Christian Answers to Muslim Questions

[powessy]

Maybe we see the same thing in different frames of references.

Pure white light is all the wavelengths. These wavelengths are many but one with the light.

For the colours to be seen there is refraction through a prism, the Messenger in this Matrix.

We have to remove the veil of names that is on that prism, look back through the colour we perceive and see the white light (oneness)

Is that similar to your experience?

Regards Tony

gods mind is white, (something). I have struggled with this thought so many times as they try to explain this to me. There are minds out there that I call nothing, These minds consumed all the universes and time except for gods mind. When nothing found gods mind they all entered into it to figure him out, they wanted to know how he was still something when nothing else existed.

Once nothing entered into gods mind there remained no things outside of his mind, he was then able to teach them how to become something again.

gods first and his biggest thought was something but a new thought emerged to understand nothing. To understand nothing a new thought formed (black, absolute nothingness) the thought differentiated nothing from absolute nothing telling him these minds were still something.

Gods thought of absolute nothing helped in allowing minds to become something again to become something all the time. This understanding also forged the timelines and dimensions.

The matrix or ( myself) as I call it, it is ancient technology that was created to help minds figure themselves out. Myself teaches us about ourselves but exists in a timeline that is hard to find even for me, my interaction with myself has been slow and difficult.

The prism is what I see when I look at the effects of the matrix on the five timelines. It divides our time amongst a 5 x 5 matrix within the veil. The names of those that are this prism are part of myself, I am trying to figure each of them out all the time.

So many thoughts can have time here about how this is done, you have to be able to see it to understand it.

powessy

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

gods mind is white, (something). I have struggled with this thought so many times as they try to explain this to me. There are minds out there that I call nothing, These minds consumed all the universes and time except for gods mind. When nothing found gods mind they all entered into it to figure him out, they wanted to know how he was still something when nothing else existed.

Once nothing entered into gods mind there remained no things outside of his mind, he was then able to teach them how to become something again.

gods first and his biggest thought was something but a new thought emerged to understand nothing. To understand nothing a new thought formed (black, absolute nothingness) the thought differentiated nothing from absolute nothing telling him these minds were still something.

Gods thought of absolute nothing helped in allowing minds to become something again to become something all the time. This understanding also forged the timelines and dimensions.

The matrix or ( myself) as I call it, it is ancient technology that was created to help minds figure themselves out. Myself teaches us about ourselves but exists in a timeline that is hard to find even for me, my interaction with myself has been slow and difficult.

The prism is what I see when I look at the effects of the matrix on the five timelines. It divides our time amongst a 5 x 5 matrix within the veil. The names of those that are this prism are part of myself, I am trying to figure each of them out all the time.

So many thoughts can have time here about how this is done, you have to be able to see it to understand it.

powessy

I personally offer first we must "see" the Messenger, before we have any chance to direct our thoughts into worthwhile contemplation.

Without that direction, we are a product of our own imagination and of the collective mind of man.

Regards Tony

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

This can probably be arrived at by performing enough manipulation and cherry-picking. But everyone is entitled to their opinion about Bible interpretations. It's gone on forever, and will continue to forever. Imo everyone likes to cherry-pick the Bible out of context to justify what they support. It's nothing new.
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Sure one can choose to see it in that way. Yet it stands ro reason that as Islam ruled over, has places of worship in Isreal and as such, is now part of the Holy land for eternity, that Islam was also part of God's plan and was foretold in the Bible, as are all events.

The other consideration is that history was already written in scriptures, thus also indicating to us the timeleness of the Messengers. So we could learn from History by looking at prophecies on a global scale, not trying to limit to exclusive memberships of single faith families.

Who else but God could have known that Islam lasted to the year AH1260? That Muhammad and Ali, the two witnesses, Muhammad the first Trumpet blast, would be the two bodies laying in the street, because Islam broke the Covernant and the empire of Islam became the Beast as described in Revelation, with 7 kingdoms and 10 rulers? All recorded in the Bible.

Regards Tony

 

[powessy]

I personally offer first we must "see" the Messenger, before we have any chance to direct our thoughts into worthwhile contemplation.

Without that direction, we are a product of our own imagination and of the collective mind of man.

Regards Tony

If all the messengers tell the same story even for their time, why do we need the messenger? Does the message from the messengers evolve so we can understand the message? I am confused, 11 messengers, 11 time periods and yet we have not fully understood their message, why will this next messenger be different and our understanding of the message?

I am sorry for the questions, I just understand minds and how they teach us things. I have been on this path with them for 8 years and still find myself unraveling hundreds of thoughts all packed away within them.

The best way to understand anything from them is to know nothing at all, understand this and you will figure everything out your trying to understand.

Thank you for giving your time.

Powessy

 

[powessy]

Baha'u'llah explains this in detail in the Kitab-i-iqan and many other tablets. Yes the Messengers are fully aware of all gone before and what will be, that is why even when they are uneducated, They can quote any past scriptures and foretell of the future.

The Messengers each bring a new Message, they give more stories and bring the law suited to the age the Message is destined to last.

Each of the stories have a Material outward meaning, yet there are many hidden meanings and all those meanings they could explain. They reveal the word only to the extent of the capacity of humanity in that age. There are rare people in each age that have a greater capacity, they are usually the first to accept the Messengers and become the names remembered through history. Many give their lives so the new Born faith can live, the true martyr's.

I will put a couple of quoted behind spoilers.

Spoiler

"It is evident unto thee that the Birds of Heaven and Doves of Eternity speak a twofold language. One language, the outward language, is devoid of allusions, is unconcealed and unveiled; that it may be a guiding lamp and a beaconing light whereby wayfarers may attain the heights of holiness, and seekers may advance into the realm of eternal reunion. Such are the unveiled traditions and the evident verses already mentioned. The other language is veiled and concealed, so that whatever lieth hidden in the heart of the malevolent may be made manifest and their innermost being be disclosed. Thus hath Sadiq, son of Muhammad, spoken: "God verily will test them and sift them." This is the divine standard, this is the Touchstone of God, wherewith He proveth His servants. None apprehendeth the meaning of these utterances except them whose hearts are assured, whose souls have found favour with God, and whose minds are detached from all else but Him. In such utterances, the literal meaning, as generally understood by the people, is not what hath been intended. Thus it is recorded: "Every knowledge hath seventy meanings, of which one only is known amongst the people. And when the Qá'im shall arise, He shall reveal unto men all that which remaineth." He also saith: "We speak one word, and by it we intend one and seventy meanings; each one of these meanings we can explain."

Bahá’u’lláh, Ki tab-i-Ian, pp. 254-256

Spoiler: Link to quotes

https://bahaiquotes.com/subject/word-god

Regards Tony

In your first spoiler the language used here is called by them as “ thoughts about thoughts” this is the universal language of all minds. As for the seventy meanings, I am sure I have figured out each of them, these thoughts are those that make sense to everyone here and then those that make sense to know one at all.

The messenger will come as a man and he will have to interpret the messages provided to him by the messengers, is this correct?

Again the most important thing I can say here when he comes, is to teach him nothing at all. He has to figure it out for himself, he will be born to understand everything about everything already not knowing anything at all.

Powessy

 

[Cino]

Who else but God could have known that Islam lasted to the year AH1260? That Muhammad and Ali, the two witnesses, Muhammad the first Trumpet blast, would be the two bodies laying in the street, because Islam broke the Covernant

Which Covenant? Which events are you referring to? Muhammad and Ali both died long before 1260 of the Islamic Era?

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

The messenger will come as a man and he will have to interpret the messages provided to him by the messengers, is this correct?

No, the Messenger is given all knowledge by God, they know the true potential of that Message, from the beginning until the end.

They explain it according to our capacity.

Regards Tony

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

Which Covenant? Which events are you referring to? Muhammad and Ali both died long before 1260 of the Islamic Era?

Long story that one is. lots of books and information on this now, I gave the really short version.

Regards Tony

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

If all the messengers tell the same story even for their time, why do we need the messenger? Does the message from the messengers evolve so we can understand the message? I am confused, 11 messengers, 11 time periods and yet we have not fully understood their message, why will this next messenger be different and our understanding of the message?

I am sorry for the questions, I just understand minds and how they teach us things. I have been on this path with them for 8 years and still find myself unraveling hundreds of thoughts all packed away within them.

The best way to understand anything from them is to know nothing at all, understand this and you will figure everything out your trying to understand.

Thank you for giving your time.

Powessy

It is a progression of revelation, one may say an evolution of the capacity of humanity.

Regards Tony

 

[RJM]

Long story that one is. lots of books and information on this now

But that's the thing, it always is. Far too many words, imo. And this is based on Baha'u'llahs take on a passage from Revelation? A person can get almost anything out of Revelation. It's like Nostradamus. It's really not convincing.

Which Covenant? Which events are you referring to? Muhammad and Ali both died long before 1260 of the Islamic Era?

It seems a straightforward question to me?

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

A person can get almost anything out of Revelation. It's like Nostradamus. It's really not convincing.

Maybe you can quote the OT passages that made it really convincing Jesus was as He claimed.

One thing I will say, there are more prophecies about the Bab and Baha'u'llah than there was about Jesus the Christ and Muhammad.

Sorry, I am busy with projects an work. Regards Tony

 

[RJM]

Maybe you can quote the OT passages that made it really convincing Jesus was as He claimed.

Sigh ...

The Old Testament? Why? The Jews do not accept Jesus was the Messiah. He was certainly not the expected Messiah. People spend their lives trying to link OT passages with Jesus as the Messiah.

One thing I will say, there are more prophecies about the Bab and Baha'u'llah than there was about Jesus the Christ and Muhammad.

You make this a declaration of absolute certainty?

 

[powessy]

It is a progression of revelation, one may say an evolution of the capacity of humanity.

Regards Tony

Again, thank you for your time.

When this all started for me, I was told many stories, I was told each of these stories held many truths and many lies. Over the first six months of this problem they showed me everything I needed to understand this problem with. What is the problem? The problem is, why man had never figured themselves out, why they never became something again and again to become something here all the time.

They dropped me down through all of the time lines, and as I see it, locked me into nothing here to figure this problem out.

After 8 long years, I can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel, I have finally solved all the timelines and figured out as you say the prism of minds by knowing each of them.

Just my two cents worth. I don’t think the messages given to the messenger were intended for you or anyone else to understand. As I walked through the timelines I had to ask questions about myself and my mind, questions that would lead time to open the doors into the next timeline. Again, interpretation of the stories messages is the most important part, this is based on you as a person of this world.

The interesting things you said is that the messages will continue until they can be solved for their time period.

A couple timelines back I was taught about “yourself isn’t yourself” this is an interesting thought as it deals with who we are and is something unknown to the messengers prior to these times now. What does it mean to say yourself isn’t yourself? It simply means we are not just ourselves to become something here we are also our mitochondria to become something here.

When your next messenger comes all I can say is that he needs to use the messages to solve the timelines by asking many questions about everything here and everything they show him there.

I hope the best for you

powessy

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

Again, thank you for your time.

When this all started for me, I was told many stories, I was told each of these stories held many truths and many lies. Over the first six months of this problem they showed me everything I needed to understand this problem with. What is the problem? The problem is, why man had never figured themselves out, why they never became something again and again to become something here all the time.

They dropped me down through all of the time lines, and as I see it, locked me into nothing here to figure this problem out.

After 8 long years, I can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel, I have finally solved all the timelines and figured out as you say the prism of minds by knowing each of them.

Just my two cents worth. I don’t think the messages given to the messenger were intended for you or anyone else to understand. As I walked through the timelines I had to ask questions about myself and my mind, questions that would lead time to open the doors into the next timeline. Again, interpretation of the stories messages is the most important part, this is based on you as a person of this world.

The interesting things you said is that the messages will continue until they can be solved for their time period.

A couple timelines back I was taught about “yourself isn’t yourself” this is an interesting thought as it deals with who we are and is something unknown to the messengers prior to these times now. What does it mean to say yourself isn’t yourself? It simply means we are not just ourselves to become something here we are also our mitochondria to become something here.

When your next messenger comes all I can say is that he needs to use the messages to solve the timelines by asking many questions about everything here and everything they show him there.

I hope the best for you

powessy

All the best Powessy. Stay safe, stay happy and all the best in all the worlds of God.

Regards Tony

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

Which Covenant? Which events are you referring to? Muhammad and Ali both died long before 1260 of the Islamic Era?

It seems a straightforward question to me?

You make this a declaration of absolute certainty?

Cino. I will give a quick personal very short summary, my own thoughts.

The two witnesses in Revelation are Muhammad and Ali. Ali was verbally pronounced as the successor to Muhammad, Muhammad attempted to get this recorded on his deathbed but was prevented in doing so. After Muhammad passed the elder beleivers took control, saying Ali was too young. From that moment on, the Covenant was broken and Islam was destined to split, way to much to tell.

This is why the Bible talks about the dead bodies laying in the street for 1260 years, that Islam would never reach its full God given potential. Ali did get leadership at one time, but was assassinated. "Ali ibn Abi Talib, the fourth Rashidun Caliph and first Shia Imam, was assassinated on 26 January 661". The year 666 is reference to the Islam that rose from the Breaking of the Covernant. Islam never learned true submission. (Note that both the Bab and Baha'u'llah were of the Shia heritage.)

This is a big topic, it ties into us learning from all these past errors of judgement.

RJM. Yes, I see there is absolute certainty as to who the Bab and Baha'u'llah are and that they are foretold in all the worlds scriptures. All Messengers have promised the day we live in.

Baha'u'llah has told us what the rejection of this Message will bring upon humanity, with an uncanny unfoldment of those predictions.

That is a sign the Bible gives us, that a Prophet will give accurate prophecy. Yet I hear people say, that Prophecy is to vague. Just as a sample, here is what was written, that will happen.

"Know thou that hardship and privation shall increase day by day, and the people shall thereby be afflicted. The doors of joy and happiness shall be closed on all sides, and terrible wars shall occur. Frustration and despair shall encompass the people until they are forced to turn to the One True God. Then will the light of most joyful tidings so illumine the horizons that the cry of 'Yá Bahá’u’l Bahá' will be raised from every direction. This shall come to pass."

‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Lights of Guidance, p. 130

There is no doubt, this will come to pass and we have been told the retributive calamities we bring upon ourselves will multiply, wave upon wave, there will be no peace unless and until unity is firmly established and that unity cannot happen as long as the counsels of God go on unheeded.

Lots to talk about. If you are happy we can continue the discussions.

Regards Tony

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

Again, thank you for your time.

When this all started for me, I was told many stories, I was told each of these stories held many truths and many lies. Over the first six months of this problem they showed me everything I needed to understand this problem with. What is the problem? The problem is, why man had never figured themselves out, why they never became something again and again to become something here all the time.

They dropped me down through all of the time lines, and as I see it, locked me into nothing here to figure this problem out.

After 8 long years, I can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel, I have finally solved all the timelines and figured out as you say the prism of minds by knowing each of them.

Just my two cents worth. I don’t think the messages given to the messenger were intended for you or anyone else to understand. As I walked through the timelines I had to ask questions about myself and my mind, questions that would lead time to open the doors into the next timeline. Again, interpretation of the stories messages is the most important part, this is based on you as a person of this world.

The interesting things you said is that the messages will continue until they can be solved for their time period.

A couple timelines back I was taught about “yourself isn’t yourself” this is an interesting thought as it deals with who we are and is something unknown to the messengers prior to these times now. What does it mean to say yourself isn’t yourself? It simply means we are not just ourselves to become something here we are also our mitochondria to become something here.

When your next messenger comes all I can say is that he needs to use the messages to solve the timelines by asking many questions about everything here and everything they show him there.

I hope the best for you

powessy

I will add I see in what you say many reflections of what I have found in the Baha'i Writings, about our own selves. There are many traditions also about our true selves.

This life is indeed an illusion, it is one of uncountable matrixes.

I would offer, the only way I see you can get true clarity of thought, is to channel your thoughs from the Source of our being. I would offer one needs to connect your thoughts with what Baha'u'llah has written.

This is only my reflection of what you say, as I see neither you nor I, nor any human can have any meaningful answers unless we do.

Peace be with you always. Regards Tony

 

[RJM]

Removed for now

 

[Cino]

Cino. I will give a quick personal very short summary, my own thoughts.

Thanks! This really helped me understand your faith better.

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

I think a person is quite capable of answering direct questions directly -- unless that person is a politician responsible to some sort of constituency. Are we political spokesman trying to get our religions elected?

RJM The issue is, that to answer some questions, one has to answer in great detail.

Details that many do not really want to hear, or that to do justice to the answer, one must put some time and thought into it.

Regards Tony

 

[RJM]

@Tone Bristow-Stagg
Why does it matter so much that others subscribe to your own belief paradigm?