Is freewill real or just something we invented it ?

Are there different types of free will?

My head has a will, the thoughts and plans.

My heart has a will, emotions, relationships.

How do they relate? Are there even more?
 
Nope better we kept ourselves in tribes era, copying G-d the wrong way when we as A society are children we are small civilization in this vast space. And we still kill and start wars like nazi's did in this modern age. Were in the wrong path social and technological were taking jobs away from our society. Were in A horrible time when people can't identify the viruses growing and worst social differences seperate us. Everything is wrong and kings and kingdoms are the root of all this. it is G-d who is leader not us, never G-d wanted this for us he wanted us in the garden protected and free in it.
 
Here the way is decision between good and evil. Our mind is the center of all our decision not the heart and you can be emotional but let not your decison be in your heart because it's organ that only works as A pump.
 
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I know some will say use your heart because there is good in your heart, but be a child in your mind because the kigdom of heaven children are the greatest up there.
 
Don't be logical in your mind or math I use math too but use your inteligence but as A child and then use your decision for good. Here we are all been decieve the world educates us as servants to work for the rich and the elites. Our place is not to ask questions but remember no kingdom was needed in the beggining because G-d gave us part of his kingdom and we are all princes in it and we are giving authority in love. No we were in the garden and we were innocent that innocence was Adam and Eve childlike self and purity today were all brainwashed by soeciety to be richa nd powerful and to be acceptable we must reject that goodness and purity he so loved us and putted inside us.
 
So to explain it are there different types of freewill for us all nope only the one by choice or decision to do good or evil. Because we are only in that law, mosaic law and it show A base and that base is trust in the lord way of love and good. But when history and modern civilizations made thier own laws and thier culture the understanding of law from their point of view.

Thus babylon and the influence of babylon is in all cultures and we do not understand yet all of this. But still our base is g-d who gave us A law based on good and evil, everything changed the point of view but still G-d wants us to do good. The evil exist but remember only G-d is judge and we were never meant to judge any of those things.
 
Base ourselves in G-d way of love and put things in G-d's hand he will fomr us and gave us strentgh and thur our experience put all that in abse of Jesus love and his ways.
 
Nope tribal speak is speaking in Hebrew and farsi they speak like the old days.
 
Given everything we come to realize, and including prophecy, as we read in the Bible,
and such as we've discussed in the Matrix thread;
how can we believe there is really free will?
With respect also, to predetermination?

It seems there is, but everything we do in time and space is already a known. Apart from time.
 
Geo said:
Given everything we come to realize, and including prophecy, as we read in the Bible,
and such as we've discussed in the Matrix thread;
how can we believe there is really free will?
With respect also, to predetermination?

It seems there is, but everything we do in time and space is already a known. Apart from time.
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Knowing what the choice will be, and designing a future that enables those choices, does not take away the fact we had that choice.

It just means we are not the smartest tool on the bench. :D;)

Regards Tony
 
Yes. They have shows about that on T.V.

"Americas Most Shocking", I believe?

Even in our daily News.
Current local news is about the guy who went in to a Subway to rob it, with a gun.
He was shot and killed by a store employee.
If only he knew. True?

Here's a point. The Lord knows the direction of humanity, including the consequences and results involving climate change, and we are given a word about our future.

We think we are wise though.

Perhaps lets talk about "the sin of the world", though. Which John said Jesus the Messiah came to atone for.
 
Do whatever, the world will go its way. You are not going to change it in any way.
Prophecies and free-will are old superstitions. Forget them in 21st Century.
 
Freewill and choice is up to you the path you made is for you to change it don't think your destined to lose or be poor you cna be great like the lord and he's got A plan for you you can put on your life.
 
This is the point only God who is creator of good and evil of light and darkness is who moves it all, we were never meant to understand. What would of happen if he would of not put the tree of good and evil and would of never enter this world. We would of being like children still with our envelope of innocence and be in front of God protected by him ?

Yes, our purpose was not good or evil and by human fault we felled. If the tree was not their we would of fallen one will ask ? Nope, everything has plan and God never wanted man in this position what was the purpose of the tree afterwards ? if he would never eaten of it would of other animals eat of it and not man ? or later remove as time passed ? We will never know ? What was really the purpose just as A test of not to be eaten and alter remove by God ?

But still we know God said that man was like him and the angels that knoweth good and evil ! And still we realize the devil had freewill before us and he fell ! But we know that in our error of Adam we can decide not like the devil but do good in the mistake and rely on God's effort and not our owns and put things in God's hands. Our destiny can change and move but some of you question we cannot escape him or his destiny he saved for us. The question do you want the destiny he did not prepare and leave us in possibility of A million to one what will happen and man just be thrown in space and let him decide ? What will be the outcome if you can plan everything since your born from A baby and turn into an adult that instance and God gave you all the power of the future and destiny you wanted ? you will know what you know and you will make A decision better ?

No, this why it is better that inside this world we live we can live in many possibilities and be saved by grace and baptized from sin into salvation and put love into salvation ! We would not of found our destiny if we could decide our destiny in that moment from baby to adult in space. He put us in Eden to be protected and choose not to eat the tree of good and evil and let use have choice ! If we didn't eat we will be perfect and without sin ! But we felled and he gave A second chance in Jesus and glad that even those scientist believe if they had possibility to be free into choosing their future our possibilities from predestination would make their sum of equations and free from God sovereign and have freewill ?

You have freewill protected and relying in God's effort and his sovereign that you are not in space making decision but here in the world where in his care of law of Moses and law of genesis. They would not of eating the fruit they will live in the probabilities in those rules and sovereign of G-d's law and love. Be under his guidance and be saved. Knowing we can change those probabilities and change our destiny from being A shoe salesman and into lawyer or governor of A state and reach our max and be what we want !

Moses chaneg those probabilities and also Huldah in her prophecy, G-d could reverse those action make us forget it and then done but he let those error stay and destiny was changed seeing he does not make it all effect in a sense of our errors do not ruin our future and in error the Eden will return and heaven on earth and we will be saved despite our errors in Jesus. God could of just erase us and no one will know of our existence and done but he lets us know and see those error have existed and predestiantion can change and destiny and sum of those variables and one million in one probablities can change and anything is possible. Let us do good and make knowing of good and evil in God's favor and find our purpose in life and pray to him.

See he made probablities and the sense some people say that one can make decision and really can't change their future or predestiantion just fear and laziness that future can change and just like Moses and Huldah made mistake know we can make success into our favor and do good and change our future with him and play ahrd abll i life and into all the promblems life does go thru and breakthru it all and not passive christian that rolls over and breaks the mold life give and make good in life and saves his family.

Kicks and screams and changes his future his predestiantion and not this that with God you can't change your future or predestiantion I see you can't change your future idea and you do not understand it still ! This why you do not understand how freewill works in God's favor and his plan of God. But still stuck with the laws of modern world and liberalism USA faces ! You have freedom to choose and better under God's wing and not in space where psycologist and scientist say they don't get to choose and if they choose they would make more errors and wouldn't recognize them !
 
Just to make A recap everyone from the first to remembering the last posts that were done but we have to see what hebrew say when using those words of "free" and choice and know the whole area is also tied to the slaves system Judean mosaic law applies people. Did you know their is A law that saw if A slave from another country comes to Israel he is free under the law of moses and musn't be return to his country to be slave ? He can be free forever

Understand our freedom did exist ! And existed in Heaven when Lucifer rebbeled, truly freewill exist in the spectrum of decision but the concept of the past, present, and future makes us think freewill doesn't exist because everything God's see's and foresaws decided everything for us. Nope people just like their are sciences explaining our existence their is other realms of existence of aliens, spirits and time that our thinking does not know and exist God created it becuase he is above it all but paths that exist and ways that exist in those ways explain that freedom exist probablility exist and Lucifer is one that's he was perfect in every sense we do knot know and yet he reblled and proves freewill myth is not myth and Ray I copy something from him. Still were just the tip of the iceberg in freewill and consciousness and existing explaining that what we percieve in our brains and eyes is not how freewil is exist by God and he gives us choice to do good and evil people don't understand it.


Because they want to control the base of it and with words grab their destiny and say like scientist they cannot really choose because their future was chosen for them and everything is planned ? Not true Moses and Hulda and Elijah changed the future of the world with thier decision can we who are in this choosing of good and evil also change the destiny of this world and do good and not the same mistakes as them ? Yes, we can can Jesus do it ? He did change our destiny all together.



No, people you just begginign to enter the tip of freewill as we speak we have the verses and in greek mean different things and in hebrew mean different things. But how in the universe rules are different and no we are bound becuase their Is more to God he is not showing we know him as the God of before, today and tomorrow are thier more time measurments in the universe ? Yes, Do angels, aliens, and other beings that exist have different counting than we do ? yes, understand God is beyond destiny and he gives us that to be measure by time like we know it now but there is more ways to count time from angel perspective, alien perspective, and above all from God's perpsective for he is has not limits and he has counting system different from us.
 
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davidsheep88 said:
Freewill is it based from God's letting people to choose to love him or not ? He let us choose our destiny can change from that ? Dont' go too far people he onlys wants us to choose either to be freed by him from sin thru Jesus and be baptized simple as that and not to choose to do evil simple people. Does freedom exist outside of our science and counting time and counting destiny and God can make it happen ? Yes he can he can do it all for he is God and only God judges God ! We cannot go beyond that but he can craete it people Don't rely on your own efforts in yoru decison but pray and rely on his and he will unchange your destiny to youd dream of saving your family to be rich man in god's way and be the thing you want he put in your heart to free in freewill in his love he gaves us life to choose and enjoy this magnifecent thing called life and live it with all your might and feelings.


Choose God above it all and put him first he will change your ways and find your dream come reality and really be all the things you can be !
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I believe that this rightly would be characterized as preaching/proselytizing. I don’t believe that is the sort of thing that the forum rules encourage, but I am sure @RJM will correct me if I am wrong.
 
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