumbles, and they start dying, too.
Because people ignore the basic precautions.
I find myself in the 'at risk' camp because I'm over 60 and I've just been identified as having an aneurysm. This was a chance discovered in a voluntary 'lung check' programme looking for early symptoms of cancer (all clear). Having just been referred by my GP to a cardiac specialist, I now hear that all 'routine' exams are on hold to cope with the influx of virus cases. So my appointment, diagnosis and treatment is deferred, and we (me, family, GP) do not know how serious, or not, the condition is. (GP: "In the meantime, should you get a stabbing pain in your chest, dial emergency.")
Scary enough at the best of times, but when I hear that Italy is now no longer intubating the over 60s because they're preserving resources for the below-60s.
The refusal to take precautions is a classic "Am I my brother's keeper?" complaint, because if we truly loved our neighbour, we'd do everything in our power to ease us all through this crisis.
The policy of common-sense precautions (wash your hands), social distancing (reduce contact) and isolation (reduce cross-infection) hopefully slows the rate of infection which gives healthcare a fighting chance. The more people ignore these guidelines, the more stress they put on the system, even if they themselves are not infected, they might unwittingly infect others.
As the healthcare system becomes overloaded, there are deaths not only from those in the 'at risk' bracket, but those in the system for other reasons, not associated with the virus, who suffer because the system is overstretched, and they die, where previously they might have been treated in time. Then we have the workers themselves who are over-stretched, exhausted, and thus their resistance crumbles, and they start dying, too.
Because people ignore the basic precautions.
I find myself in the 'at risk' camp because I'm over 60 and I've just been identified as having an aneurysm. This was a chance discovered in a voluntary 'lung check' programme looking for early symptoms of cancer (all clear). Having just been referred by my GP to a cardiac specialist, I now hear that all 'routine' exams are on hold to cope with the influx of virus cases. So my appointment, diagnosis and treatment is deferred, and we (me, family, GP) do not know how serious, or not, the condition is. (GP: "In the meantime, should you get a stabbing pain in your chest, dial emergency.")
Scary enough at the best of times, but when I hear that Italy is now no longer intubating the over 60s because they're preserving resources for the below-60s.
The refusal to take precautions is a classic "Am I my brother's keeper?" complaint, because if we truly loved our neighbour, we'd do everything in our power to ease us all through this crisis.
Aussie Thoughts
Just my 2 cents
Huh, seem to remember reading something along those lines a while back. Maybe something to it.Ha, apparently they haven't managed to kill off all their beneficial bacteria yet from the overuse of Purell and the like!
Ah, the great RX forgery caper! -
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
Count rising in India, was bound to increase, Corona is not that easy to contain. Indian President was tested (he was with Corona suspects) and he is clean for now. 271 confirmed cases and 4 deaths. Tomorrow, India will observe 'Peoples' curfew' at the behest of the Prime Minister. What is happening in European world? Italy, Spain, France, UK, US, Iran too. Perhaps too clean, too little immunity like that of Amerindians.
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Craz
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And there is this news from Bangladesh:
"Tens of thousands of people gathered in Bangladesh for a mass prayer session on Wednesday, despite fears it posed a risk of spreading the new coronavirus.
Local police chief Tota Miah told AFP news agency that 10,000 Muslims had gathered in Raipur town to pray "healing verses" from the Koran.
But some eyewitnesses told the BBC the figure was closer to 30,000.
A similar religious event in Malaysia in February has been confirmed as the source of more than 500 infections."
Full article at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-51956510
"Tens of thousands of people gathered in Bangladesh for a mass prayer session on Wednesday, despite fears it posed a risk of spreading the new coronavirus.
Local police chief Tota Miah told AFP news agency that 10,000 Muslims had gathered in Raipur town to pray "healing verses" from the Koran.
But some eyewitnesses told the BBC the figure was closer to 30,000.
A similar religious event in Malaysia in February has been confirmed as the source of more than 500 infections."
Full article at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-51956510
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
We have closed nearly all big temples.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
Chaos, Uncertainty, Probability.
Held off 4 hours today, not going to ER, but BP and heart rate wouldn't go down and cardiologist said I should go in. Everybody in masks, covid patients being separated. Almost put me in isolation because they input in my temperature wrong and thought it was high. EKG had some hiccups so they're scheduling CAT scan. I don't want to be here not just cuz I don't want to be here and not just because of exposing myself to more stuff. But I would also like to not be a burden on and already taxed system
The mechanism. I want to drink my tea: the thought moves, the neurons move, the nerves move, the muscles move, the arm moves, etc. But that's the mechanism, not the origin?Chaos, Uncertainty, Probability.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
Hang on, Wil. India 354, 6 deaths, one who was 38, had come from Middle-East.
Lock-down in two states, Punjab and Rajasthan; 75 cities where cases have been detected. All trains, all interstate buses cancelled. Skeletal air-traffic. Remain where you are. We are thinking of extending 'peoples' curfew' in certain areas. Good that the government in taking it very seriously. Not a thing which can be taken lightly.
RMJ, talking of that it is because of what we carry in the box above our neck. But Brahman is not concerned about that. Actually it has no concerns at all, because it does not carry a box above its neck. It has no neck to carry it.
Lock-down in two states, Punjab and Rajasthan; 75 cities where cases have been detected. All trains, all interstate buses cancelled. Skeletal air-traffic. Remain where you are. We are thinking of extending 'peoples' curfew' in certain areas. Good that the government in taking it very seriously. Not a thing which can be taken lightly.
RMJ, talking of that it is because of what we carry in the box above our neck. But Brahman is not concerned about that. Actually it has no concerns at all, because it does not carry a box above its neck. It has no neck to carry it.
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But to be clear I certainly do not feel that corona is God's judgement. It is a natural event. It is exaggerated because of the crowded condition of our 21st century existence. It is spread between countries because we can fly around, etc. Like climate change, it is one of the effects of overpopulation, imo.
What I do mean though, is that in a few weeks corona has totally undercut all our human wisdom and left us helpless and isolated, in spite of our supposed 21st century knowledge and command over the world in which we live. There are things greater than man, that man will never be able to predict or control. Man is like a gnat in the wind compared to the greater powers around him.
I'm not sure what I'm really trying to say here. Humility, perhaps?
What I do mean though, is that in a few weeks corona has totally undercut all our human wisdom and left us helpless and isolated, in spite of our supposed 21st century knowledge and command over the world in which we live. There are things greater than man, that man will never be able to predict or control. Man is like a gnat in the wind compared to the greater powers around him.
I'm not sure what I'm really trying to say here. Humility, perhaps?
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2nd hospital, watching the prep and action protocols in place.
The hospitals have been in there almost empty in the emergency room. I think they're picking hospitals in an area and making them for Corona patients. They came in all excited once, ready to put me in isolation because someone and entered my temperature is too high. And then as I was transported to the second Hospital they were moving a patient out