Finding the Garden of Eden and the City of GOD

Cino said:
Well, the Genesis description (at the source of four rivers, two of them Euphrates and Tigris) already are incompatible with an Out of Africa hypothesis.

Norse legend places the first human couple on a sea shore, not the Anatolian highlands or the African Rift valley. Greek texts are unspecific as to the geography, but mention a plain at the foot of a mountain. Finnic myth has a duck pull up solid earth from the bottom of the sea.

Very divergent points to start out from...
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pretty much everyone has a primeval freshwater sea where alot of the action takes place. okeanos [apsorroos], vourukasha, abzu, neserser.
tafsir traditions say the Ka`bah was fashioned and sent down by God while his Throne was still “upon the waters”. we know exactly where okeanos potamos was. if it is everyones primeval sea then there is alot of archaeology on its shores that should be pretty distinctive and probably mythically huge [worthy of the gods and giants]
the norse have left us with asgard to find. its pretty well described. a huge round [unfinished] earthwork with an odd piece of fill in wall.

peace
 
ShemTov said:
..would you personally be happy if science said they actually found THE garden of eden? would that be a spiritual experience for you?
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How is it a scientific matter?
If somebody claims they have found 'the garden of Eden', what would that mean?
Would it be a geographical place in this world?
Would it mean that we could 'cheat death' and live forever in paradise?

I wouldn't believe it. It goes against the whole point of existence :)
 
muhammad_isa said:
How is it a scientific matter?
If somebody claims they have found 'the garden of Eden', what would that mean?
Would it be a geographical place in this world?
Would it mean that we could 'cheat death' and live forever in paradise?

I wouldn't believe it. It goes against the whole point of existence :)
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i think its just suppose to make us all happy and peaceful. the global ummah. so we all know why we worship. so we all understand we are brothers.

you might not believe it indivually but i guess with a religious hierarchy the "danger" is that its personally beneficial for some upper member of it to support it. them the followers do too without question.
 
Happiness and peace come from many factors, but an archaeological find seems like an unlikely candidate as a universal cause for happiness&peace, to me at least.
 
Cino said:
Happiness and peace come from many factors, but an archaeological find seems like an unlikely candidate as a universal cause for happiness&peace, to me at least.
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maybe respect and understanding might lead to peace and happiness. if the founders of islam left a sign that leads to a spot and the founders of judaism left a sign to the exact same spot then what are the christians going to say.
the spot was calculated in about 1520 i think when the ottomans had both jerusalem and meeca. there is a bronze marker on the ground. the reason for it being there has been lost. it has the star of david and the moslem moon on it.

peace
 
Well I don't know perhaps the drift here is that if we could find the original Garden of Eden that would entirely justify Genesis, and therefore all the rest of the Bible as historical fact and so that would solve all the issues, because all we need to do is exactly what the now historically justified Bible tells us to do? Cool, no need for any further thought or question or debate. It's comforting, isn't it?
 
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No archaeology obviously. So what will we really be looking for?
 
RJM Corbet said:
No archaeology obviously. So what will we really be looking for?
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well it was a walled garden. the worst thing that may have happened to it was a flood but whatever the case it would still be there. its a pretty big thing. probably a little bigger than might normally be noticeable. it will have a very clear function and motivation.
 
RJM Corbet said:
Well I don't know perhaps the drift here is that if we could find the original Garden of Eden that would entirely justify Genesis
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Is it a place .. or is it a metaphorical state to do with sins?
If it IS a place, finding it would not magically transform the state of mankind,
would it? :)

If you refer to "Allah's throne", then it might be some kind of gate
that we can't physically observe etc.
I suppose it depends on your definition of 'place'.

I know what 'place' I would like to end up after death.
 
muhammad_isa said:
I know what 'place' I would like to end up after death.
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"...the habitation of righteous, Jewish and non-Jewish, immortal souls, known as the "higher Gan Eden". It has three fire-walls of different colors around it. In Rev. xxii. 2 et seq. paradise is a city, down the street of which a river, rising under the throne of God, flows."

a condo here?
 
Namaste Jesus said:
Eden has a physical presence in a spiritual sense and spiritual presence in a physical sense. Hindu Pandit once told me that.
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until you added the hindu part i assumed it was what roy andrews said to the american museum of natural history after he blew all their money looking for eden in the gobi after he said he found it.

i think you should imagine the most improbable physical thing you can imagine.
 
That was part of a larger discussion the Pandit and I were having regarding perceptions in the flesh. Sort of what we see vs what our soul sees.
 
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i would hope GOD would make HIMSELF understood by the simplest of men not only those that think in terms of perceptions of the flesh. at one point in time it was clear to the simplest of men why they worshipped. they could see it and touch it and eat it and it was magnificent. GOD did amazing things and there was no way we were ever going to know it again until we got up high enough [like 50km up]. it says that in all the books from yima on. the city of GOD was huge. the garden is pretty big but the city of GOD will make us understand what its all about.

you might hate the very idea but i hope that you keep an open mind
they are wrong in associating a culture but they are children like adam and eve.... they are just starting to see the BIG picture.
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the damascus gate is 2000 stades from the city of GOD and the Kaaba is 3000. they point right at it. both of them. they are the guides they were supposed to be.

its all perfectly preserved. never been lived on again. pristine. as GOD no doubt intended. i do not agree with this link either but here is some science and mythology.

got to go back to work. government opens again. got to go make useless decisions.

peace
 
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ShemTov said:
the damascus gate is 2000 stades from the city of GOD and the Kaaba is 3000. they point right at it. both of them. they are the guides they were supposed to be.

its all perfectly preserved. never been lived on again. pristine. as GOD no doubt intended
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Would it not therefore be visible on a satellite photo?
 
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ShemTov said:
i would hope GOD would make HIMSELF understood by the simplest of men not only those that think in terms of perceptions of the flesh.
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Perception is everything. Then as now, God has always made himself known to the simplest of men. Those with eyes to see and ears to hear, as the Bible puts it. Just that in modern times many have become too caught up in their earthly existence and the traditions of man to see it. Only recognizing what exists for them in the flesh and not what their spirit perceives.
ShemTov said:
got to go back to work. government opens again. got to go make useless decisions.
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Well there you go. :)
 
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