Why is it So?

RJM Corbet said:
All good. But losing the divine warbling nightingale just for now: what is Baha'i religion, actually? These are genuine questions, not meant in any sarcastic or testing way ...
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In a nutshell it is all things made new.

"... The whole earth,' writes Bahá'u'lláh, 'is now in a state of pregnancy. The day is approaching when it will have yielded its noblest fruits, when from it will have sprung forth the loftiest trees, the most enchanting blossoms, the most heavenly blessings. Immeasurably exalted is the breeze that wafteth from the garment of thy Lord, the Glorified! For lo, it hath breathed its fragrance and made all things new! Well is it with them that comprehend...'"

Sorry, off to work.

Regards Tony
 
RJM Corbet said:
Faith offers peace of mind: if nothing else, you get that much?
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Peace of mind to me is also relative, in fact all virtue is relative to our state of mind. I know of what you offer and it is God we trust, it is in God we find peace of mind.

I see in this world all things are in either progress or decline. If it is in a state of ebb, it will not last.

In God we trust. Now starting work :) have a great day

Regards Tony
 
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Tone Bristow-Stagg said:
My comprehension of the English language is not the best, soit seems I did not communicate that well.
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I think it is what you're saying, not how you're saying it, that I disagree with.

My meaning was that I do not see the vast majority of people make their choices in the knowledge that it is a self based action, they do not do it on purpose, nature and nurture have supplied us all with our vision of truth, a truth which is relative to our experiences and education we have had in life.
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I agree that we seldom realize the full story about our choices.

But this is not about choices, I think. You claim to have seen absolute truth. Would that truth not answer your question, why so few accept it, to your complete satisfaction? If it doesn't answer your question, how are you sure it is not another relative truth, nervously dependent on what others think about it?
 
Cino said:
I think it is what you're saying, not how you're saying it, that I disagree with.



I agree that we seldom realize the full story about our choices.

But this is not about choices, I think. You claim to have seen absolute truth. Would that truth not answer your question, why so few accept it, to your complete satisfaction? If it doesn't answer your question, how are you sure it is not another relative truth, nervously dependent on what others think about it?
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Personally I see the answers are given. I am bur a man, how can I see absolute truth.

I can only acknowledge that God has given it to us.

Regards Tony
 
Thomas said:
My issue with the Baha'i teaching, I suppose, is that it's dependent on prior tradition.

You point out the problems, but I don't see solutions ...
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That is a fair enough observation. All Faith is built upon the previous Messages, it carries forward the fundamental spiritual truths. It is the laws and rituals that are renewed.

The spiritual foundation is but one God.

There has been many solutions given, where would we start? The first point may be that we are but one human race on one planet.

Regards Tony
 
Tone Bristow-Stagg said:
That is a fair enough observation. All Faith is built upon the previous Messages, it carries forward the fundamental spiritual truths. It is the laws and rituals that are renewed.
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Contextually, yes.

Tone Bristow-Stagg said:
The spiritual foundation is but one God.
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True.

Tone Bristow-Stagg said:
There has been many solutions given, where would we start? The first point may be that we are but one human race on one planet.
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Indeed. I would put God first, but I'm assuming that's a given.
 
Tone Bristow-Stagg said:
Personally I see the answers are given. I am bur a man, how can I see absolute truth.

I can only acknowledge that God has given it to us.
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I understand. What I'm asking is, is your acknowledgment not between you and God? Why does it require seeking assent from a third party, other people?

(This is the mystic in me asking. I'm aware that other modes of responding to this question exist, and do not presume to question your sincerity - yet, your mode seems to require you questioning mine, wondering aloud why not everyone shares your grasp of the truth)
 
Thomas said:
Indeed. I would put God first, but I'm assuming that's a given.
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That is indeed the total reality.

As a child my father was in the Australian Air Force and was posted to Malaysia in 1963 and we stayed to 1966. So I assume my Father as a radio technician was most likely working on jets returning from the Vietnam conflict.

My life as a child was interesting, my first years of school from grade 1 to 2 were in those years and we had armed guards on the bus at times, their were violent riots in penang and I could never figure out why I was not encouraged to play with the local children. The various religious rituals and all the Temples of all Faiths we visited, laid my foundation in later life, where being raised as a Christain I also saw many other faiths also had faith in God or many God's. So it never resonated with me that God was defined only in One Faith. I always consider if their was a God, that God was found in all things, all Faiths.

So to me the reality that there is only One God, answers the OP. It is actually why I embraced the Message given by Baha'u'llah, as it speaks of this Oneness with clarity, not bound by the doctrines we have built from past conflict of faith.

It gives meaning to verses in the Bible that Jesus Christ could not clarify, as the world was not ready to embrace its oneness.

Many sheep I have that are not of this fold, but there will be one fold and one shepherd and I see that is the One God. Then Jesus gives us the parable of the vineyard, the history of faith and tells us in verse16, "So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen." That to me says that those of all the fromer faiths, those that had the vineyard wanted more payment than those that have embraced the Latest Faith. Yet we are all servants of the One God, we were all called to the vineyard throughout the history of humanity.

There are many passages in the Bible that show us how all Faith finds its oneness in Christ, the Message shows us how to become One. To me that Oneness is found in all God given Messages.

Regards Tony
 
Cino said:
I understand. What I'm asking is, is your acknowledgment not between you and God? Why does it require seeking assent from a third party, other people?

(This is the mystic in me asking. I'm aware that other modes of responding to this question exist, and do not presume to question your sincerity - yet, your mode seems to require you questioning mine, wondering aloud why not everyone shares your grasp of the truth)
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I think I heard you this time, maybe I am not listening to you, that is a fault I have.

Yes ultimately Faith is between God and the servant and needs no other 3rd party assent.

So the quandary, why do we talk faith! That is because God asks that of us. To embrace the Oneness we have in God, we as a human race must share what God has given us. As animal our tenancy is survival of the fittest, with God it is survival of all creation.

It is only in God that we can find our oneness.

Baha'u'llah has said if Faith can not bring this about, then we would be best without faith. So we are left with the question, if Faith can not achieve this oneness, what can? Many now turn to science and the Material world.

Regards Tony
 
Tone Bristow-Stagg said:
So we are left with the question, if Faith can not achieve this oneness, what can? Many now turn to science and the Material world.
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What is oneness to you? Uniformity of expression? Or singleness of purpose? The monad of consciousnos becoming aware of itself ? Or the interconnectedness of all causal phenomena? Being whole and hale?

All of these different things I listed are aspects of oneness. But they are many, and they are different from each other.

Is oneness something we need to create, or something we can find to be already the case?
 
Cino said:
What is oneness to you? Uniformity of expression? Or singleness of purpose? The monad of consciousnos becoming aware of itself ? Or the interconnectedness of all causal phenomena? Being whole and hale?

All of these different things I listed are aspects of oneness. But they are many, and they are different from each other.

Is oneness something we need to create, or something we can find to be already the case?
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Oneness to me is a Unity in Diversity.

That to me is a recognition that we all are all One human race that have all been brought forth from the same source. No matter how you see that happens spiritually, materially we are born into this world. No human is to be preferred above another, all deserve the same chances in life, all deserve a fair go.

We should all strive to be interconnected in mind and soul in the aim of finding our higher purpose, to become more than the animal we share this planet with.

Regards Tony
 
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