There is no justice if atheism is true

muhammad_isa said:
What's your point?
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You didn't get that?
I wrote:- So let's look at a person who takes their religion seriously, and for example believes that unbelievers can die .
..and you didn't get the point.

Oh well..........
 
muhammad_isa said:
Yes. It is not possible to escape eventual justice if God exists.
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If, Muhammad...... IF.

Could you enlarge on 'Eventual Justice'?
What crimes with have to answer to 'Justice' in such a situation?
Polygamy?
Polyamory?
Pre-marital sex?
A lady who followed fashion?
A shoplifter?
 
badger said:
Could you enlarge on 'Eventual Justice'?
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Divine justice is the Fairest of all.
It encompasses all.

I don't know what will happen to you or I after death.
We ask Almighty God to forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them that trespass against us.

We just don't know.
Major sins, such as murder and adultery require serious repentance.
Almighty God knows best.
 
wil said:
Mayhaps then you can explain why you are so ready to tell us it is divine and just... if you don't know?
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..because Almighty God is Holy .. pure.

..either a person believes in a higher authority, that is entirely just, or they don't.
Those who believe, take moral guidance from scripture.
They have hope in God's Mercy, and ask for forgiveness.

I don't know what will happen to anybody, as we are all guilty .. we are all sinners.
We all depend on God's mercy.
 
muhammad_isa said:
Divine justice is the Fairest of all.
It encompasses all.

I don't know what will happen to you or I after death.
We ask Almighty God to forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them that trespass against us.

We just don't know.
Major sins, such as murder and adultery require serious repentance.
Almighty God knows best.
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Murder and adultery............. serious repentance?

.....hundreds of laws overlooked, but adultery....... That's right up there with murder?

Atheists and non-theists didn't really need to question this idea....... we just needed to leave it in your hands, Muhammad.
 
badger said:
Murder and adultery............. serious repentance?

.....hundreds of laws overlooked, but adultery....... That's right up there with murder?

Atheists and non-theists didn't really need to question this idea....... we just needed to leave it in your hands, Muhammad.
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You say you support the laws of Moses? Adultery is punished by death in most tribal societies. It is regarded as very serious. It causes adulteration between families, to whom sons are regarded as most important, and brings other evils including sexual diseases
 
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badger said:
.....hundreds of laws overlooked..
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I didn't say that..
Any deed that we have serious doubts about, is likely to be a sin.
We all have a conscience.

There are many major sins, and the greatest of all is denying sin itself, by discarding the foundation of faith.
eg. believing that the ten commandments are not of Divine origin

..without the shema [belief in God and His authority], the concept of sin ceases to exist.
It becomes just another man-made idea of moral righteousness.
 
muhammad_isa said:
I didn't say that..
Any deed that we have serious doubts about, is likely to be a sin.
We all have a conscience.

There are many major sins, and the greatest of all is denying sin itself, by discarding the foundation of faith.
eg. believing that the ten commandments are not of Divine origin

..without the shema [belief in God and His authority], the concept of sin ceases to exist.
It becomes just another man-made idea of moral righteousness.
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But.......adultery, Muhammad, up there with murder......!!
How about your God's divine justice for same sex marriages?

Sorry, but the more people who discard such beliefs, then the better the world, imo.
 
badger said:
Sorry, but the more people who discard such beliefs, then the better the world, imo.
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Well, that's what it's all about.
You think that the world will be a better place.
You've decided to reject God, and think you know better .. think that it is all deceit or illusion.

I can't do that. I believe it is true. It is not about what I might like or dislike.
 
muhammad_isa said:
Well, that's what it's all about.
You think that the world will be a better place.
.... and think you know better ....
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Back at you, Muhammad.

And slavery.....tell me more about slavery being back then... whilst you cling to OT laws which were needed...back then.

This is all just making stuff up as required, imo. Strange thing is, I worked with lots of young Muslims before, and all they wanted was a bit of street cred, a decent motor, fashion rig out and a smart chic.
So.......?
 
People's beliefs are dear to them. We should not be insulting people for being believers on this website. Regardless of the particular forum. It's got to be a balance. There are other websites for that. Aggressive anti-theists should tone it down if they want to belong here. Just my own thoughts

I personally believe this thread has done it's course and should be closed now ...
 
wil said:
Again, you think that is not true for every believer and non believer? That is why it is called belief
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On the side ....... I seem to remember that Muslims have automatic entry to heaven, together with their parents, if they become Hafiz and can reciite the Quran by heart .
I wonder if the parents of Hafiz can get off Scot free for bad actions?

Cases of parents beating their children until death for not being able to remember passages have occurred in the UK.
 
muhammad_isa said:
We all depend on God's mercy.
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I don't, depend on it, I believe G!d to be the evolving mathematical
Scientific principle that will make us nod our heads and say "Oh, wow, that makes sense" because so far most religious belief looks like Swiss cheese under any sort of microscope with a bunch of apologists trying to fill the holes, justify the confusion and prove it true to their selves, and then of course the proselytizers using peer pressure like presented in this thread of a hell or upcoming imaginary judgement.
 
RJM said:
People's beliefs are dear to them. We should not be insulting people for being believers on this website. Regardless of the particular forum. It's got to be a balance. There are other websites for that. Aggressive anti-theists should tone it down if they want to belong here. Just my own thoughts

I personally believe this thread has done it's course and should be closed now ...
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The only insult that I have read on this thread is a post by you, throwing good friends of mine in my face.
 
RJM said:
Aggressive anti-theists should tone it down if they want to belong here. Just my own thoughts

I personally believe this thread has done it's course and should be closed now ...
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Aggressive antithesis are just responding to aggressive anti atheists in an aggressive anti atheist thread.

The number of posts per day indicate that this conversation is not concluded
 
It is the tone of this thread. This is an interfaith website. We should not be shouting down people for believing in God. For their belief in God. There are other sites for that sort of anti-theism. We don't want to be like that.

Said my bit ...
 
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