Was Neanderthal society patriarchal?

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"But Skov and his colleagues were eventually able to extract the genetic codes of 13 Neanderthals living in the cave, including several who were related: A father and his teenage daughter, as well as a boy around the age of 10 who was related to a woman in the cave. (That "second-degree" relationship is a little more fuzzy, Skov says: "They could for instance be cousins, they could be grandparent/grandchild, they could be aunt/nephew, all those kinds of things.").

Skov and his colleagues were able to determine that the women were more likely to have come from outside the group. In other words, Neanderthal society may have been organized in a way where women moved to be with the family of the men."
Genetic sequencing gives us the first-ever look at a Neanderthal clan
 
Aupmanyav said:
Neanderthal society may have been organized in a way where women moved to be with the family of the men."
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Isn't that just the basic way? Clans form around the dominant male. Weak clans lose their women to stronger ones?
 
There are matrilineal animal societies. Wolves and meerkats group around a dominant female. But baboons and lions are led by a dominant male? Probably ape groups are patrilineal ?
 
RJM said:
Isn't that just the basic way? Clans form around the dominant male. Weak clans lose their women to stronger ones?
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A human clan does not contain just one dominant male. Other males also have their uses and needs.
 
Aupmanyav said:
A human clan does not contain just one dominant male. Other males also have their uses and needs.
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This is true of gorillas, elephants and other species too. Animals are concerned mostly with food supply. They form groups for safety in numbers from predators. There is a dominant male, whose authority is constantly challenged by younger males in the group, and also by males from outside the group, wanting access to the group's territory. The females go with the group because it protects them and their young.

"It's the first time that Neanderthal relatives have been sequenced side-by-side. Skov says that the DNA of the individuals living in the cave also provides some clues about how the society might have been organized. By looking at mitochondrial DNA, which is only passed along by females, and Y chromosomes, which come from males, Skov and his colleagues were able to determine that the women were more likely to have come from outside the group. In other words, Neanderthal society may have been organized in a way where women moved to be with the family of the men."
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Genetic sequencing gives us the first-ever look at a Neanderthal clan

"You know, this image of Neanderthals being brutes, is not quite accurate," says paleogenticist Laurits Skov. "The more we learn about them, the more like humans they appear to be."
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However, I don't know much about this stuff …
 
Aussie Thoughts once mentioned Australian Aboriginal society being patriarchal in essence, but matriarchal in practice. According to him, men call the shots, but more often than not at the direction of female clan members.

The way he used to talk about his Nana Gymea, (an elderly Aboriginal woman), she apparently had unlimited veto power over all!
 
We had matriarchal societies in some parts of India.
However, even in a patriarchal society, women call the shots. Do you agree with that or not? :D
At least that is the case in my family, and my wife is the leader.
 
Well, put it this way. In our household I'm the decision maker. That is, the wife let's me know what she wants and I get to decide how to make that happen! 😁

Seriously though, we've been happily married 33 years now and counting. We accept each other for who we are, quirks and all. Most things are indeed left up to me, but hardly any decision is made without the other's input or at least considering their feelings in the matter.
 
Aupmanyav said:
"But Skov and his colleagues were eventually able to extract the genetic codes of 13 Neanderthals living in the cave, including several who were related: A father and his teenage daughter, as well as a boy around the age of 10 who was related to a woman in the cave. (That "second-degree" relationship is a little more fuzzy, Skov says: "They could for instance be cousins, they could be grandparent/grandchild, they could be aunt/nephew, all those kinds of things.").

Skov and his colleagues were able to determine that the women were more likely to have come from outside the group. In other words, Neanderthal society may have been organized in a way where women moved to be with the family of the men."
Genetic sequencing gives us the first-ever look at a Neanderthal clan
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Hi Aup..... Very interesting.......
Male outsiders would have been treated with extreme caution, imo. But Female outsiders would be valuable. The bible reports that the Israelites gathered virgin female outsiders in to their families, and I expect that Neanderthals might have done so as well.
 
Des that show a relationship between the Neanderthals and Israelites? :D
Well, in a serious vein, women were useful in many ways including gathering food or in agriculture.
 
Aupmanyav said:
Des that show a relationship between the Neanderthals and Israelites? :D
Well, in a serious vein, women were useful in many ways including gathering food or in agriculture.
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Oh..... I hope nobody thinks that comment of mine was a veiled insult or anything! :)
Women were most useful for producing offspring.
The more offspring so the stronger the community, and with the best change of producing various strengths.

Researchers have found Neanderthal dna in humans, or so the TV program claimed which I watched, and that suggests that the two species were very closely associated. So they live on within humanity, I suppose.
They made more simple jewelry items, possibly copied from human examples.
 
It is not. I said it just in fun and that is why I put a smiley after that.
I hope people understand. Jews and Israel are friends to India, it has been so since the time of King Solomon.
Actually nearly all humans may have some Neanderthal or Denisovan DNA.
Without women, no evolution. :)
 
Namaste Jesus said:
Aussie Thoughts once mentioned Australian Aboriginal society being patriarchal in essence, but matriarchal in practice. According to him, men call the shots, but more often than not at the direction of female clan members.
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I was chatting with Aussie's daughter in law the other night, she's a rather sweet young lady of Aboriginal decent and she said something both amusing and profound. At least in my way of thinking. Anyway, I decided to ask her about what her late father in law had said, regarding Aboriginal society. She thought about for a while, then told me that in their culture men were like an instrument of the state, tasked with protecting, providing for and leading the group. So then I asked her about the role of Aboriginal women. She says, "We're the state!" 😁
 
In protestant churches there are reverend and preachers, but the women run the church, often men are figurehead, they sllow us the title, while they control the purse strings and reigns
 
Aupmanyav said:
We had matriarchal societies in some parts of India.
However, even in a patriarchal society, women call the shots. Do you agree with that or not? :D
At least that is the case in my family, and my wife is the leader.
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Is my wife listening?

...no?...good!

Of course I call the shots...except when I get overruled.
 
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