World events are preparing us for peace.

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

Bahais? If that happens I'll find a rock big enough for self, wifey and little dachshunds and get under it.
At present I'm reading about terrible things that are happening in Iran, while Bahai moans about convicted Bahais having jail sentences reduced and being house gated.

Anyway, a Bahai world would be a rather frightening place, I think.

I personally see that the Baha'i and other groups, have made known to the world, for many years, that there are human right issues that need to be addressed. The UN has supported those submissions and those Resolutions support all the oppressed, not just the Baha'i.

That people are finally seeing what it is like, is a result of the years of effort, many have put into making this known through as many channels as possible.

Regards Tony

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

Anyway, a Bahai world would be a rather frightening place, I think.

I see we will not be in this world to be part of that OB. I can offer you will one day we all become aware of the possibilities that have escaped us.

Regards Tony

 

[Aupmanyav]

There is nothing wrong with the world. It was always like that. Fighting to save territory, enlarge territory, and survive. It will continue to do so in spite of all prophets / sons / messengers / manifestations / mahdis.
Yeah, trying to better self, leaving falsehood is always good. Don't struggle. Accept things as they are, Dao, Rit (ऋत्). Struggle brings unhappiness. My best wishes to you.

That people are finally seeing what it is like, is a result of the years of effort, many have l put into making this known through as many channels as possible.

So, it is all happening because of your efforts. Oh, the Bahaollah like ego!

 

[badger]

I personally see that the Baha'i and other groups, have made known to the world, for many years, that there are human right issues that need to be addressed. The UN has supported those submissions and those Resolutions support all the oppressed, not just the Baha'i.

That people are finally seeing what it is like, is a result of the years of effort, many have l put into making this known through as many channels as possible.

Regards Tony

Hello Tony......... I often wish that we might share some common interest, idea or opinion. I'd like that.
But Bahai......

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

Hello Tony......... I often wish that we might share some common interest, idea or opinion. I'd like that.
But Bahai......

Such is this life OB, more than likely we have things we could share. In the future we may find what that is. Our stubborn personalities would be something we share.

Regards Tony

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

So, it is all happening because of your efforts. Oh, the Bahaollah like ego!

You obviously decided to miss the 'Many', which includes all other groups, not only Baha'i.

"That people are finally seeing what it is like, is a result of the years of effort, many have put into making this known through as many channels as possible.

Regards Tony

 

[Aupmanyav]

The many are also like you people. Just as you have your 'peace' theme, evangelist Christians have their 'love' theme, and Muslims have their 'submission' theme. None different.

 

[RJM]

I'm reading about terrible things that are happening in Iran, while Bahai moans about convicted Bahais having jail sentences reduced and being house gated.

Also about their houses being bulldozed and the ruins daubed with Death to Baha'i. Also about being denied higher education, etc? Does the fact that other minorities are also unfairly treated in Iran minimize what is happening to Bahai's people there?

Do you think people convicted for contrived crimes of sedition and espionage being sentenced to ankle bracelets that deny them the ability to work and earn a living, rather than a year in jail, makes it alright?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Are Bahais the only persecuted people in the world? Look at Hindus in UK, Pakistan, Bangladesh and even in Indian Kashmir. There are none now in Afghanistan. We do not make a fuss about it. We have many Hindu and Sikhs who came to India after the revolution.

Iran is a religious state, Islamic Republic of Iran with the majority following Shi Islam. And Bahais views are in direct conflict with their views. They were Muslims and abandoned Islam. This is apostasy. Death alone is their punishment. So, they should actually be thankful that they are alive.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/811/why-death-is-the-punishment-for-apostasy

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

Are Bahais the only persecuted people in the world? Look at Hindus in UK, Pakistan, Bangladesh and even in Indian Kashmir. There are none now in Afghanistan. We do not make a fuss about it.

Peace will happen when we start to help all those that are persecuted and bring to account all those that make war.

Regards Tony

 

[badger]

Also about their houses being bulldozed and the ruins daubed with Death to Baha'i. Also about being denied higher education, etc? Does the fact that other minorities are also unfairly treated in Iran minimize what is happening to Bahai's people there?

It is reported that those new buildings went up without proper planning permission and in what we here call green belt.
Since we have been told be Bahá'ís here that Iran has been extra careful with Bahá'ís during these last fifteen years, this needs to be considered.

Do you think people convicted for contrived crimes of sedition and espionage being sentenced to ankle bracelets that deny them the ability to work and earn a living, rather than a year in jail, makes it alright?

Contrived crimes?
You know that?
Your ability to gather such obvious truth amazes me .....
I seriously wonder whether helping Israel by gathering info from within Iran might not be true. But if you know better.....

 

[badger]

Peace will happen when we start to help all those that are persecuted and bring to account all those that make war.

Regards Tony

OK, it in that case we need to support all initiatives that further peace and justice, and Baha'i needs to support any all such political moves......but I don't think it will.

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

It is reported that those new buildings went up without proper planning permission and in what we here call green belt.

Of course OB, those reports would have absolutely no intention to report fake news.

You will note you have not heard from one of our posters. I can not say much more than that.

Regards Tony

 

[Cino]

That's the problem for the UN, governments just discarding the agreed rules and procedures when it suits them.

Indeed.

There are tons of problems with the UN. But we have it, and there never was something like it before, not as long-lived at least. And there are also success stories.

 

[RJM]

OK, it in that case we need to support all initiatives that further peace and justice, and Baha'i needs to support any all such political moves......but I don't think it will.

Of course OB, those reports would have absolutely no intention to report fake news.

You will note you have not heard from one of our posters. I can not say much more than that.

Regards Tony

It was exactly like the that in apartheid South Africa: the establishment apologists making out nothing was going on: demolishing homes in 'squatter camps' imprisonment and harrasment of those who spoke. It's the way authoritarian governments work

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

OK, it in that case we need to support all initiatives that further peace and justice,

Then one can help with this OP, help make people aware of what is required for the Nations to embrace peace.

Regards Tony

 

[badger]

Of course OB, those reports would have absolutely no intention to report fake news.

Only enemy countries tell lies, and all friendly countries tell truth, Tony.......that's obvious.
We were all worried here about a dual nationality woman convicted in Iran of spying, she was jailed for about five years. She was released recently in a deal where the UK gave back hundreds of millions of pounds to Iran which it had taken in exchange for weapons but reneged on the deal and kept the money! You couldn't make it up, could you..... Western countries are so honest, Tony.

You will note you have not heard from one of our posters. I can not say much more than that.

Regards Tony

Posters come and go.
People living in countries under theocratic rule must must must abide by the laws in the lands which they live within.
Mates of mine have lived in such countries and they are very clear about that.

 

[badger]

Then one can help with this OP, help make people aware of what is required for the Nations to embrace peace.

Regards Tony

I've already posted about countries that have bust UN agreements and consequences. One member we acknowledged what I wrote.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Peace will happen when we start to help all those that are persecuted and bring to account all those that make war.

Dream on, Tony.

 

[RJM]

People living in countries under theocratic rule must must must abide by the laws in the lands which they live within.

But just being Baha'i makes a person unwanted. They are labelled as a cult and deviant. Iran wants them out