Is Islam peaceful and a good religion for everyone ?

@Thomas

There is no concept of "original sin" in Islam.
Babies are born in total innocence, and it is their life experiences which
corrupt their nature.

Almighty God forgave Adam & Eve, and due to the fact that they had become
"like God" i.e. knowing, they then had to "remember God" daily in order
to protect themselves from satan / desire / evil.
 
@Thomas

There is no concept of "original sin" in Islam.
Babies are born in total innocence, and it is their life experiences which
corrupt their nature.

Almighty God forgave Adam & Eve, and due to the fact that they had become
"like God" i.e. knowing, they then had to "remember God" daily in order
to protect themselves from satan / desire / evil.
I see original sin derived from Adam as Spirit incarnate in nature and so, for example, required to take other natural life in order to sustain his own -- even just by breathing.

We are imperfect by nature.

It is because man is both nature and Spirit that he has knowledge of good and evil. 'The Fall' was the original descent of Spirit into the dimension of nature.
 
Christ as the new Adam absolves man of original sin and by the final blood sacrifice of Himself on the cross offers his own body and blood in the Eucharist.
 
That's not Islam though, is it :)
No it's just what I think. It's my own personal belief. The Quran says:

They say: 'The All-merciful has taken unto himself a son.' You have indeed advanced something hideous! The heavens are wellnigh rent of it and the earth split asunder, and the mountains well nigh fall down crashing for that they have attributed to the All-merciful a son; and it behoves not the All-merciful to take a son.

Of course I have no problem with a person who wants to think that. The problem would be with a person insisting I too have to believe it. That's all I'm saying?
 
No it's just what I think. It's my own personal belief. The Quran says:
They say: 'The All-merciful has taken unto himself a son.' You have indeed advanced something hideous..

What has that got to do with babies being born in total innocence?
Are you sure you are not just trying to divert attention away from the topic?

What about:

2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

- Matthew 18 -

What has sin got to do with little children? i.e. original sin
Nothing, as far as I can see.
 
What has that got to do with babies being born in total innocence?
Are you sure you are not just trying to divert attention away from the topic?

What about:

2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

- Matthew 18 -

What has sin got to do with little children? i.e. original sin
Nothing, as far as I can see.
What did I say that you don't like?
 
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Well neither 'God' nor "Messiah' are names, in that sense, one could say both are categories.
Chewbacca is a wookie / the wookie.
The point is, Messiah and God are incongruous terms. Call them categories if it pleases you, l see no relevance in your objection.
Cavilling is anti-debate.

Yes, we have those too! :) The Litany of the Holy Name of Jesus, for example.
Rightio, and the relevance to Messiah and God being irreconcilable terms?

D'you think so? Perhaps if you understood the context better. Suffice to say we don't.
Chew chew chewy chewbacca wacca.

It's a pity you can hold 'apologists' in such contempt, I'm sure that does not apply to defenders of your own faith. As you say, it's indicative of an ideology "wherein everything in your narrow space is the way you see it ... It's self perpetuating small mindedness ... just flame."
Your words, not mine. ;)
I notice you're quoting my response to a very abusive individual and so you take on his sin. Be patient and it will bear fruit eventually.
I am not at all being bigoted. I was, when l remarked about ants and a crack in a brick wall, reacting to your own bigoted words elsewhere on another subforum. A scathing personal attack you made with no basis against one of our heroes, when he was actually a great man, and you were just making stuff up just like that.
So no, l'm not at all bigoted. Christianity is teeming with apologists that will conflate Messiah with God, and they have no basis for saying so because the terms are incongruous. It is narrowminded to persist in that view whilst ignoring my objections.

Have you countered my objections? No.
Do you persist in denying my view? Yes.
Do you add an ad hominem? Yes.

So who is better, you or i?
 
I see original sin derived from Adam as Spirit incarnate in nature and so, for example, required to take other natural life in order to sustain his own -- even just by breathing.

We are imperfect by nature.

It is because man is both nature and Spirit that he has knowledge of good and evil. 'The Fall' was the original descent of Spirit into the dimension of nature.
Christ as the new Adam absolves man of original sin and by the final blood sacrifice of Himself on the cross offers his own body and blood in the Eucharist.

Whut? Imagine somebody tipsy in a beer garden saying that. It just emphasises the lack of coherence. I mean, how do you connect original sin with Adam as Spirit and why would adam be spirit?
 
Chew chew chewy chewbacca wacca.

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What?? o_O I didn't quite catch that.
 
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What?? o_O I didn't quite catch that.

It's the Wookie Defence. If you find yourself in court and can't afford a lawyer, and the plaintiff's lawyer is sending you to sleep, it helps to point out that none of it matters to the case, seeing that Chewbacca is a Wookie.
 
Whut? Imagine somebody tipsy in a beer garden saying that. It just emphasises the lack of coherence. I mean, how do you connect original sin with Adam as Spirit and why would adam be spirit?
Bites tongue ...
 
Bites tongue ...
Bite away. Or explain exactly what you meant by:

I see original sin derived from Adam as Spirit incarnate in nature and so, for example, required to take other natural life in order to sustain his own -- even just by breathing.
We are imperfect by nature.
It is because man is both nature and Spirit that he has knowledge of good and evil. 'The Fall' was the original descent of Spirit into the dimension of nature.
Christ as the new Adam absolves man of original sin and by the final blood sacrifice of Himself on the cross offers his own body and blood in the Eucharist.



Because let me assure you l genuinely haven't a clue what you meant.
Do we need a genius IQ and a few years' study of cryptographic quantum christology to get to heaven these days? Why is your theology so complex? Please simplify ... by the way l'm giving you great leeway there by assuming the quoted text actually had a meaning.

I swear it is word spaghetti from where l'm sat.
Maybe someone else can explain what it meant, and so show that l'm just dumb and can't grasp your statement, not that the statement was just a jumble?
 
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Because let me assure you l genuinely haven't a clue what you meant.
Do we need a genius IQ and a few years' study of cryptographic quantum christology to get to heaven these days? Why is your theology so complex? Please simplify ...
Fine: in response to this from you on separate unrelated thread:
https://www.interfaith.org/community/threads/19707/#18

Contrast that with the stuff about a spirit that needs to feed on souls in this epoch and that's why babies are born sinful
I said the story of Adam represents the first descent of Spirit into the dimension of nature, and the fact of man being a natural (animal) creature means man has to live as a natural creature, which means he has to take life in order to sustain his own. Which I (personally) believe is what original sin means. It is the Spirit part of natural man that gives him knowledge of good and evil. An animal does not have that knowledge.

Nothing about little babies, bless em’.
 
Fine: in response to this from you on separate unrelated thread:
https://www.interfaith.org/community/threads/19707/#18


I said the story of Adam represents the first descent of Spirit into the dimension of nature, and the fact of man being a natural (animal) creature means man has to live as a natural creature, which means he has to take life in order to sustain his own. Which I (personally) believe is what original sin means. It is the Spirit part of natural man that gives him knowledge of good and evil. An animal does not have that knowledge.

Nothing about little babies, bless em’.

Thank you i think i'm starting to get it now. Peace!
 
Maybe that's why the other guy, with wolf in his name, thought having any physicality in the afterlife would be bad, Because he saw it as still bearing this "sin".

Anyway, l think l agree that we are here as a result of bad. I don't know exactly what we are taught. In fact l don't even know if we believe Eve did anything wrong.

It was definitely a wrong that happened in heaven, that got us here onto earth. But it was ultimately just a foil for us to know God. A sort of plot within a plot, the larger plot being that we are to know God.
 
Call them categories if it pleases you, l see no relevance in your objection.
The relevance is Jesus Christ is the Messiah and God; man and God.

I notice you're quoting my response to a very abusive individual and so you take on his sin.
No, I was holding a mirror to yourself, that's all. Your comment I was responding to was similarly bigoted and abusive.

Christianity is teeming with apologists that will conflate Messiah with God...
Their error, and then a case of the blind leading the blind.

It is narrowminded to persist in that view whilst ignoring my objections.
I'm not insisting in that view. I'm saying the objection is erroneous.
 
What does that mean?
Do you eat to live? With each breath you inhale tiny living creatures in the air; every time you drink city water, it has been 'purified' of tiny living creatures. The apple you eat is washed. You boil your cabbage. Do you watch every step you walk, in case you crush a tiny beetle? Do you allow rats to share your home? For the lion to live, the zebra has to die.
 
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